HWC NORML Lee Otts

We're mad and we're loud All right, it's another day. It's another dollar and it's another episode of the heavyweight chumps So you got me that's Maddox. You got him. That's thunder cookies.

Yeah, and today Well today we're gonna do a little bit of higher education emphasis on higher while we talk to the executive director of normal Memphis normal being the national organization for the reform of marijuana laws That's right folks. We're going there because we are going green ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the show for the first time Mr. Lee Otse Lee.

How you doing now? I'm doing great. Thank you guys for having me. I'm glad it could be on man I'm absolutely glad to have to reach out to you guys and to be able to do something especially with hemp fest this year with It being the first Yeah, yeah, tell me how the idea for hemp fest for you guys came about well I assumed the director position.

I was voted in two years ago So I started doing like a 420 thing, you know We just kind of started off at something smaller over in park because over in park used to be the place to be a Memphis on 420, you know back in the 90s and everything like that, you know, we were in my early 2000s, but yeah Yeah, that was the place to be then you know, then you know the heavy policing started rolling in and then you know Slowly surely but it died But you know that no it's regaining its popularity and everything like that since I've been doing it the past Two years that they've just fallen on weekdays as I was leaving last year or last year. Well, yeah Well last 420 which was a week day. I was like well, I'm over here next year might as well go ahead and put it on the calendar It was a Saturday. Oh, well, it's going to be a little bigger than usual and It just kind of happened You know more and more people started, you know, one of the interests So we just figured out how to you know how to rent out the park and over in park Got with the city of Memphis before they even talked to us nature to see would be okay with it Based on our past history of not having any episodes or anything like that in the past few years We've been there they agreed so ate the vinny and start signing up Vendors and we're getting speakers and musicians, so it should be a pretty good time.

Well, we are definitely looking forward to it Um, this will be our first real now the question I've got though is is a rain or shine event? Well, oh, yeah, yeah, it's a rain or shine. It's outdoors. Um, so I mean we are at the mercy of weather That's the bad thing, but you know the last few years it really hasn't been that bad.

So fingers crossed rolling into it Let's hope. Yeah, um now with And I've always wanted to ask somebody and you are as close to the expert that I'm gonna get on the subject What is the purpose of 420 and why is it so recognized in that community? You know there's so many like myths or anything, but you know, it apparently used to be just like a police code that we used for marijuana Um, and then it just kind of got out from there. Um, don't know where Just kind of it's just one of those magical numbers.

I guess and then it just you know and then it became part of the culture and you know Everything associated with it. You mean even our congress, you know, they're they're bills. You know How's bill is coming up now is how's bill 420? Yeah, they're like alcohol, you know, tell the truth.

So even you know they've been waiting they have been waiting to do that just until they got to that number They actually reserved it for it, you know, so yeah And so the first time that they've done something like that, you know, it's you know, so there are other 420 bills that have been brought out And you know various different states and you know national legislation that you know, just like you know, you know, a nod to the culture I guess well with this with this house bill up now What do you think is going to become of that? What do you think the future is going to hold for? Oh, god, you know that that honestly that one is very You know, it's there's enough momentum and you know president Trump What whether he loves him or hate him he usually and does what he's going to say what he says he's going to do You know, he promised big, you know, marijuana reform, you know after the midterms So, you know, maybe this is it you know, he's always been respected. No respect He's always said with state rights, you know, he's always you know, been on the you know supported the state rights and everything like that Now we have sections out of the way, uh, mainly the Heat sessions out of Texas.

He was one stopping a lot of federal bills It wasn't just us you know, he was a pain inside got a lot of a lot of the news headlines It was really key sessions at the house of me and sub committee that was out of kill of bills before you get hurt More pretending for being hurt and he lost reelection in Texas and that's a good thing folks. That's a great thing Um, let's face it the decriminalization of marijuana based on what i've discovered in just doing the research for this interview Normal's been around since 1970. Yep. We are the longest running uh, marijuana activist group continuously running group Yep, I mean you're talking about being around in the 1970s fighting for the decriminalization of something that in 1970 hadn't been a criminal Substance very long well, they got criminalized in the 1930s think 1938.

No, I had the after 38 I'm just a marijuana tax act. I have a sheriff actually Do you have to pay? marijuana tax act of 1937 That's when it first started becoming illegal And then of course being in the 50s and 60s and especially in the 60s You saw it coming around free is almost like the law enforcement judge was not enforcing what was already on the books Right, you know, well, you know, the uh, which are making declare the war on drugs and everything like that and started targeting You know, it in the way some of his, um, even from the words of some of his administration, you know It was basically the target hippies and minorities so vocal opponents to his uh presidency, you know and cannabis You know, pro-vision has always had you know Some racist roots of propaganda and everything like that. Um since the hairy j-ans linger times well, let's talk about the Especially with normal let's talk about specifically the Memphis chapter you guys Came came about from a chapter that was on campus at the university of Memphis.

Correct? Correct. Right. Well, there's always been sort of like A loosely formed of Memphis group, I guess That's kind of been like passed on, you know, so on and so on But in the last two years we've gotten our uh, or 501c3, um, you know registered as a 501c non-profit, daughter state, non-product charge So, you know, we just legitimize as an organization and we're actually the only like officially active one in the state Nice.

Now how did you become involved with normal? If you don't have 12, I had a fall and I cracked eight vertebrae. I did two and a half years of traditional medication Um, I was on 14 different pills at once Different prescriptions, uh, it sucks. Um, you know, I was at years of physical therapy, you know, going to the doctors and you know, it's not working.

I was going to give you more kills, you know So I was just too drunk to be in the house. Um, then you know, I started researching. I think well, there's got to be something Um, started trying cannabis illegally. Um Then, you know, next thing you know, it's it's it's I started crying the first time I used it on which there was a voice of pain I was just fine with gone in my head just a little bit of freedom and peace And then slowly but surely, you know, the physical, you know, the doctors, uh, not the doctor's description of the amount those numbers start declining.

I'm having to take less pills and you know, less Now I'm not saying it's a cure. All I still have to take traditional medications and you know, still do physical therapy and still have, you know, have to throw it ever so often but it dramatically decreased often amount of medications I was having to take and and improve the quality of life and you know, if So I just started speaking out about it and that's how it kind of just led to normal. I mean, you know, I just didn't stop it. It's kept going.

It's like, well, how did I do this? You just down normal. I was like, well, it's kind of just an online group at the time. So I, you know, when I started coming around, you know, I made sure we tightened up got our by-law sign got a chat, you know, board and place.

I started off as a communications director at that time. And then moved out and after, you know, an amount of under this communications director, I actually moved to the executive director position two years ago. And then we got a final one, two, three and And done two years of active meetings and under my time we've done meetings from hydroponics classes, edibles classes, how it will become the law, You know, how to write your legislator. Of course, we've done the 420 things we had holiday events, our annual fundraisers.

So, you know, we just have monthly events to basically bring the community together. That's always a plus. I mean, you don't see, I wish we saw that more here in Mississippi, especially given, you know, that the University of Mississippi is one of the The only place that you can federally grow marijuana cannabis legally. And I can't go out and pick some up.

What the hell is going on with that? Yeah, yeah, well, apparently from one of her, you want to know that stuff anyway, it's not the best. Oh, damn really? I'm always great.

You know, I seen in a song, a picture they said it was low quality and I was like, well, you know, the government's trying to suppress research so then it would seem like they would send low quality stuff out. Because, you know, when they sign up for a federal research study to try to study marijuana after you then send them out of bureaucracy. If you can finally get through it and you're allowed to have something that comes from oldness. So, these are not all some samples and, you know, people apparently like maps or something.

There's a psychoactive study group. Like one of their head researchers quit because of the quality of the material that was being given. Damn, man. No body type stream.

Oh, well, good. You know, that's something you see off the internet. You're like, well, you know, actually that kind of doesn't make sense. Why would they want to send out like the best samples or, you know, so you can get all your research done properly and so, you know, a lot of the trends, the trimmings and stuff like that.

And send them to the Mexican dirt weed. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, come on, co-host.

You've been awful to. You've been too quiet. I know you've smoked Mexican dirt weed. I'm learning.

Yeah, he goes more for the edibles. Yeah. You're on the lawn. Lots easier.

That too. But now, okay, since we're going to discuss edibles at somewhere anyway, we might as well go there. I know you are a fan yourself, Devin. Yeah.

Now, what is the difference in the edibles consumption based against someone that would smoke it in a traditional fashion? I've heard there's a difference in the way that your body will process it and that the high is different, that there's a different something goes to the cycle. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you know, it's a different way of ingestion.

It affects your body differently because it's a catalyzed a little bit differently. And, you know, I guess that will create more of a body experience, honestly. Just be careful with them too. Couldn't tell because I was mixing them in the vape.

Well, that could have been an event. You're really getting close. Yeah, I guess you shouldn't do both at once. But I got it on there.

But now the edibles to me, and we luckily, we got a batch because I've heard a lot of people talk about edibles and say they just absolutely taste disgusting. We got a whole of some that actually tasted like peach gummy bears. Yeah. And they just do the damn thing.

Let's just put it that way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I guess, you know, depending on where, how it was made and everything like that.

So, you know, you know, one batch might not have been really good, you know, and may have tasted that, you know. So, you know, there are different companies that make different products and some are a little bit more reputable than will give you some of the active ingredients and some might not be as reputable. And you might not have as many active ingredients. So, you know, that's a thing about the care, you know, marijuana industry, you know, unless they're, you know, legally sourced, then, you know, they have labs and everything like that, testing the products.

Right. Now, as we're on the subject of edibles, we have a friend of the show that's been going through some health issues and recently started using the CBD gummies to help her deal with nausea and pain as a result of her procedures. It seems like we're seeing a lot more of the edible CBD and a lot more CBD oil merchandise in vape shops and pretty much all around us in the gummies and gas stations. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, you know, it's the new gold rush. They're popping up everywhere. And you definitely need to be terrible because you really do not know where some of those gas based on products or smoke shop products are coming from.

You know, they're, I was just reading not too long ago, probably today or yesterday about them, you know, finding some spice like material and the CBD in the house. I don't have to have any of the spices for, you know, what he's talking about. So they're synthetic. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's like chemicals. You know, it's really bad for you.

Someone told me at one time it was essentially people were basically smoking. What was the term? Pope, or for spice to a degree as to how that stuff probably. I honestly, I've never even seen this stuff.

I it's never been something I ever wanted to walk into. I'm trying to go. Hey, I'm good. I've seen it and it doesn't look enticing.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not even the cannabis plant. It's some other plant which way the chemicals to give you that sort of effect.

Yeah. Yeah. And because, you know, if you change in the chemical cursors, so, so, but you know, we keep it legal because, you know, they're like, oh, well, that's dangerous. That should be legal.

So, you know, let's keep it up. I'm trying to try to look, I'm a little bit, you know, kind of like, I can, you know, that's something different. That's not illegal, but still just a thing. There are more.

Well, and it seems like the spice didn't have much of a shelf life because as soon as it hit, you started seeing a major crack down on it. Yeah, probably you should have though. I mean, yeah, but you mean, you know, that's why you just got to be careful and know what your product and where you're getting your product. You know, there's a lot of CBD home-hint farmers, especially Tennessee that's been doing it since we've had the hemp program since 2015.

You know, so there's quite a few of our hemp farmers that, even though they're not required to do batch testing, but actively do batch testing, you know, I would definitely, if you're going to get CBD, you find a company that does testing, but you can see their latest lab results and make sure they're not like month away, you know, make sure they're pretty recent. That's good to know, especially with it. Like me, that Vapes and I have, I do buy the CBD and mix it with mine on occasion. But I'm buying the one I'm buying is $120 a bottle, it better be decent.

You would hope so. Yeah, no kidding, but, but you know, the CBD does mellow you out. It helps. And that's what most people will look at this and all they think about with medicinal, especially decriminalization from medicinal purposes.

A lot of people look at marijuana and say, everybody just wants to decriminalize it because they want to get high. They don't see the medical and health benefits of the plant itself. Well, you don't want, well, because there's been decades of brainwashing to start with. And so you don't see it for experience.

And so you know someone that's been through it or something, you know, once you realize you know, so many of your life that's been using it and it works, you're like, oh, so they're not really a bad. You know, they're not really a bad person, but they use this devil lettuce to help them. You know, maybe I should reconsider this. And then once you start looking into the history and seeing all the stuff that cannabis can actually do, you know, not only medicinal, but you know, if you make oil, it can make alcohol, it can make ropes, it can make fiber, it can make a cordage.

I mean, it can do so much. I mean, I have a $19 $14 $10 bill with the back of a empire on the back of it to a part of us. It used to be a mandatory grill. It was only illegal because it do so much good.

You know, such a versatile crop. Especially in a time now when our agricultural levels in this country are not where they need to be as far as... Oh, absolutely. I mean, this could be...

this would help farmers and it doesn't, you know, the crop that's easy to grow grows quickly. So they can turn it over multiple times growing season. It doesn't require a lot of pesticides to grow, which are the big things. You know, so it's safe, easy, and it can bear in birth to the kind of crop.

And industrial hemp cannot get you high. So it's a different type of, you know, different from the stuff you smell. And that's what people don't understand when they hear about the hemp farming, is they think strictly about the pot farming aspect of it. There's enough documentary footage out there.

If you want to watch about the medicinal or the decriminalization in Colorado or California or anywhere like that, you can find anything about the ones that are actually growing the product to sell for... to... to... what do they call them?

Dispensaries. Yeah. I mean, you know, people, you know, CBD is a great, a great, you know, cannabinoid, but, you know, there's 113 other cannabinoids that's been discovered so far. Well, notice the 113 total numbers.

You know, and CBD and THC are just two more popular ones. But yes, CBD and... it's going to be a great... no.

Now that it's legal, I mean, it'll help Mississippi farmers too. You know? Well, I mean, you look at how many farmers have been taking it on the... just been taking it on the chin because of the devalues of the crops at the end of the growing season.

Yeah. And you think that it wouldn't cost them that much to change over to do hemp farming or if they did decriminalize marijuana to have a grow operation? Well, yeah. Now, you know, you got to...

you can take into consideration. There are going to be considerable startup costs a lot more than switching crops because you're having a... ... build this entire new industry, you know, where we're having to build, you know, decortifiers and, you know, things that make the paper and the fibers and all that, still having to be made and processed.

And we still have a lot of stuff to catch up with. And it's all stuff that we would already have on hand if they hadn't stupidly criminalized this shit years ago. Correct. Absolutely.

I mean, you look at the deforestation that's going on for years now to make paper product. And you look at how much could have been saved in doing that strictly using a hemp-based paper. Yeah. Or hemp-based plastics.

I mean, there's so many positives that you can be taking out of this one plant that everybody sees the OEA gets you high, but they don't look at it from the point of... That's what, you know, decades and decades of propaganda, you know, can do it. And it's funny that you mentioned propaganda just the other day going through and looking, trying to find something to watch on Amazon. And one of the new releases on Amazon was Reefer Madness.

And I'm sitting there going, I saw this like 20 years ago, and I hadn't seen it since. And I forgot how stupid. You talked about a piece of propaganda film. There's never been a better piece made.

Right. I mean, I have a poster of the Reefer Madness that we take to all our little beers and everything. Yeah, it's a classic. I mean, they did it across all forms of the media.

I mean, a lot of paper too, because you got to think William Randolph Hearst was playing to affect his companies and his paper mills and all the lumber acres he bought. So, you know, he smeared it in his tabloids for pink journalism on one color canvas. Oh, and see, he's talking to a former journalist and he doesn't realize this. Well, I mean, you should kind of know about it.

I'm very familiar with pink journalism. I'm more of a fan of gonzo journalism than pink works on occasion. But going on... That's what they called it.

I honestly just read something called it, I don't even want to know what I mean, like sure, that'll work. It was essentially tabloid journalism before they had an actual definition at the time. Gotcha. But what, to me, and all the things that we've talked about here so far is where hemp fest and an event like this has been something that has been drastically needed in Memphis and in the Mid-South to, because the people that are, and I hate to lump everybody into a category, but I put myself in the same damn category, the people that are supportive of the passing of marijuana legalization now are those that have been smokers and that just want, a lot of it is people that just want the decriminalization.

But there are those that don't know enough about what they need to be educated on to make an informed decision to support it or to be vastly dead set against it, which most people in these states tend to be, because we are in the Bible belt. Correct. What do you think, what do you hope to accomplish, especially with, I've seen a lot of educational speakers? Yeah, yeah, you know, we have Jeremy Fazon.

He was the representative who actually, he's still a representative. He sponsored the hemp legislation in Tennessee back in 2015. So he's probably one of the reasons we have it. We have Clint Palmer.

He used to be the former lead hemp researcher for MTSU. Now he's the director of growing for Blue Hen, Botanicals and Knoxville area. He's also the co-founder of the Tennessee Hemp Industries Association. You know, then we have Ryan Hosh.

He's coming from Maryville. Ryan's a four-year employment and processor. He's going to talk about his growing experiences from Maryville. So, you know, of course we're working on, again, some other speakers and everything, but yeah, you know, really a lot of education.

He also have 40 dent over 40 vendors signed up right now already, who, you know, be talking about their products and of course offering education. So, you know, I want for two different hemp samples for you to look at and stuff. And we want to go ahead and put this out there for anybody that's going to be at Hemp Fest listening. We will be there podcasting.

It's going to be our first year at an event like this. I think we're both extremely excited about it, especially just to be out in front of a new audience for us. But anybody that's going to be at that festival as a vendor or just in attendance, if you see us over there and you see us podcasting, you want to come talk, come sit down. You've got to bring your product over, sit down, talk to us about your product.

We're there. So if you've got vendors that want to get the word out, tell them to use this. Absolutely. So, it's definitely something that's going to be a lot of fun.

I think the- And it's free to the public. That was another question. It is free to the public. Now, another question is with it being in Tom Lee Park.

Is this a bring your own children's? No, no, no, no, no, no, over 10, over 10, over 10, excuse me. Is this a- Yeah, the Green's Award. Is this a bring your own- No, that's- You can't.

You could bring chairs the way it's not that big of a venue, honestly. It's not going to- So, I mean, some people- you'll probably be more comfortable standing and just walking between the booths and hitting the stage. We'll have some- the educational tent. We'll have chairs and stuff where the speakers are.

So, we have all that. So, it is a park. You are allowed to bring chairs. So, you can if you want to, but you really don't have to.

And I'm going to a sentence. This is an event for the public that we know alcohol on premises, or will that be a vendor issue? We don't have any alcohol on premises right now, but at the park, but we do have an after party at the high town where the local brewery, middle-some, or local brewery, middle-some brewery will be working on a cannabis-inspired brewery. No.

And we'll watch that on a- at the after party, which we have a lot of different bands, DJ Space A, Native Blood, and the headliner co-sign, and all that will be a little while. You know, some might be like, well, that's a lot for- for 20, but you know, he's an avid supporter and love to have him. Well, and with it falling on a Saturday, people are going to want to be out anyway. Yeah.

I mean, Saturday, 4-20, we figured why not go, you know, go big. And honestly, he's basically volunteering the time. So, why would we see nobody? And yeah, and it looks like he's going to have a chance to get a sit-down with us, a guest on the show last week is going to be there with him and is going to bring him over to the booth with us so we can get a chance to sit down and talk to him before the after party.

Oh, man. He's going to be there all day. I'll definitely bring you over. He's sitting on the- have a tent at the festival itself, so he's going to be there all day.

So, definitely, you guys up with me. Awesome, man. It's not like we're going to have a lot of people talk to. Oh, yeah.

Now, I know that it's a- that there's no smoking at the event. How are you? At an event like this, how the hell do you make that happen? Tell the truth.

You promise? You hope? You hope people respect it? So, you're going to show me where the hidden parts are with no cameras when I get there, right?

Probably somewhere in the woods. Okay. We don't need a lot of hippies out the woods getting stoned. There's going to be a lot of people getting lost, and that just makes me confusing.

And I'm not leading the damn search party. I don't know about you. I don't think it's that big old part. Don't mentally hit these parkway or poplar.

Somebody just go to Chuck E. Cheese, get a shitload of those art bracelets. They make the kids wear now, and just put them on everybody that comes through the gate, and when they disappear at Beeps and we'll be able to find them. Yeah, yeah.

Sound a great idea. Maybe some GPS tracking device. Sounds expensive as hell. It does.

We might get more sponsors. We'd probably need a bunch more sponsors than that. No, what's the big thing this year at Hempfest that you're looking forward to having people see that maybe they have the opportunity to have in front of them at this point? Oh, any particular product that you're excited to have?

Honestly, I'm looking towards the speakers really, honestly. The education point. Yeah, honestly, it's really kind of what I'm really looking to hear from the growers, and I definitely want to hear from Representative Fazan, see what his thoughts are, you know, four or five years down the line, what he thinks of the program. So I'm kind of interested in seeing that.

I just applied for my growing license. Almost anyone in the state can grow. It's super easy. $250 and we have no drug companies in the past 10 years.

That's not much of a requirement, is it? No, it ain't. But you got to do it quick. It ends February 15th.

Now, okay, for the people that don't know what has changed so much about the laws in Tennessee. What do you mean? As far as allowing the growth and the manufacturing. Oh, well, no, not a lot, really.

Back in 2014, the 2014 Farm Bill allowed states to have program programs. If they started 2015, refers are Fazan sponsored, but hit bill. And we've had one ever since. And it's been pretty much that.

Okay. No. $250 for zero to five acres. Then it goes all the way up to 350 at the maximum acreage.

Yeah, that's easily affordable to get into. Yeah. Yeah. Not when you think of growing applications and stuff like that, you hear $100,000 deposits and license and fees.

Now, that's for the stuff with the THC. Apparently, it costs a lot of money to play with THC. Okay. So that's where the differences are in the process.

That's a different. It's point, you know, industrial hemp or cannabis to TVL is a scientific name. It's .3% THC or less. Okay.

So what they're using here is not necessarily the same kind of you're going to see in the dispensaries in Cali or Colorado. No, the stuff in California and everything like that. That's going to have anywhere from 10 to 30% THC. And only if it was specifically bred for CBD, like spursivity, illegal, less than 1% CBD or strain.

So we'll have, you know, anywhere from 10 to 16% CBD, but have to be less than .3% THC, which, you know, the point will never be .3. It's actually the pain service that they're talking about. That's the .3 threshold to concentrate. Okay.

Now, let's talk. There's one more thing as far as that's happened in Memphis that I wanted to talk to you about specifically. Correct. The change to the, it's not decriminalized, but the change to the fine structure if you're getting less than I announced.

Oh, no, no. Yeah. That is a closer F on its own. All right.

So we helped bring about the decriminalization of half an ounce of marijuana and Memphis right behind Nashville. So it's Memphis and Nashville. They both voted to their city councils voted for to decriminalize half an ounce, where you get a $50 fine. Only one person in Memphis got it.

What happens was shortly after it passed, Senator Brian Kelsey out of Cordova, Germantown, the attorney general of the state of Tennessee, the issue of opinion on the ordinances. Of course, the attorney general says Tennessee comes back to me and it's illegal. So Memphis box pulls back on it. Nashville's prepared tickets court.

But while that's going on, William Lambris out of Cottonwood, East Tennessee sponsors a bill basically making it so that no county cities or municipalities can alter the drug laws. So basically it's revoked it. So some case Tennessee person, you know, with nothing with middle and West Tennessee politics. And of course, you know, all are, you know, that that sales through the voting really quick.

And so if that goes through, we lose it. No more decriminal, but we're walking backwards. That's pathetic. It really is.

It really is. But then you can look at their, you know, their campaign finance reports and then you see like, oh, police lobbying and alcohol lobbying and you know. or look at where it is because looking at it being in Memphis, they were losing a lot of, they would lose a lot of fine money if they went to that $50 fine. What did you say from, sorry?

Memphis would lose a lot of money in fines if they had gone to that $50 fine situation. Well, yeah, I mean, he definitely lose a lot of money. I mean, you're not housing people in jail, you're not collecting your court fees, you're not trying to, I mean, that's, yeah, yeah, of course you would lose money, but it's a good thing. People should be sitting in jail over a plan.

You and I agree that it's a good thing, but maybe those people that are considering the budget are sitting there going, nope, we can't have this. Probably, it really is. You got the police saying it's a dangerous plan and all they're concerned with is really their budget. If it's legal, then they can't get all these soft arrests that they always do, that they use to inflate their budgets over here.

And that's, the crime shame is that in Memphis, that the hard drug scene has gotten to be, from what I understand, heroin has got to be a massive problem in Memphis. Well, the heroin's a massive problem in Tennessee and in a lot of places. I mean, that's where a lot of these overdose that are coming from. People are getting hooked on opioids by their doctors and then the legislation's making it so tough for the doctors to prescribe these pills after a while, that the patients get cut off and they're addicted, or they're no longer, you know, need the medicine, but the doctor has got to clean them off and sends them out on their own.

So if they're buying these expensive LORA tabs on the street, or they can go get cheap heroin, it's only a matter of time. And yet for some reason, they still want to focus more on marijuana busts. Well, it's easy, man. You don't have to do any work to arrest the Sutter.

Well, I mean, no, because we're not going to try to speak, to get away from you. Hell, we may pull over to green light. You never know. You know, and then like the other day, I was speaking to a police officer.

And he whipped out his phone and he was like, oh, yeah, he was going to shoot me something. All right, this should be interesting. He's sleeping through his phone. And then he pulled up, and he's like, oh, three little plants.

Look at it, a little plant, a couple of 30 bombs, and like a bag of flour. You could pretty much tell this was this guy growing some stuff in his quad. Nothing big. The police officer even said he hated both things the guy, but he had to.

It was his job. Even said he didn't think it should be illegal. So now you have cops who are acting against what their moral self is, just based on because it's the law I'm ordered to. Well, you know, just following your orders never played well in any side of history.

You know, not you learned I'm a NERBER trial. I see what you're saying. Because I mean, it's just, it's a conflict of interest to a degree for these cops that are not supportive. If they're supportive of the decriminalization, them supporting the law, it makes them a hypocrite and standing with a badge.

And it's going to be interesting to see the amount of people that I think. And I think you're going to have a good crowd. For those of you that don't know, Hempfest is on April 20th. That's right.

4-20. Saturday, Saturday, 4-20 in Memphis, Tennessee. Going to be a lot of fun. You want to come out and get educated?

Come on out and get educated. You want to come out and try out a whole lot of new products? Come out and try the products. Oh, we got you.

Yeah, we're hopefully we'll even have some samples of hemp creams, do some hemp creak demos. We're going to have a lot of stuff to show off all the amazing stuff that hemp and canvassed can be. Well, we, like I said, we are definitely looking forward to being there. And I will touch base with you in the next couple of weeks to get everything, kind of get the logistics.

Yeah, yeah. But I want to tell you, Lee, I appreciate you coming on. This has been informative for me, especially. I know, Devin, you've been quiet, so I'm assuming you've learned something too.

I've learned a lot. But we want to thank you and I look forward to seeing you at Hempfest. And I can tell you this won't be your only appearance on the show. So, uh, awesome, great.

But we thank you for your time and we look forward to seeing you again, sir. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. All right.

Thanks, man. Bye. You can join our fan page of the Bea Good Brotherhood. Now, before we go, we want to send out some shout outs to some folks over the last few weeks that have been great to talk to.

They've been a lot of fun. Uh, want to send out a shout out to the guys that, though, it might work solid day. Those guys had us on their show. Um, I think we told a few stories.

We probably shouldn't have. Uh, but they were good guys. Also, uh, shout out and speedy recovery to Matt Penfield. Thank you for being a phenomenal guest and putting up with a couple of guys that were not on your level.

So, uh, we do definitely appreciate you as well. Uh, Melanie Addington and the guys and gals over at the Oxford Film Festival. Thanks for having us last year and having us back this year. We're looking forward to seeing you guys.

Um, other shout outs we want to send out to our buddies at any pod will do. Our buddy, Joe B, uh, our buddies at Manufactured Mayhem podcast, Dan and Ron. Uh, of course we also want to send out shout outs to the guys on pop culture podcast. Pop culture, cosmos podcast and our guest for Thursday will send a shout out to these particular ladies.

Um, or for next Tuesday, excuse me, God, I can't get my days of the week straight. What the hell going on with this? Um, but to Terry Heather and Daisy at zero. We've had a lot of folks given.

We cannot wait to hang out with you guys. This is probably going to be one of the craziest adventures we've had in podcasting yet. And also we want to thank the ones, one product that is stepped forward and found that we were worthy of being a sponsor. Uh, we want to thank our sponsors at Spunklube and, uh, also want to send a shout out to the guys over on, uh, at Cracking Grinders.

Uh, I reached out to you on Instagram. Guys hit them up. I think they would be great for giving us some things to give away, especially for him, this. So why not give it a shot?

And now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for Faking News. This just in from the Faking News desk. Oh crap. I can't get my phone up.

It's not the only thing you've had problems getting up. Ah, FBI raid at NSA employees home reveals over 16 million dick pics. That's right. FBI agents have discovered an estimated 16 million pictures of men's genitals, also known as dick pics, during a raid on an NSA employees home this week.

Federal prosecutors have charged Hillary Wang an actual security agency employee. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Wang. Where are these all on her phone? Or computer?

Does it say? Well, I'm getting to it. Uh, sorry, I used to work in the news business. You're supposed to put the important shit at the top.

Well, I'm just reading it off. A national security agency employee of 14 years with the health of government property and unauthorized removal and recurrence of the private government property. So the government owned all these dick pics? Oh, just wait.

It is believed Wang used her top security clearance to illegally download an estimated 16 million pictures of sexual nature off of unsuspecting Americans, mobile phones and computers. She is obsessed with big black penises and the small size of her Chinese boyfriend, Penis. A fellow co-worker confirmed her reporters when reached my phone. She's a good person, but it's impossible to have a five minute conversation without her wanting to show you a picture of some black guy's dick on her cell phone with a former co-worker told local reporters.

Experts believe Wang used a custom designed algorithm to target users dick pics and automatically download them to her home servers. The employee had been on sick leave for the past two months after battling with severe depression and mental health issues according to family members. Legal experts believe Wang could face a maximum of 166 years in jail if found guilty of theft of government property and unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials. Ladies and gentlemen, the title of this story is 166 Dicks.

Apparently, the middle of the vintage is a classified material. I know they ruled yours is toxic at one time. Well, there you have it guys. At the encouragement of our blunderer in chief in my opinion, Agent Orange himself, that is it for us.

That is the beginning of something new for us every Thursday be on the lookout for the fake news department from the DMC news department as we are going to call it. So guys and gals that have been out there listening, we appreciate you taking the time. I know some of you have probably smoked and if that is okay, we have no problem with that help. We have been drinking.

So have a good time. Just handle your high. Don't do anything stupid. Don't go out in public.

Don't go driving around. Be responsible people. Yeah, be responsible with yourself. There is nothing wrong with having a drink.

If you are going to drink, stay home or go out. Have a designated driver or do like me and marry somebody who doesn't drink. Works for us. Yeah, thank God.

So until we see you guys next time, stay lifted in the words of our good buddy, Muckstick and we will see you next time on the same fat time and the same fat channel.