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EPISODE · Apr 13, 2026 · 3H 28M

I Spent 48 Hours with Bob Lazar (The Truth Is Stranger Than You Think)

from American Alchemy with Jesse Michels · host Jesse Michels

Today’s episode is brought to you by Kraken. Go to https://kraken.com/AA to learn more, and get $25 in bitcoin. Watch Bob’s new movie "S4: The Bob Lazar Story" here: https://www.wearenotalone.com/ Today’s episode is also sponsored by KetoneIQ: Visit https://ketone.com/ALCHEMY for 30% OFF your subscription order PLUS receive a free gift with your second shipment—or find Ketone-IQ at Target stores nationwide and get your first shot free! Pre-order the NEW Believe merch drop at https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ and check out some of our other items like the Cowboy UFO t-shirt and Atomic Age t-shirt while you're there. The Believe drop is a limited run so grab yours today. Our American Alchemist this week is Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar sat down for the longest and most scientifically rigorous interview he’s done since blowing the whistle on covert Navy UFO reverse engineering programs at Nevada Test Site’s S4 in 1989. He goes deep on UFO science, how the crafts actually fly, talks gravity-altering propulsion with NASA lead electrostatics scientist Charles Buhler, analyzes newly-leaked footage of a UFO flying at Area51 and unpacks his full experience working on the Sports Model UFO: its test flight, how it was found during an archeological dig on the ocean floor, its Element 115-fueled reactor and gravity-altering emitters. He also describes seeing 9 other UFOs in the Hangars at S4, the directed energy and time-manipulation programs he was briefed on and being recruited to the program by Manhattan Project pioneer, Edward Teller. Finally, Lazar says that he now knows how to recreate the exotic, gravity-altering force employed by the UFO he worked in the 80’s but this time in his own personal lab with his own equipment ----------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w ----------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early/Ad Free Episodes) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ [email protected] Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 05:08 Sponsors (Kraken/KetoneIQ) 10:13 Bob's Childhood and Science Obsession 17:53 The Jet Car and Getting Hired at Los Alamos 19:42 Meeting Edward Teller at Los Alamos 24:20 Working on the Particle Accelerator 27:27 The MIT and Caltech Credentials Question 30:15 George Knapp's Visit to Los Alamos 32:39 Teller's Referral and the Path to S4 36:17 The EG&G Interview and Redirect to S4 40:26 Arriving at Area 51 and the Bus Ride 43:15 The Briefings: Galileo, Looking Glass, Sidekick 48:04 Medical Screening and Meeting Barry 50:13 First Impressions of the Craft 54:47 The Blacker-Than-Black Portholes 57:01 Crawling Inside the Craft's Cockpit 1:00:05 Witnessing the Craft's Test Flight 1:07:41 Nine Different Craft in the Hangars 1:11:37 Navy Retrieval and the Ocean Theory 1:15:39 Luigi on Bob's Legacy and the Navy 1:19:07 Top Speed, Delta vs. Omicron Modes 1:22:21 Logan Paul's Area 51 UFO Footage 1:28:59 Satellite Evidence and the Map Change 1:35:01 The Reactor Explosion That Killed Three 1:39:29 The Golf Ball and the Reactor Force Field 1:43:54 It's Not Gravity, It's Another Force 1:45:20 Surprise Guest: NASA's Charles Buehler 1:49:23 Buehler's Thrust Results in Hard Vacuum 1:54:03 400 Volts and the Townsend Brown Link 1:56:52 Gravity A and Gravity B Explained 1:58:14 Burkhard Heim and the Sixth Force 2:02:34 Element 115 and Bob's Lab Work at S4 2:04:16 Telling Gene Huff and John Lear 2:10:47 John Lear: Pilot, Friend, Wild Card 2:17:49 Jacques Vallée's Falling Out with Bob 2:19:11 Defending the MIT and Caltech Claims 2:21:37 United Nuclear and Government Contracts 2:26:40 The UFO Cabal and Organized Crime Ties 2:35:54 Epstein, Los Alamos, and Exotic Science 2:43:14 Bob's Current Lab Research Revealed 2:44:33 Why Bismuth Keeps Showing Up in UFOs 2:55:00 Identifying Element 115 at S4 3:05:54 Relativistic Electrons and Spacetime 3:12:59 Five Heart Attacks and the Toll of Disclosure 3:15:31 Luigi's Sacrifices Making the S4 Film 3:19:08 Closing: The Future of UFO Science Securities and brokerage services offered by Kraken Securities LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. 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Today’s episode is brought to you by Kraken. Go to https://kraken.com/AA to learn more, and get $25 in bitcoin. Watch Bob’s new movie "S4: The Bob Lazar Story" here: https://www.wearenotalone.com/ Today’s episode is also sponsored by KetoneIQ: Visit https://ketone.com/ALCHEMY for 30% OFF your subscription order PLUS receive a free gift with your second shipment—or find Ketone-IQ at Target stores nationwide and get your first shot free! Pre-order the NEW Believe merch drop at https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ and check out some of our other items like the Cowboy UFO t-shirt and Atomic Age t-shirt while you're there. The Believe drop is a limited run so grab yours today. Our American Alchemist this week is Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar sat down for the longest and most scientifically rigorous interview he’s done since blowing the whistle on covert Navy UFO reverse engineering programs at Nevada Test Site’s S4 in 1989. He goes deep on UFO science, how the crafts actually fly, talks gravity-altering propulsion with NASA lead electrostatics scientist Charles Buhler, analyzes newly-leaked footage of a UFO flying at Area51 and unpacks his full experience working on the Sports Model UFO: its test flight, how it was found during an archeological dig on the ocean floor, its Element 115-fueled reactor and gravity-altering emitters. He also describes seeing 9 other UFOs in the Hangars at S4, the directed energy and time-manipulation programs he was briefed on and being recruited to the program by Manhattan Project pioneer, Edward Teller. Finally, Lazar says that he now knows how to recreate the exotic, gravity-altering force employed by the UFO he worked in the 80’s but this time in his own personal lab with his own equipment ----------------------- Support Our Other Projects Below! Grab Your American Alchemy Merch Here ➤ https://www.americanalchemymerch.com/ Join The American Alchemy Magazine Here ➤ https://americanalchemymagazine.substack.com/ Subscribe To Our Clips Channel (10 Minute Highlights!) ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@UC8ZKTXN9trt5dhixz6b6l6w ----------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early/Ad Free Episodes) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Apply For Jobs ➤ [email protected] Sponsor Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Media Inquiries ➤ [email protected] Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 05:08 Sponsors (Kraken/KetoneIQ) 10:13 Bob's Childhood and Science Obsession 17:53 The Jet Car and Getting Hired at Los Alamos 19:42 Meeting Edward Teller at Los Alamos 24:20 Working on the Particle Accelerator 27:27 The MIT and Caltech Credentials Question 30:15 George Knapp's Visit to Los Alamos 32:39 Teller's Referral and the Path to S4 36:17 The EG&G Interview and Redirect to S4 40:26 Arriving at Area 51 and the Bus Ride 43:15 The Briefings: Galileo, Looking Glass, Sidekick 48:04 Medical Screening and Meeting Barry 50:13 First Impressions of the Craft 54:47 The Blacker-Than-Black Portholes 57:01 Crawling Inside the Craft's Cockpit 1:00:05 Witnessing the Craft's Test Flight 1:07:41 Nine Different Craft in the Hangars 1:11:37 Navy Retrieval and the Ocean Theory 1:15:39 Luigi on Bob's Legacy and the Navy 1:19:07 Top Speed, Delta vs. Omicron Modes 1:22:21 Logan Paul's Area 51 UFO Footage 1:28:59 Satellite Evidence and the Map Change 1:35:01 The Reactor Explosion That Killed Three 1:39:29 The Golf Ball and the Reactor Force Field 1:43:54 It's Not Gravity, It's Another Force 1:45:20 Surprise Guest: NASA's Charles Buehler 1:49:23 Buehler's Thrust Results in Hard Vacuum 1:54:03 400 Volts and the Townsend Brown Link 1:56:52 Gravity A and Gravity B Explained 1:58:14 Burkhard Heim and the Sixth Force 2:02:34 Element 115 and Bob's Lab Work at S4 2:04:16 Telling Gene Huff and John Lear 2:10:47 John Lear: Pilot, Friend, Wild Card 2:17:49 Jacques Vallée's Falling Out with Bob 2:19:11 Defending the MIT and Caltech Claims 2:21:37 United Nuclear and Government Contracts 2:26:40 The UFO Cabal and Organized Crime Ties 2:35:54 Epstein, Los Alamos, and Exotic Science 2:43:14 Bob's Current Lab Research Revealed 2:44:33 Why Bismuth Keeps Showing Up in UFOs 2:55:00 Identifying Element 115 at S4 3:05:54 Relativistic Electrons and Spacetime 3:12:59 Five Heart Attacks and the Toll of Disclosure 3:15:31 Luigi's Sacrifices Making the S4 Film 3:19:08 Closing: The Future of UFO Science Securities and brokerage services offered by Kraken Securities LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. Digital asset services offered by Payward Interactive Inc., (NMLS ID:1843762) a FINCEN registered money services business, not a member of FINRA/SIPC and not FDIC insured. Disclaimer: Geographic restrictions apply. Instant buy/sell fees apply when you convert one asset to another before making a transfer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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