EPISODE · Nov 21, 2025 · 42 MIN
“I will not be cowed by this president”
from Deadline: White House · host Ken Burns, Rep. Chris Deluzio, Nicolle Wallace, Rep. Jamie Raskin, Michael Fanone
November 21st, 2025, 5pm: Two lawmakers join Nicolle Wallace to discuss President Donald Trump’s threat to Democrats who spoke out and urged service members not to obey orders they believe are illegal. And later, Ken Burns joins Nicolle to discuss his series and the resonances it has for our current political moment.For more, follow us on Instagram @deadlinewhTo listen to this show and other MSNBC podcasts without ads, sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. For more from Nicolle, follow and download her podcast, “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace,” wherever you get your podcasts.To listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads, sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Lawmakers – including one of Trump’s targets – join Nicolle Wallace to discuss Donald Trump’s accusation that half a dozen Democratic lawmakers engaged in sedition, “punishable by death.” Later, Nicolle speaks with Ken Burns about his new series on the American Revolution.
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“I will not be cowed by this president”
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