Do you think the system has scared people or has Trump himself scared people? He has now seen the evil of the Democrat Party. And we're watching the evil of the Democrat Party first fours right now, and everything's going on. You had money taken by power, Rob from your bank account, sent technically overseas, but money comes back to American contractors.
So if you're one of those American contractors, you just got Richard. Florida has already done this. Florida has not been supposed to be to wrestle the alligator in the same style. Florida has been right without a lot of something.
What do you think about what's going on in France? So keep France for the French. Seems to be the headline takeaway. Yeah.
Yeah, what do you think about it? Well, I would say that France, just like every country exists as a nation states to protect the interests of the French people. That is not necessarily a skin color, by the way. So it raises the view.
No, absolutely. Again, every country exists the way you get diverse nations is that every country gets to decide what it is. The country of Chad can behave in a certain way for the people of Chad, maybe it's not always an operate for people of Chad, but you can do what it wants to do in those borders, and that's different than how Belgium, or then how El Salvador is going to operate. What's happening in France right now is a really strange perversion of how Democrat rule is supposed to be in that the party of the right.
I will not say far right. But the party of, because if you listen to Marie Le Pen, who's a leader of the Florida's the far right party, we played several for speeches on my show. or if you listen to her speeches, she doesn't say anything racist. She doesn't.
She talks about the love of France and she talks about class. She literally talks about classically liberal values of that country and everything else. What she's upset by is that because of leadership, left is leadership of the last probably three decades, but mostly in the last 10 years, they have led in millions of people. Most of them happen to be Muslim, but not all of them, who have ideas that are counter to French ideals, that are not liberal in nature.
That have different views as it pertains to women's rights, that have different views as it pertains to gays and other minorities and everything else. And they had the most women, they had most votes in the election. But in all of the far left parties, decided to join together and basically override the election. So they really should have won.
She should be the next president of France. But the far left is going to be in France. And France is in a recent serious trouble right now. Serious trouble because it has been getting worse and worse.
Paris is not the powers of forget Paris. It's not really Christ like that. You know, I do. It is not that Paris anymore.
The Jews are going to have to get out of France. I see no situation that this is going to end well in France if the far left fully takes power there. That is a very big statement. I don't use that couple of hundred thousand Jews left in France.
The system is made clear that it doesn't care for them. If you're going to have people, people just have the system made clear. There is an obvious truth here that if you get to a certain percentage in these countries, you get to a certain amount of Islamic immigration into these countries. And the people decide not to embrace French values.
The same thing that you just talked about from American perspective. I wouldn't care about anyone's religion. If someone came into a country and said, I'm an American first. I'm a French first.
I believe in the founding as racial documents here in America. I believe in the founding principles of France. I believe this is a multicultural. France is a multicultural place.
They have people who are older, they live in France. They don't just walk in the France. And only see white people. People have people who have people on Asians and have nails.
It's not as open as America. Because America is what it's an idea that everyone can come here. So it's different than that. France is also older in every house.
But when you let in a certain amount of people, generally from a specific religion, it does not work out for well for people and other religions or minorities. That's just a truth. It's extremely important to talk about. So you're talking specifically Muslims.
If you're 22 Arab states that are basically all Muslims states, there are virtually no Jews left in any of them. There are basically no Christians left in any of them. There's a couple of copy of Christians left in Egypt. There's a reason for that.
The more that London has become Islamicized, or whatever you want to call it, the worse it has gotten for other people. These are just true. It's just true. Every country has to decide what they want to do with that.
They're just elected to their builders. He's largely against the cyber immigration. And it's promising to support people. We'll see, I would never be reporting the Muslim family who operates the same way every other family does in America and is invited by Muslim all those other things, obviously.
But if you have people that are importing all of these bad ideas and then hating outside the realms of law and then you see these protests that are now seeing all over the place where they're literally, they're celebrating terrorist organizations or about terrorist organizations that have state goals and genocide. Again, it's one of those things. How long can that stand for? So I would say to people in France, if you're a minority in France right now, why would the intersectional government, the leftist aligning the jihadists with the radical gaze and all of that things not gonna work for very long.
It's gonna descend into chaos very quickly. How much daylight is between your views on Muslims and Sam Harris's? I'm not to be totally honest with you. I haven't listened to this, Sam.
Sometimes I don't know where he's at saying the last two years. It's really all this. But I don't want to frame it as Muslims per se. But it's just one of these things that's like knowing to talk about it in some respect.
If he cause it's so hot, because it's so hot and it can be clipped in any which way that will come off the wrong way. I get using the senses that are gonna be hard to get out, but I do want to understand that even if so, for instance, I haven't thought about it in a balance problem to give you a specific take on that, but I believe that people should be able to think up for a sprint. So let's try this way. So can you give me a place in the world that is Muslim majority or run by Muslims, that is good for anyone else besides Muslims or even good for women or other minorities that may be Muslim like gays?
I have no idea, but that's knowing what you don't know. Not that, oh my God, I've looked at everyone. I can't find an answer. But basically I think, well, so here's how I would approach the problem and this is, hey, dear internet, I'm very open to people helping me actually think through this problem better.
So when I don't know the history or I don't know the specifics of the situation, that's me, I don't think it's helpful for people to think of it as like, oh, I don't have to think about that. I think people should practice thinking up for the first principles knowing that I will not be able to give you any specifics about Muslim immigration, but I can tell you what would need to be true for this work. So I'm just going to skip sort of the first part of physics as it would be a waste of time in this conversation go back to the way human psychology works. Okay, way human psychology works, we know that people are super tribal.
So we also know that for humans to work together flexibly in large groups, religion is one of the most powerful ways that we get very large numbers of people to work together. There's a mummification of the beliefs in the travels and story through religion. So already if I have religions that are coming together, I know I have a potential friction point because they do such a good job of triggering tribal all the stances and that they create or they allow for a very clear communication of value sets. So now when you have religion, you don't have sort of that secular like, oh, I thought about that.
Oh cool, you're introducing me to a new idea work. It's like no, no, no, we don't even feel like that. You don't even feel like that. We're just like that.
So you ratchet up in a big way, the potential for conflict is very clearly defined values that are easy to disseminate amongst population of all these visual cues to each other as like, oh, I'm on one team, you're on another. Okay, so now I don't know if one religion is better or worse, I just know that religions tend to have a collision point. Now in America for a long time, there's been, I don't know how people feel about this. But for more I'm seeing it feels like watering down if some of those principles is more and more secular.
And so that's one of the ways that we've dealt with it is I think this will be backed up by data, but not have data, this is just 48 years of being American. We don't have as strong as Orthodox communities. It's gonna be much more we have them, but that's not like the super present thing. It'll be very, very crude about it.
It will be, it is an empirical question, I just don't have the answer. Okay, so now you go, all right, if we have religions that are integrating to the United States or to France or ever, and they don't want to assimilate now I'm getting nervous. Again, this does not yet trigger me as like, oh, this is a Muslim problem, this could be an IRA problem, whatever, which is any problem or I have a religion element there easily easy to identify or colliding with another religion. And if neither of those religions are leaning into the moderate secular angle, you're going to have those.
And so then it's like, okay, well, we better have some way, if politics is an answer to culture, we better have some way at the level of culture to address this because we don't, you're just gonna have these tribes that grow grow grow grow, until they either secularize or they collide in spectacular fashion. Or one behead to the other, which is why we collide in a spectacular fashion. So the bet I don't know enough to make myself is whether the orthodoxy in people that are coming in, bringing Islam with them if the orthodoxy is such that they will not become secular, they will not integrate into the values of some of the country. If they won't, again, this goes for any relationship, there's going to be a collision.
And that's if we are both right and a use of who's at first, but whoever said that politics is an answer in culture, I think everything is an answer in culture, because that's one of the biggest ways to manipulate your own frame of reference. So if we cannot get a shared frame of reference, you will have a collision. But again, Sam Harris has a take that it is particularly pronounced in the Muslim faith, that the orthodoxy becomes so extreme around the idea of a caliphate, this is where now I'm just into ignorance, I don't know enough about it, but you'll have that set up in religion. Right, so again, I can't speak to exactly what Sam is talking about, but Prince will just lay out there.
I think it's correct. And I would also say that not all religions are equal. So if you were just looking at the big three monotheistic religions of Judaism, Islamic Christianity, Judaism doesn't proselyse. So they're not out there looking for converts, right?
It's extremely difficult to convert Judaism. So that's very fundamentally different than a religion that is out there looking to evangelize. Now it's different. Islam and Christianity both evangelize, they want more people to convert to them.
But that doesn't mean that they're equal either, because if a whole bunch of Christian, even if a bunch of Christian missionaries move into your community, they may talk to you about Christianity, they may welcome you over for a potluck and show you their lifestyle and try to get you to come on Sunday to break down and everything else. You have very little chance that it's going to escalate to anything beyond that. If a bunch of, let's say more, again, this is where the words are all sort of muddled, but if you had more radical elements of Muslim people moving into your neighborhood, there is every reason to believe that they would be encroaching on you more and more. Or how do you think they would be treating the Jews that live there or the other minorities or the gays or anything else?
That is just fundamentally different. America, which is a largely Christian country, right? That's why I left it. It seems to seemingly AIDS America.
Also is widely accepting of virtually every type of minority. Actually it celebrates every type of minority, which is also bizarre. You don't have to celebrate somebody like somebody like somebody who likes to wear a furry costume and run around putting someone on a dog. They can do that if they want to celebrate it.
So they are different, they're not just a Christian expert, as it contains the French. We're just talking about the broad trends that we're seeing across Europe right now where Hungary doesn't have this problem because they close their borders and people say they're racist. And again, I never got the implication that we're on racist. England has a huge, same problem that they have.
As I just said, the Netherlands just voted in. Somebody thought it was on the far right, Italy did the same thing. So these countries are just responding to things. It's not racist to want Italian culture to be preserved.
You can decide what your immigration policy is. Look, is Japan actually about that. Yeah, let me paint it out here. This might be where you're headed.
Oh, God. Interesting idea. I am simply trying to understand how the world really works. I am Japan file.
I absolutely, my favorite place on planet Earth is Tokyo. I could not. So my producer is taking it on the way driving here. Japan is the one place that I never did.
I really want to go. Yeah, every time I take it on the whole team there. For the first time, 1985, I saw that. So I'm very excited about it.
I'm excited about it. I was like, I have to go to this place. So I'll be greeted by a manga character as a big character in the really way. I can see why you'd be very happy.
I love virtually everything about it. It's absolutely awesome. But I have a feeling it's racist. And there is just a sea of Japanese people.
When you look out and I know enough expats that live there that during COVID, they were like, bro, you've got obese 85 year olds that will get a shot before a foreigner who's like, sorry, you'll get a healthy 14 year old that will get a shot before an obese 85 year old. That's a foreigner. They're like, they just, man, it all goes and like how Japanese are you and they're going to prioritize that. Now, the thing is I love the culture that's produced.
And so the fact that they have kept people out for as long as they have has created something interesting. And so God, I absolutely do not endorse racist as a animation reform. But I will say that keeping Japan from the Japanese is interesting. So maybe the word, so I think the word racism has become too toxic to maybe apply the exactly what you're saying.
Can you call it school of fish? Yeah, it's more like that in that sound a little bit and it's a lot of things. Yeah, and I don't think that makes them racist. You are allowed again.
You are allowed to why we are not, it's why this one imagined is so idiotic. I never think it's so brilliant. If we just had no borders, I mean, I know nothing. Well, yes, in fantasy land, it doesn't have people who have been writing for anything else.
Yeah, we had this pure fantasy land. But since then sure. Well, so this is interesting. This contributed to that thing.
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HSA, FSA, tax savings, very. Politics and answer and culture songs are really powerful culturally. I think that song is beautiful in its aspiration. I get that it's not literally how we should.
The problem is the problem. I'm not a Beatles guy in general also, by the way. I really just might not be like, yeah, but it's just noise. It's a lot of noise happening at once.
But the problem with that song is not. So I'm not exactly sure it's aspirationally. It's fantasy, not necessarily aspirational. What would be aspirational would be that, oh, you can live the way you want to live.
And amongst people there are somewhat like you in that, that will create human thought largely and someone else can do it another way. It's more of a fantasy to be like, we will have no borders, we will have no differences. And that actually sounds very dystopian in a certain sense. So ultimately that will be just all being the same.
And I don't think that that's good. I don't think you think that that's good either. And that would be, well, no, that might so, wow, will we have to get specific about what we need about the same people? We do that in the introduced idea.
So there's a Gorilla Troop or chimpanzee and chimpanzee Troop studied by the guy who wrote the term in somebody looking up for me, Stanford professor, absolutely brilliant guy. Anyway, there were a bunch of the chimpanzees that were eating out of these dumpsters. And the dumpsters got tainted meat and it killed basically all of the more aggressive males that would go and so we dominated this garbage heap. And so after all of them died, they were left with this sort of really chill, calm, largely female led group of shims or baboons.
And it's they like that for generations because what each of them learned, because they would bring in people from other tribes, other monkey troops, they would come in and they would be like, no, no, we don't do that and violence shit here. And they were just like, oh, cool. Like I'm going to adapt to the norms of this group. Again, politics being downstream of culture even in monkeys.
Surely somebody has found the name of this man by now. He wrote the book determined. And that to me is really interesting because it does put forth that if you can get the cultural soup that you can really change behavior tremendously. Now I actually am a believer on the political stage of reality.
So please don't anybody get confused about what I think is real. And I think the truest statement that has ever been made in pre government even with governments. The strongest do is they will in the weekly suffer as they must. And just this.
But nonetheless, I think that that again is downstream of biology and values. So you would basically say that the monkey or chimpanzee or the realer, you're talking about is in some ways that that's parable for Japan is what you're saying. Basically right. I'm saying that by being all the quote-unquote same if by same of the mean values, you can create a value system to output something so awesome that as American, I'm just like in awe of the culture that they produce.
So I think that Americans in the place that someone lived not moving to Japan anytime soon. I had a bad feeling I would never be able to get to the business than there would be Simon outsider. But nonetheless, I love and appreciate what they've created. I love being a part of the melting pot.
I just want everybody to look at the reality of what you get. So to me, all of these situations are held together by values, not seeing color. It just so happens that from an evolutionary standpoint, it used to be very hard to travel. And so people would effectively intervene.
So we all looked this way, Europeans look as soon as you can tell, they're just an European and Eastern European. It's by the way, it's like, we can all agree on that. And you go over into Asia the same thing. It all just fragments out.
And for a very long time, where all isolation is out of necessity. From that is more in these incredibly unique cultures. And so I'm just saying, hey, let's all take a real list of you at this point, by Japan being so insular, you get one thing that is a very amazing product. The US is on something different and it's a very amazing product.
And I guess what you would say, the danger part would be that if Japan's starting trying to export that across the world through force. And as long as they're not doing that, then they can have their islands. And it's just fine. And it's just fine if you don't want to be part of it.
They're not forcing any of the American expats that are obese that want to go to Japan to stay there. And then you're going. So whether we want to call that racist, I just don't think that's largely helpful for some trying to understand this with the word. It's been so mangled in everything else.
But I have no problem with Japan being for Japanese people and them deciding what immigration policy is right for them. The same way that America should do it. But as you go straight to the time, we have a different founding ethos. So our immigration policy is going to be broader and more wide.
And less racially connotated than there is will be. Those are just different things. Yeah. Play this scenarios out.
I think that's the only way to put together an immigration policy that will yield the outcomes that you want. You have to define the outcomes that you want. Like if we want to be the nation that says, yeah, give us your report, you're tired, you'll be hungry. Huddle the masses send them our way.
And then we all poll it to you. We should join your chime if you guys don't know who he is. Look him up. It is people will exploit the systems.
You have to understand what the ways in which this will be exploited. We want to let that happen. We want to stop happening. But it becomes a very interesting thing.
Maybe maybe we got into this one. How do I go back a week ago? What generation are you in America? And where?
On Gen X. No, no, no, no, no. Generation, in terms of your major family. Like who came first?
I don't know about this. My great grandfather had a German accent on one side and Dutch on the other were both great grandparents. OK. So your great grandparents came from another London from Germany.
They came here. I'm going to guess the family story. They pretty much came with nothing, right? Correct.
And they got probably the island first. I don't know that. One of them jumped ship. Not literally, he refused to reward, but you got the idea.
OK. But they came. They basically had nothing. And then America promised them, hey, you got a shot.
You tired of tired of bored, how the messes. And then they worked real hard just like my great grandparents actually. One of them was from Holland also. Work real hard, given nothing.
My grandfather lived in 10 million, one bedroom, six kids. His father, my great grandfather died when he was two years old. And they had to move into somewhere in Brooklyn with his uncle. And then it was like 12 kids and a two bedroom, all of that stuff.
You know, they basically had nothing. His first job, he always used to tell me, I don't know. I was in 10 grade. But I remember my time at his first job was for his quarter.
But that dream, then, Dave, he then, he became a photographer. He was lower middle class, but worked real hard. And they lived in Brooklyn. Then my dad grew up in that.
He became solidly middle class. They moved to the suburbs on Iowa. That's where I grew up. I grew up solidly middle class starting to get to upper middle class.
And then now I'm obviously, I guess you would say it was upper class. My children were about that. I hope that I'm able to fill them up with all the right ideas. So that they were able to do amazing adventures one day and everything else.
And I'll be discriminated against because they were born with a little something because the color of their skin really is the dream. That's the thing that you want to perpetuate. And we want to sell. And for some reason, America hasn't been able to sell that as well.
So that's the particularly perverse part of when a certain set of people are just like, open borders for everybody. And also this place is horrible. Then you bring in a whole host of problems that we are now seeing everywhere, which is why there's this incredible video with the International Company. So maybe so there's a community center somewhere in Chicago that's largely mostly black people in this community center.
Now we can Chicago and the Cambridge city is now been overrun by illegal immigrants. And now the black people of Chicago in this particular area are pissed. And they are rightfully pissed because they had a community center where they could go swimming and play basketball and maybe drop their kids out there's cool. And now it's been overrun by people that again, we don't know if they love this country or anything else.
And I'm also going to guess that when you're under that they busted their great grandparents busted their ass and worked and they didn't give German immigrants anything just like they didn't give Italian immigrants anything or Irish immigrants or Jewish immigrants or anything else. It was just a freaking chance. And that rolled the dice is way better than anything we're being sold right now. Yeah.
It is interesting. My family is full of amazing people and total unkeds. So 50, 50 was the percentage. That's generous.
I love my family to death. I like anybody's family. Of course, of course. But that's also the beauty of freedom.
You have people that grow up there who need children billionaires that will never opportunity to be the world. And I think you have a story that we all love. I came with nothing and it becomes a story that all of that is the digital America. And that is the thing that is so freaking precious that we better hold on to.
Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the thing that the president can actually influence or inform policy. What you want to see happen in 2024 with Ukraine with Israel Palestine.
Like what is the right path to walk? I mean, the Ukraine is just unbelievably complex again because we hit it briefly before, but the end Putin has nukes. You cannot be him militarily in that sense. So we can keep funding Ukraine to keep trying to get back territory and you may not like that he encroached on Ukraine in the first place.
And he's not a guy in the way of Putin to defend or anything else. He didn't want NATO at his borders, which actually because I believe in sovereign nations, I understand why he didn't want that. He didn't want basically G.I. Joe in like a perverse sense to be at his border to take his country.
Or that's what he felt was going to happen. Or Ukraine is also China. There's huge money laundering operation there. And it's not as, you know, we keep this idea that there were some freedom through Ukraine or something extremely, I would say, 10 US at best.
I think the only way Ukraine gets solved is probably that they're going, sorry, that Ukraine gets off is that they're going to have to concede some land to Russia. There are plenty of Russian natives because I want to be part of Mother Russia. I don't see any way around that. Again, you cannot be them militarily.
So I think that just kind of just is what it is. I think the American appetite for it is, you know, there's a, I think we're a cogent argument around Israel and values and everything else that we've discussed here that I think you can sell to people, but the Ukraine thing is starting to feel also because there's a weirdness. The Biden family in Ukraine and everything else is just messy and it needs to come to some kind of negotiated end that is not going to make, it's certainly not going to make all the hardcore Ukraine people out of you. These are all situations much more simple.
All they need is the help, they need some diplomatic help because they're under constant diplomatic assault there. There are countries inside of New Jersey that basically is like eight miles wide, which is so unfathomable to think of. They have one international airport, I mean it's a seemingly tiny country and it really tough hard the world's around, the nations that don't want them to be there. I don't want them to be there.
Obviously, have every right to be there and if you, whether you're a believer or not, I mean Jesus of Nazareth, that is modern Israel today and he was Jewish. But we don't really, the Israel thing that we can do for Israel is basically say to them, you have diplomatic support, you have the military support, you need a diplomatic support to route this terrorist organization out and then route the terrorist organization out and then the much bigger problem though is that Lebanon is basically a failed state that's run by Hezbollah, which is a Shiite terrorist organization run from Iran, right? So the Lebanese government right now has nothing to do with what's happening in Lebanon. So every day hundreds of rockets are being shot in Israel.
We wouldn't tolerate one rocket being shot from Canada into Detroit, but bomb Mexico. So like they have to, like there's a much bigger war happening there because as well, it's much stronger than the mosque. I was in Israel about a year and a half ago, as well before I was in all anyone was talking about with the incoming war with Lebanon, not the war, anything to do with Gaza. There was not one Jew and Gaza, no one wanted anything to do with Gaza.
There was a fence which clearly proves not to be effective. But nobody was like, oh, we want Gaza, we want it, we want it, we want it, they gave Gaza away, they wanted nothing to do with Egypt to help freedom all to stop any guys coming in for Egypt and you guys are going into Egypt. So that one, I think all we can do is basically give them some military support and some diplomatic efforts as the world kind of turns against them. But again, the bumper sticker thing would be piece of strength.
You show the world that you're strong and then the world doesn't do crazy things. Donald Trump, I think it's completely right when he says that Ukraine would not have nothing under him. Look, he would be evidence of that, right? What's the reason in Ukraine that they told under Obama, sorry, I'm blank in person.
No, no, no, no, Georgia. I'm in Crimea. Thank you. They told Crimea, right?
Russia told Crimea under Barack Obama and we did nothing. I'm not saying we should have anything, but Putin did a test under Obama, right? And the test was, oh, Obama doesn't do anything when I make moves. Then we had Trump for four years.
Nothing happened and we got Biden and we had this in the situation. There's empirical evidence to look at that when you have peace through strength. You know, two things that Trump did very early in the presidency, everybody was completely insane. And everyone was like, oh my God, he's three things.
Mother of Obama, he dropped his massive bombs. Not a new one, this massive bombs. I was like, I got to start working nothing happens. But what made us are our foes in the world, be like, what the hell is this guy doing?
He just dropped big bombs from the reason. Then he moved to the embassy to Jerusalem, the American embassy to Jerusalem, which is what he was like, everyone said, my guy is going to start working nothing happened. Absolutely nothing happened. And then of course he created these peace deals.
And everyone said, oh my God, he do all these peace deals about the Palestinians while he was in the military. But he wasn't true. And more we're coming down the pipe and unfortunately he didn't get a second time to make it happen. So all he killed so many, they were in general.
So if you leave it, I'm not for war on that for nation building. Let's say I'm not for war. It's a silly phrase. I'm for war when it is just.
But I'm certainly not for nation building. I think we should scale back all of this. If you told me we were blowing the part of our 8 by 50% overnight, I'd be for it. As long as it was equal across the board and we're not singling out on trees and all that stuff.
That's important. It's not good for our allies to be so dependent on us. But I believe in peace or strength. If you have red lines, you have to hold them.
You can do that. It's when I ended the whole war. These are like basic obvious principles. Yeah, you can just get out there and be like, oh, we're just whatever.
And that's what we project right now. That's why it's very likely that this summer, especially with what's going on with Biden. Why wouldn't China's plan really is to take that one, which is basically what they're saying. I'm going to be doing it right now.
Wouldn't this be the greatest opportunity to do it right before the election as everyone thinks the President of the United States has dementia. It would be pretty great time to do it. If you were if you were a man and you really wanted this work to go hot, it was actually your chance to get Israel in an existential war. Why wouldn't you ramp it up right now?
So there's a lot. I think there's just a, in this next, right at the beginning of the conversation. But there's a lot of seriously bad energy in the system that could be used by people who just want to know just one way or another. Which that's probably the most dangerous thing about Biden presidency right now.
It's not really whether he's in charge or not. It's whether the people or the countries or forces that would love to do damage to the world or to the United States are willing to take it right at the job. And that's the total X factor in this. That is nothing to do with however we vote or anything else.
Do you think Trump will actually be able to end the war in Ukraine? Yeah. Yeah. It's like what does he do?
He negotiates. You know, it's what he, I do watch, do you ever watch reality TV or reality TV where we are all the only show that every watch reality TV I swear was celebrity. I don't know why I turned it on one day. I have an cable and I'm like 20 years back, I have a cable, that was on NBC.
And John Rivers was on I guess I was like, I don't remember. He's in the winning season. And what does Trump do? He negotiates.
He sets people up against these others. He keeps everybody guessing, you know, he thinks he's going to fire one person out of it. So next thing you know, he fired three people and like that is the magic of Trump. That is the mastery of Trump.
That's what he's book was about. That is the thing that allowed him to be unbelievably successful real estate developer in New York. It's certainly not easy to do. So I think there's every reason to believe that he would either, he would call Zelensky or he would call Putin or he'd call them both.
And he might say Putin, listen, this thing wraps up soon or you're really going to escalate this in a way that you just have no idea what we're going to do. And there would be reasons to believe that might be true as a disassociated. Or what's probably more appropriate to say to Zelensky, listen, the gravy trains over. So you're going to have to conceit some ground.
I'm sorry, it's not exactly what we all wanted. And it may be unjust and Putin may be evil, but we're just wrapping this thing up. And then Zelensky would have to wrap it up. So I think there's every reason to believe.
I can't also say that October 7th never would happen under as much. I think there's every reason to believe that. I don't think Iran would have had the balls to do it. Or even right now, there are eight American hostages somewhere in that.
Americans, Americans, nobody knows their names. Right? Joe Biden is not under their name ones. We couldn't end it all this on October 8th.
The tiny country that is pouring crazy amounts of money into our universities and everything else. We know where the leadership of mass are. They're all billionaires, by the way. They have private jets, and they live in the Mediterranean or they have everything else.
And the way they say, okay, you have one week to release the hostages, we're blowing up a tar. I'm not like you're blowing up a tar or killing anyone that's innocent. But again, it's peace, we're just making show people there. They're credible threats, you're going to release the American.
You wouldn't even have to have to release the Americans. But we haven't even done that. So this week and either here and or there, they're thinking that we're doing. It's bad for Americans.
Does that make any, you have obviously great resources all well deserve everything else, than everything else. Like when you travel, you could have a target on your back for whatever reason. It's like, hey, forget resources around you. You're American.
You go another country right now. And you go to Mexico and there's a guy, they can have you. Why would you have belief in America? It's going to do anything about you.
That is a problem. That's what we're projecting right now. Okay. So as you think about Trump coming to office, if we're going to play our hand well in Israel Palestine, I see the path that you laid out in the Ukraine.
But what is the similar path in Israel Palestine? Well, first of all, just on the semantics, it's not exactly Israel Palestine. Israel Gaza, because Palestine was never a country. There was no prime minister.
There was there was the British mandate of Palestine, which is historic today in some area and Israel itself and everything. But I'm going to do a history lesson on that. But we brought it up. So it's worth discussing a little bit just because people get very confused by that.
Yeah. So I am familiar enough with this argument that it's fascinating. Yeah. But I don't think it's going to change anyone's mind.
So are you, I'll lay out my best understanding of this and you tell me if I go straight. My understanding goes like this somewhere in this around 67 people's first start using the phrase that people of Palestine, because that makes a question. Well, there was a people in Palestine and there must have been a nation state of Palestine and also triggers a UN resolution that any people have the ability to self determination and therefore can defend themselves etc. So they want to get world opinion around the fact that these guys have a right to defend themselves.
Is that mostly accurate? Well, well, no, I mean, that's what you're saying. There were never people known as Palestinians, meaning that there was a British mandate of Palestine and Jews were there in some Christians, they were in Jews, they were in that ones, they were in their way. And you could look at people who look at it right now.
Find New York timelines from pre modern state of Israel. There wasn't Jews versus Palestinians. It was used in an era why you bring that up. Why would you want to be careful to outline that?
Well, it's not really against Palestine. It's because it was implies that Palestine was a nation state unto itself. They're fighting a terrorist group that exists in Gaza right now. Gaza plays that not one Jew or Israeli has lived since 2005.
They left unilaterally, they left them in a trade. Everybody goes, oh, shit, I didn't know that. Do you think they'll be like, oh, we're just keep on now that they're not. No, no, no, no, no, no, I think I think I would say for someone like you clearly cares about details and getting sort of like a chronology right now.
I think it's worth noting that that's what we're going to get. We're going to get too lost. It's really interesting. But this is one that I'm like, okay, if people are going to make a compelling argument, I don't think that's the one that they were telling argument for what that I have a feeling, the compelling argument that I've heard you make it before.
So I know it's basically Israel has the right to defend itself that we as the people not word should not be spending our time telling them how to conduct this war. And by the way, they weren't even people anyway. This is a collection of Arabs that happen to share. This land is real Israelis have just so much for right to from historical context.
They've also offered them a state. So my point of view, right? Maybe the way that people approach Israel's Palestine is that it's what my wife and I refer to as Don't argue about the tea. So the argument is happening at the level of like the surface detail.
Like the word Palestine wasn't first used or Palestinian wasn't used until 1967. It was a British protector right before that. It's or on the other side. Like this is our ancestral homeland.
We have a right to be here and Israeli should leave. It's like, that's not the argument. Sure. So we can find out what I think that to actually have unless so there's two paths of force, disgusting policy on how to handle or discuss base assumptions as to whether Israel should exist or not.
Because that seems to be the process of matter that everything else is when addressing. And this is just a question of, hey, dear person hearing my voice right now. Do you believe that the Israel has the right to an ethnocentric state that it is for Jewish people? Because that at least with my and this I'm very much not well educated here, but it is my understanding that there are Arabs in there.
But if you were to know there are two million who have been on the Supreme Court and who are doctors and lawyers in law of law. Is it true? And maybe it's true. Is it true that if they just did a one for one vote that Jewish people would be outmoded by non-Jews?
Well, first off, okay, so it's going to be very complex. So if we were counting all of all of the land, the historical biblical land of Israel, meaning the West Bank and Gaza itself, the numbers start changing. But Palestinians, the only the only time the Palestinian people have ever been able to vote or have any autonomy over themselves is when Israel gave it to them in the Oslo courts in the 90s before that they were always ruled by other people. That's one part.
The other part is that before I was having no literally there was nobody in Israel. Nobody in anywhere in any way. Anything was the mainstream Israel that was carried out of politics. I wanted anything to do with Gaza before 1967, it was part of the constitution of the conscience.
I mean, it's just there was nobody like there was nobody, BB nobody wanted anything to do with it. They left. They wanted nothing to do with it. There were, you know, what the sick and they were many sick and things that happened on the the other side.
One of the most exciting places that the people, the Israelis that lived in the Gaza area, they were all leftist because they wanted to live in some sort of coexistence with these people. And then what happened, I went to some of the places down there to see the devastation and it's just on the imagine that was even close to what it really is. But one of the ways that they were able to kill so many people is that they had people that came from Gaza, they had work permits and they come and they make it because they worked with these people, a lot of agriculture reformers, they worked with them for years and years sometimes decades. And they knew how many people lived in each house, how many men, women, children, and they marked it on the door.
So the the mass nerves would then come in and then could kill everybody and know how many people they had to kill or they might be able to to save for them was or a whole bunch of other stuff. But without getting all that, if you want like what the political solution is, what's like the day after all of this? Hamas as an organization needs to be destroyed. It is a terrorist organization that needs to be blown apart.
That largely has been taken care of. There were very few rockets left. If you want like what does the day after look like in terms of structure, what does a government look like with the roughly two million people living Gaza? It probably, well, it should be Egypt that basically takes Gaza.
You know, Sinai is right between Egypt proper and Israel. And Israel had Sinai, which is one of the words like eight times bigger than Israel proper, they gave it up for peace paper for a peace deal that largely existed for about 50 years. Since right around when we were born, the thing is that Egypt, unfortunately, they don't want any of Palestinians there. And nobody know how country wants any of the Palestinians.
Right? Like if you're getting them believed that there was a genocide going to there isn't. But anyone believe that why hasn't there 22 Arab nations? They have tons and tons of money.
They have tons and tons of resources. They have 500 square miles, 500 square miles, miles, miles, miles, miles, miles, miles. You could put them all in Sinai. No Israelis ever go there.
No Jews ever go there. No Christians ever go there. They could give them a country there. You might get a country.
They have a country called Jordan is Palestinian, majority actually. It's ruled by the hash of my king. King of Jordan. He is ruling in apartheid nation.
The only nation, the only nation in the Middle East doesn't have apartheid is Israel. The Arabs have equal rights against the country. And all the jobs in Lebanon, you are Palestinian. You are not allowed to own a certain amount of land.
You are not allowed to be a doctor or a lawyer. So every other nation in the Maldives, you are only allowed to be Muslim to live there. That's not the way it is in Israel. So there's one nation that exists in the Middle East that is anything remotely close to literal values or progressive ideology or anything else where women are treated well and gays are treated well and all the rest of it.
And ironically, that's the place that the progressive takes the most. So I guess Egypt has to take some responsibility for that problem is that Egypt has been building all these tunnels. That's why everybody doesn't want Israel to go in out of Morocco, which is the last border part basically to Gaza. Egypt because clearly Egypt has been defaulting on its peace agreement and helping a lot of the stuff we built.
So that's a huge problem right there. And I don't know exactly what you do with all of the West Bank. It's these may be largely intractable problems. But I can tell you this when I was there just a few months ago, I got a car from a cab from Jerusalem to Saburo Patel.
I was in with Arab Israelis. So he's an Arab Muslim, full citizen of Israel. He talked about it. And he does not want to live anywhere else.
He knows that he's a minority in that country. But he doesn't want to live anywhere else because he has more rights and more opportunity than literally in any other nation. So it's a very weird, weird to say, please. Okay.
So several questions. Yeah, I got a lot of things. No, it's great. And thank you for helping the education.
And so Israel has a problem in that they border people that some percentage of them obviously with some harm. Why doesn't any of these surrounding areas, why don't any of these surrounding areas want to assimilate Gaza? So I mean, why doesn't Egypt just want to take on the only other kind of... You just have to be on the cardboard.
So why won't... And why don't Egypt had Gaza pre-1967? And then they launched the war and lost in Israel, Gaza. And Israel had Gaza from 67 until 2005.
And then they were about 8,000 Jews that lived there. That's what settlements were. And they basically, as you guys have been able to forget this. It's not a work we want nothing to do with these people.
There is no such thing. They're not going to peace or go exist. That's just separate. And unfortunately what they did is they built a wall that was basically a fence.
And I saw that you can watch the October 7 videos. They built a fence that had some hard wire. The Egyptians have ever seen what Egypt and Gaza border looks like. You should Google it sometime.
They have massive concrete walls with huge amounts of hard wire and ditches. And they blew up tunnels. And they realized the Israelis ever treated. The Palestinians nearly as poorly as the Egyptians had the world would be in a complete uproar.
But in terms of geography, the only country that it borders. And again, Sinai is largely empty. That's the Egyptian border. You're looking at it right there.
And then if you compare that right there, and that's just the portion of it, you can see some blocks. You can see multi-layers of hard wire. There's electronics, surveillance, etc. And they were blowing up underground tunnels.
And if you look from the October 7 videos of the wall that is the wall, it was a fence that they had with Gaza. It was a far worse fence than you have at your house right here, which your day is pretty damn impressive. I mean, really cool. What have you been to that was what was the impression of that?
So, what do you think about the wall? They don't want them. They don't want them. I think we'd have to day after October 7, that was your final video this afternoon.
Like, this wall, and if they want to solve all this right now, why they give you one military solution, which is we should threaten Qatar because the Carl of the money and the amount of the other solution is if anyone really cares about the Palestinians. And my estimation now is they don't. It says nothing to do with the Palestinians. This has to do with taking out Israel.
It has nothing to do with the Palestinians. You care about those two million basins. You could get them all to Sinai in three days. The Jews would never have anything to do with them.
You could get all of the Qatar money to build them a flourishing and thriving economy. You could do it. You could use all of the technology that Israel did by turning a desert into green. You could do all of that in Sinai because Sinai is basically a desert.
But Egypt doesn't want it because they're going to import huge amount of terrorists, huge amount of people who love to throw the Egyptian or human animals. And that's why nobody does. That's why the Jordanians look up a lot of number from 1972. They go about 3,000 Palestinians in a day because Palestinians were upset with the Jordanian government and about 3,000 things a week actually.
So it's like nobody really cares about them. This is all just like a crudgel to take out this one tiny state again in the size of New Jersey. Okay. So let me see if I understand your opposition.
If you recognize your position, let me know that I'm interested perfectly otherwise, please correct. There was a first of all, the Palestinian people have never had a state. They didn't start calling them Palestinians and tell something like 1967 by calling them Palestinians. They were trying to trigger in public opinion the sense that they used to have a state and are now being denied that state.
The Egyptians who also share a border with Palestinians do not want them because they believe that they would be importing terrorists. People that would cause problems, so they have erected an even more aggressive wall than the Israelis. The Israelis, one Gaza in a war, they stayed there for quite some time with about 6,000 8,000 people. They then in 2005 realized it's not worth the headache.
So they retracted back out of Gaza. I've heard that they even dug up the graves of Israeli-Israeli-Israeli-Israeli-Israeli-Israeli infrastructure. They were well- And they were not in the same way. And in another 20,000 Americans were held hostage somewhere and we have rockets being fired in from another part of the country and still from that part for months now that stopped because the military operation.
Imagine what we would be like as a nation right now. Not only security wise, but the psychology of the nation are else. Israel has a largely manage in it. They're still out and about until they're still functioning as a nation.
That is a rather extraordinary actually. But they are able to deal with existential threats constantly, like the most existential threats you can think of and still function in any kind of ways. I don't know what I can't literally imagine what we would be like if we were under that pressure. I mean, that makes a bigger question of what I was supposed to be.
And I have a feeling given what we did in Iraq where it was just completely unjust liable as I tell. We don't have any country that is attacked by terrorists. We've been as people kidnapped and slaughtered. Everybody to do whatever they want.
I believe that both ways do you want a second to be worth that is not going to be. So, yes, I could be like a shaver that off by 20%. Not what? You have a right to defend your citizens.
Period. No other country on earth would have gone through what is wrong. And then we would be told you also have to feed the people now who have your captives. You have to make sure they have running water and electricity and internet and everybody else.
You have to take care of them. You also have to bomb certain buildings without warning them. No one in the history of warfare has done any of these things. It would only be the Jews that would be said, okay, you can willfully all hold a bunch of people and you have to care more about the people who are doing the killing and getting their own citizens.