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Buckle up. Episode 9 of Average On Purpose features our guest Patrick, who worked at the NSA during the same era Edward Snowden was there. Patrick joins us for a chaotic, laugh-heavy, mini therapy session where we ask the questions everyone wants to ask—and he shares what he can share. Expect real talk, uncomfortable truths, and the kind of “wait… what?” moments that make you pause and rewind.What it was like working inside the NSA during that time, and what the public doesn’t understand about how it all worksHow security culture actually feels day-to-day: training, protocols, paranoia, and the unspoken rulesPatrick’s perspective on the Snowden era and the ripple effects that changed everythingWhat people assume about intelligence work vs. what it’s really like behind the scenesThe line between “spilling the beans” and what he legally/ethically can’t say—and how weird that line is in real lifeA few unexpectedly human moments: stress, identity, humor as coping, and why people inside the system are still just peoplehttps://averageonpurpose.comTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@averageonpurposepodInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/averageonpurposepodhttps://www.youtube.com/@averageonpurposepodIn this episode, we get into:Website + MerchFollow usWatch the video version on YouTube