"If you want to win, be joyous." Mia Frolova and Maryna Frolova on becoming Miss Texas Jr. Teen

It took four pageants, but for Mia Frolova, the newly crowned Miss Texas Jr. Teen, every one was worth it. Asked what helped her win this time, she credits practice, focus, joy—and staying true to herself. It's rare to interview a beauty queen. It's rarer still to interview a mother and daughter who've both worn the crown. In this week's episode of Sage Sayers, we hear from Mia Frolova on the leadership and communication skills she's built through competing in pageants—skills tested most starkly on stage, where the judges' panel grew notably tough, firing off ad hoc questions that contestants had under a minute to answer with poise. We also hear from her mother and coach, Maryna Frolova, a marketer in big tech and a pageant winner herself: Maryna was crowned Miss Minnesota as a teen. Correction: Mia's scholarship to Midland University in Nebraska is $128,000, not the full ride she mentioned in the episode—that goes to national titleholders. Call it a preview of what she's aiming for next. Follow the new Miss Texas Jr on Instagram here. And through her official titleholder Instagram account here. Debbi McCullough has written for the Economist, Financial Times of London, and Guardian. She is certified with the International Coaching Federation as a Master Certified Coach and is a trusted communications coach for Fortune 500/100 leaders. Find her on LinkedIn. Book her for a consult. Train with her on Maven.