I'm not trying to run off up around I'll close the laptop rope. I'm gonna fuck about this. We'll smash this laptop I don't leave it open. I'm trying to process some order and sober up I want you to I want you to talk about that and I want to interrupt but like on an educational level I can't believe how serious you were trying to look I know You know that inspire is a medical word for breathing in that makes 1000% sense Expire is breathing out it is and that makes sense when you see something as far as you go.
Well, I think about that one Like it takes your breath away. Oh my god. Yeah inspired like no that's like that's so interesting blown Did it blow your mind when you first read that cuz I don't you don't see that mind blown, but maybe it's sunk in already But that like when you see something that's like awe inspiring. I didn't think about the physical aspect of it.
And look even then I just said awe inspiring Right, it's you like like you see something like when I say it takes your breath away It's not because you can't breathe this because you breathe in you go. Yeah, you're inspired in this fucking inspired God damn it Damn dude. That is the most That's that's the number one thing for this episode. That is the most interesting thing.
I fucking heard so far It's pretty cool. Do you have more mind blowing shit? You're about to tell me that because I don't know There's all kinds of stuff out there, man. Okay real quick.
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I go Hey, you get yours, but I'm gonna need that check. Yeah, that's social girl. Hey, girl. Let me get that social You get yours though.
That's it's an interesting idea to me I mean, it's it's an odd thing that is so weird that people more people don't I want to tell people about that Yes, it's pretty awesome. I mean it makes a thousand percent sense But you don't think about it until someone explains it to you Because you there's another one like that because you totally know expire beans to breathe out But you don't you don't connect that inspire means breathe in and when you're inspired or something like that's literally what you do when you're inspired by that's pretty literal I don't know. I'm sorry about so much about it. But you know about um it's really blowing my mind, Dan Enthusiasm.
I mean, I've been enthusiastic about things. Yes, like the podcast But it's uh one of the meanings of the word is like in like an evangelical way like to gain like a divine spirit. No shit Yeah, fucking a yeah, I didn't know that but I mean it's gonna be I would love a words, man See so weird like enthusiastic and elastic share so much together, but they have nothing in common I would think it would have more in common elastic versus and in evangelical evangelical. Yep, that's the word So I did want to I did want to mention the the music is a little bit just because they're you know, it's such an old concept Supposedly it's well, you know when people mention the muse like and Steven Pressfield's book that I listened to it doesn't I've listened to this like years ago like well not years Maybe literally a year ago like several months ago It doesn't mean like a particular person like a muse is not technically even a thing It can be a person it can't be a person absolutely can't your wife could be your muse right like the fucking Mona Lisa could be your muse But so could two kids playing on a play around could be your muse right like it could be an emotion It's anything that inspires you right?
I don't mean breathe in I mean fucking living like it could be something that makes you go right it makes you look at it and go that inspires me like in a way That makes me want to explain that feeling I get yes exactly when I see or I deal with that thing Mm-hmm in a long-form way that makes other people feel the same way I feel yes That's what it's basically saying like when I look at spiders. I fucking hate spiders Like you know that right yes idea like I'm terrified of fucking spiders I've got a lot better about it But still I could use spiders as a muse if I was writing a horror story like trying to display or Cross over from me to someone else the horror and fear fear I feel if a spider were crawling across me yes And now because I want to do that that doesn't mean the story I'm writing about is about spiders I can write a story about a woman leaving me But use that muse of the spider crawling across me to convey that dread and fear I feel but in another storyline So this is another romantic concept called the sublime okay sublime Real quick you know I'm gonna do it but keep going don't do it is an idea in aesthetic and literary theory Where the grandeur of something that you're experiencing is so striking that it causes thought and emotion. I understand that now I don't track the Santa Ria How did you even least go with like garden grover one of the other ones? No, listen I don't practice and I got no crystal ball, but I totally understand what you're saying That's pretty much what I was saying with spiders right yeah So in your case because of how you feel about spiders your terror would be the sublime in your situation The sublime sense that you get from the spiders is your terror and that would be your inspiration to write something about terror spiders Well, that'd be my inspiration right here.
Yeah either one because you understand terror because of your fear of spiders Exactly. Yes, that's what I'm saying I can I could fear spiders and use that as a muse or use it as a sublime image sublime inspiration Yeah And write a story that has no spiders in it but conveys my fear of spiders through correct a different image And that is where I should have fucking gone to college for fucking english and that's super easy It's pretty easy But it's it seems obvious But that's one of the places that inspiration comes from and that's what makes the best art is when something Too enough because the best art is something that's authentic coming from the artist the best the best It feels like that you're really a fucking scared of spiders and I can if you can convey that in your art whether that's a picture It's not even a story a poem a song if I feel the way that you felt then your art is successful Well, that's the difference between art and non-art like let's say let's take painting and mathematics The difference between those two is mathematics is always a constant no matter what you do There is a correct answer it can kind of be art too though if you appreciate it Yes, absolutely But as far as art goes it is 100 subjective like just because I portray my fear of spiders 100 people aren't gonna be like I feel his pain or his horror Yeah, I agree You're gonna get people who go I mean who gives a fuck about fucking soda cans when really other people are like I get it man. Listen soda cans are like his spiders soda cans with earth are like the spiders to his skin because they don't hear it And they're always there and he feels them crawling on him like or whatever fucking crazy art shit that you do No, you're right, right You're right. I mean there's crazy art show and then there's also literal art where it's like I write a story about Metamorphosis because I'm afraid cockroaches, but that's not what it's about I know it's not but if you're afraid of cockroaches, you still don't you still fear metamorphosis.
Are you talking about the Catholic story? Yeah, impressive. So I mean it does have multiple layers It's if you're afraid of a bug You're also gonna be afraid of this but also if you're afraid of change Right, you're afraid of this and also if you're afraid of other people shame You're gonna be afraid of because you're reading it as oh shit people are changing You know there's multiple layers and it's like true art is subjective it is but art I gotta feel what you're about to say it's hard. It's hard and it's a real pain in the ass I dealt with it a lot in school.
I deal with it a lot now It is subjective because like because let's just say like B movies Let's not get there's a part of B movies that I get that there is a difference between a good B movie and a bad B movie We can go even bigger. We can say Picasso is a great artist Yes, but there are people that would say there's people who would be like he's full of shit He just threw pain on the fucking canvas. Yes, that'll like well my six-year-old could do that Exactly and it's and that's that's where art gains its value is its connection And it's not like you you want a you want your art to connect to a wide range of people and so more connects to the more it's worth I honestly, I think that's the difference and art is subjective to me Successful art is I made someone even if it's just me. Yes.
I made someone happier feel something feel something It doesn't have to be happier. Well because it could be a sad piece of art like This podcast is a sad piece art right? Well, my wife just bought an HR Geiger book It's downstairs and that's some of the saddest most depressing shit in the world see and I didn't feel like it's sad I don't either my point is it's beautiful Like it makes me happy how beautiful that is and that that human being existed in the world and came up with basically an art form I mean bio-mect didn't exist before HR Geiger have you I mean alien wouldn't exist without HR Geiger you googled some HR Geiger Super ego. Oh the funny.
Yeah, there's YouTube videos. Oh my god. They're pretty good. You ever listen super ego.
Yeah, it used to be a Anyway, I guess anyway, anyway, we're doing something but he and you know It doesn't bring sadness to me right it brings I mean almost inspiration. Yeah and not fear fear is not the right word I don't know I've got a little fear in there. It's something between fear and sadness. It's something I can't explain It's almost like a new emotion.
Yeah, it really is. It's like I mean it depends on how you look at it Like if you see alien, yeah, obviously fear Yeah, but some of the other paintings it's like you almost connect on another level to where like imagine imagine the movie alien Huh imagine if you saw just a picture of the queen alien given birth to one of its alien spawn sure it wouldn't be terror It would almost be a form of you a little gross. Yeah, but it would almost be a slimy But it would almost be like a mother giving birth joy type thing in there a little bit Yeah, so it's not fear on a just a flat fear base. It's like no it's something in between It's a weird niche that he's carved out.
Yeah, and it's just it's just super interesting me. I know because it's like It's scary, but it's not scary, but it's savage player Dear monsu, fuck legs and tiramisu I mean that's pretty much everything in there. It's like all right vagina all right teeth and legs Kind of yeah, I mean literally that's what it's like what all right and more of a done All right and more teeth and more legs and then and then it just goes deeper and deeper and that's what's so fantastic About great art is that you know then you start once you get past the fact that you're blown away by it Then you're like okay. Well, let's see what else he's done Well, then you're like okay, this is got some fucking problems and then you're like wait a minute I've got some fucking problems and you're like okay I kind of relate to him on this but on this he's on the other side of the fucking moon like it Yeah, you appreciate the fucking brilliance after a while like how did you even come over the shipment?
You see his spectrum of emotion And you go well, where do I fall in that craziness because I fall somewhere in craziness? It's like where do I fit in in his craziness? Well anyway if any of you don't know HR guy girl I think it's on I just your Netflix or Hulu. There's a I think you're gonna start star.
Yeah fucking it You gotta watch it. I spoke as if everyone knew who in HR now were so if you ever seen the movie alien the aliens were based off his design Or seen a biomech tattoo you know the combination of mechanical and biological biological artwork I mean it basically wouldn't exist without the man think of vagina with teeth and legs literally that's what I mean I'm not trying to make a joke like literally that's yeah He's like a he's kind of like a heavy metal solvador died. Yeah now I was literally just about to mention Dolly because Dolly's artwork makes me feel sad. Hmm like interesting You know the melting clocks.
Yeah, like it brings me like it really it weighs heavy on my heart I don't know why but it's almost like I feel like when he did that like he the feeling I get from his art is his time Is running short times getting slipping away from him, right? Like so that's that's an effective device. Yeah, that's the point That's the point that's the point well and that's like what's the lady who paints all the flowers that live the China's I don't know they're you know home out there, right? I think so.
Oh Delphi or something like that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know I said Delphi and that's not even close But you know exactly what I'm talking about but I'm not even a big art fan No, I'm not either But like there's certain things like you just immediately connect an emotion with yeah upon seeing it certainly and something's you don't like I see a Picasso I go that's a weird painting of a face I really don't connect to it personally to me there but like although some of the some of the Some of the classics like night talks or I mean there are some that I connect to even like American Gothic What's what's the one with the swirly sky star night? Oh star night?
Yeah, that's what's the nuts? Monet no, it's not a casso. It's not a casso. Oh wait.
What's it? No Pablo Picasso is not the one cut is here off I'm all fucked up right now. Who is it star night? No, no, no Casu definitely no, no forever did he god damn it Why I was confused I thought for sure Picasso cut his ear off and also no Monet painted the star night Oh shit, no Monet did the flower stuff and go what the fuck were you thinking?
I don't know, but I knew it wasn't either of those I enjoy his paintings, but it's weird I enjoy them, but they don't bring a particular emotion. No like you can enjoy looking at something without it bringing a motion Do you it's true like you can see a duck swim and you don't think oh or yay or move But you should like it as a duck swim and you can enjoy it without attaching a motion to it well and that and I hadn't planned it on Talking about this, but it brings up another point that I wanted to think about this is too Why don't we have to continue this next week? I honestly feel like we should just finish it now Okay, I don't know if we can't finish it if anything cut it in half I don't know if we can't finish it because I mean once you start getting into I know but we're watching creativity and etc But what I'm saying is we're already an hour 45 minutes fuck so we might as well just finish out the other hour and are 30 minutes Or 30 minutes and then cut the whole thing in half. Yeah, I have more than that talk about well That's what I'm saying just finish what you're anyway.
I was saying yes So another aspect of that is appreciation. So yeah, there's there's like a there's like a line graph Like if you can imagine like just a typical like graph you'd make in school and then just like a diagonal You know just like from the bottom of the top, you know There's a little point I'm in your line, so I don't give a fuck about opera I don't give a fuck about opera either, right? I can understand people who appreciate opera right who appreciates opera people who understand Italian That's one way people who feel emotion and song. That's another way Like people people who are familiar with opera well people who know what the nuances are who are familiar with the play with the history Yes, you know what I'm saying the way the way operate the way operates the way appreciation is what I'm saying like it It works differently So like when somebody that I don't think has an appreciation for something that I do at the same level I won't give them a hard time about it.
No absolutely not I'm not gonna 100% trust what they say like a certain people tell me that a movie is good I'm like okay. I'll consider that but I'm not gonna trust it until I read myself or watch myself But somebody that I know Appreciate something at a higher level than most recommend something I will definitely check it out well religion fits right into what you're just saying Okay, man, okay, what do you mean? Okay? Okay, listen this goes back to the Campbell also, but let's say no We just are a new episode so so Same thing if someone who you're like not really even close to you don't really care their opinion mention something about the religion aka Random ass person puts your door and talks about came to the mall.
Yeah, which is aka You're gonna be like yeah, okay, bro. Good job go to the next door Yeah, he wears if I were like do listen like I don't want to be all offensive But I won't tell you about this sometimes experience and want to tell you about it You might you would listen to me more than you listen to them That's because I know you and you take my opinion on stuff right with more weight versus some of your opinions on other things Exactly So that's the same thing with art though But if we go back to real quick because I'm totally forgot to mention this earlier in aka the last episode unless I make this a Jump off said so Jesus Christ follows the hero's journey. Oh, yeah, go ahead. You know that right?
Yeah, yes He does he doesn't he doesn't want to be the son of God No, he'd be he is a son of God he has to work his way You know and literally at the end he dies and is reborn is returned back to the earth He dies and goes to heaven comes back to earth I mean it's literally the hero's journey the same thing Joe's Campbell the same thing is every hero takes Jesus Christ does for sure and it's super crazy that all the good stories do exactly and it's like I mean it's kind of mind-blowing if you're like if you don't know anything about it the hero's journey You don't know anything about stories. I mean if that's the first or you heard you go. That's a fucking awesome story It's the greatest story ever told dude exactly. I mean we're still talking about two thousand years later, right?
But it's the same as fucking Luke goddamn Skywalker true just in a different I know Luke Skywalker's gonna be around two thousand years from now, but you know it's just it's in a different location It's a different theme, but it's the same storyline if you really think about it if you break down look at it What we really do man it is is what every human really so I just had to add that in there because I mentioned that earlier But it's just it's just crazy that I mean is that where the hero journey began is that where all stories began? No, no exactly But it follows the same scheme does it follow the same scheme because it's following older stories or because it just happens to fit in that timeline You're trying to try parallels that you and I both know aren't really there. It's just it's just similar the in the fact that it's Heroes journey what would make a lot of people uncomfortable It's mythology. I mean it follows the template of mythology Why is I mean I heard mythology I didn't hear about it.
I mean well it technically would be yes me because yeah But anyways, yeah, but I just thought I never thought about it that way until I was reading this earlier that it follows that it I mean if you look at it like you can plot the points in that same clock I talk about where it goes from one twelve right you can plot all those points in the Fucking hate you, but I love you Dan. I'm sorry. I'm not gonna sit here and listen to another ten minutes of you explain the same Sorry, yeah, yeah So you're talking about it so go ahead and talk about what you're gonna talk about how many more things do you have like 17 more things? I have so many things man If you want to talk about something that's a it's a little more relatable well to the folks.
How about this one? Okay, I'm about some more famous muses. Okay, Aphrodite. Obviously god of love No, so supposedly the Greek muses were Zeus's daughters.
Yeah, Aphrodite was one of his daughters right? Okay, easy bro. I'm sorry. I call it make the shit relatable man But I call it before you say it which means I'm smart.
That's all I want to point out Everyone's doubting that don't worry about it. I know they are Zeus's daughters that were muses after daddy's not with them. Cliby Clio Ereto Clio Hey, they're pay men up on me. I can't say that one.
Polly him near him's who attributes of the veil call me now Clio I mean she lived forever the comedic news weird. I don't know how you mean the daughter of Rasa Google no Tell you I know what I'm just saying like same name. It's boring. This was a dying as well So he's saying to say to people isn't it?
Yeah, go ahead. You're a boring person. Turn me down Just because I was a little drunk earlier. I'm very sober now.
Okay, so patty Boyd. Did you say patty Boyd? Yeah? P-a-t-y-b-o-y-d.
Yep, she is famous for being Layla in the air clapping song I'm just gonna do some music music news is you got me. Wait, wait, wait, wait, who was patty boy? You can't just say patty boy was Layla. No, she was the girl that was the first boy boy boy She was the real woman that was the inspiration.
I wasn't knowing in particular. It was just a real person named patty boy Yeah, I'm sure she's a fucking groupie or something. That's all I was wondering speaking of groupies The most famous baby Bewell or Bewell. Did you ever see almost famous?
Yep. It's been a long time Oh, no, I'm thinking of Cross the universe, but almost famous. Yes. I know that as well.
Yeah, so what's her name? Kate Hudson? Yeah played Penny Lane. That's who that's supposed to be.
Yeah, that's who that character is based on Known for inspiring Stephen Tyler, Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, Jimmy Page, Shratz Stewart, Todd Rungen and Elvis Costello and most notably the mother of Liv Tyler. Really? Yeah, huh? There's one chick that was real quick real quick.
I'm happy to else out who was in the Beatles whose name first name started with John Don't laugh at me. Just say it. Just say it. Don't laugh me because I'm just gonna keep dragging this out I'm just gonna keep dragging this out.
I'm just gonna keep dragging this out. Oh I'm just gonna keep dragging it out. John. It's not Cena.
It's not Cena. I can't see him get some John Lennon Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm ready. See you now. You know It's funny part of the episode what you're talking about.
He's John Lennon with John Cena. Oh my god There's another chick that was oh my god, okay at Andy Warhol's place the reason real quick to interrupt you The reason I was finding out who the fuck John Lennon was was because the ultimate groupie slash muse Yoko Ono Yeah, clearly fuck all that for that all that for that. That's what I was about That's what all that was about I mean she's on this list of shit that I was trying to talk about You wanted to fucking elbow drop from the top rope because you can't Okay real quick though. We're definitely doing a wrestling episode like soon.
There's so many there's so many I mean you talk about your John 3 16, but awesome 3 16 says I just whooped your ass Yeah, all that that's my Steve Austin impression. That was a pretty shitty impression You just say that was the rock huh did you say that was the rock no that was chit? Don't go okay. Just making sure you didn't pull it oopsie as big as I did about John Lennon and fucking John Cena.
I Got one for you. I go ahead Rosanna our cat Rosanna banana. Rosanna our cat. Why does that sound super familiar?
My wife isn't a big fan, but you know this bitch right Rosanna okay. It's been a lot of movies Was she from like airplane three and a half or whatever no no she looks super familiar She was You know drug addict bitch in Pulp fiction. It was like talking about like I have piercings and my nipples Oh not the one who overdosed who was obviously oomethurmon. Yeah, okay.
You know who is a muse who's probably not talking about your list The chick don't shake your head dude the chick from gremlins. Yeah, she's not your list She's a lot of she's a fucking muse don't even fucking say she's a lot of people's news She's a lot of people's news a lot of you know you're fucking list is she well You know you can't I can't get through one. God damn it. You got to like two before I didn't even tell you why?
Why the fuck Rosanna our kid is anyone's muse And why I thought you're the toto song this shit Santa Rosanna. That's why yeah this bitch Yeah, okay, hot chicks and muses who knew that's why I brought up Katie. I'm gonna flip this motherfucking table Do it's not a table is a fucking bookshelf I'm totally good now. I'm drinking work.
Yeah, you're super fine. Just a seven fuck Also So much editing also inspiration for the Peter Gabriel song in your eyes in your eyes, okay I'll say that but I was like I know I'm saying the wrong words. I go your eyes I was gonna be like I was gonna say that but I was like you're I thought for some reason you're like I mean from from the scene That's probably inspired a bunch of other fucked hearts to go hang out outside the girlfriends windows from say anything Hang it holding up the fucking the boombox. Yeah.
Yeah inspiration. Hey squared no for experience don't work You know work. Did you really do that? No, I didn't do that.
I'm sure someone did and they're like oh I tried it too Courtney love music or not. I don't know mues murder close call close call right at least in Greek strategies I mean she might have been the bitch that he was upset about. I don't know I mean I don't think she was amused. I mean I think they were around before she came around, right?
Maybe I don't know the history of it But I don't think she was amused. This is kind of an interesting one So uptown girl Billy Joel. I like some Billy Joel. I really like that air a bill Oh Everybody's about to see Brinkley actually about El McPherson He went to both on the beach at the same time and he was like totally in love with El McPherson But ended up hooking up with Chris Brinkley.
How about that speaking of which one time I asked a twin out She said no, but my sister likes you so I date her sister because they're twins and they look the same and she was your wife Well, no It was good school so I was like I literally on the phone. I was like hey you want to go out so she's like um so My sister really likes you. I don't really like you and I said okay, and then she's like you want to get my sister Yeah, and that's how we dated because their identical twins. I have no shame as a fucking seventh grader So just circle way back to the beginning beginning of what life this episode this episode I'm gonna ask you if you heard of Carl Jung before you yes like off on I'm sorry your magical mystery tour I had to get it out brain.
I had to get it out or it would have never I wanted to talk about this right now quick before I forget Listen Dan every other time you totally cut me off. No, you're right. I totally got you on this one now You're right. Yeah, I think it's because I'm usually more drunk than you but this time possibly maybe reversed I think it might be backwards.
I think it might be are you more drunk than me right now? I think so. Okay real quick. This is probably gonna I've said this gonna be cut out a thousand times.
I never gonna be cut out So we're big fans of the Boogie Monster. Yeah, definitely okay real quick my Kyle and my Dave. I'm totally Dave sound though Sometimes sometimes I think we switch it up. I do.
I don't think either one of us are either one. I'm right now I'm Dave still live episode. Mmm I'm secret. I feel like I'm trying to keep things in line I'm just hammered and like just running off of the mountain.
I know but right now I'm secret whiskey drinks in the closet Dave sound Yeah, I'm having that often no, I know usually so the way around that's what I'm saying your column No, it's not no offense. We love you. That's your fucking drug I have more to talk about but I feel like this is one of them. No, it's winding up to a magnificent your climax Hey, listen if we go back to my original theory.
Oh shit We're at like a 10 we need to hit 11 which is the coming home. So do you wanna let me talk about this shit or you'd want to just I'm not trying around I'm not trying to around I'll close this laptop, bro I don't leave it open. I'm trying to process a border and sober up I want you to I want you to talk about that and I want to interrupt but like on an educational level I can't believe how serious you were trying to look Like like you're looking to be like like a guidance counselor telling me not to fuck Listen listen, bro. I know you want to get it in.
I know you do but now's not the time. Okay, you feel me? Yeah, I want to interrupt you. No, I think I'm making a difference I think I'm making difference with those kids.
They're not fucking as much I want to interrupt you on an educational level meaning I want you to speak. I'm gonna listen I'm all that's gonna come into this ear. Oh, you want to interject? I want to interject.
Okay. That's the correct word Okay, so where does this operation come from the subconscious right one of the experts see how much more in common right now? Go ahead one of the experts recognize Carl Jung it's a long J bra J you and G. Oh Carl Jung.
Oh, it's not why oh you and G. Oh, no, no, no is it you okay? And he got real freaky we should probably do an episode on Carl Jung later because he got all like fucking esoteric and weird later on in his life But he had some very cool ideas about the archetypes and these are archetypes of basically the human condition There's there's certain events shut the fuck up for one second. Let me get out a little bit of information I've literally bite my finger and raise my hand even tan.
No, are you even raising your hand? Damn it. Just shut up fucking 30 seconds I'm trying to get out like one sentence of information One sentence motherfucker maybe earlier when I said that I think I might have misspoke earlier when I was saying that who was a guy? So there's certain events that affect all of us.
I can't even do it now. There's certain events that affect all this according to Carl Jung These are archetypal events which I think are very critical to Mythology and the stories that we create because of what it's like to be a person So this is the basis of where his ideas come from so the basic archetypal events are birth death separation from parents initiation marriage and the union of opposites Those are the big events in someone's life that whether they realize it or not. No, you're trying to purposely not talk What I want to say is I think early when I was talking about who was I talking about? I can't understand who's the main guy fucking My brain hurts so good in the new world I think I miss spoke when I said that he was thinking that the muse comes from the subconscious when I think Jung was the one who was saying that subconscious Throughout all human beings is why the same stories are similar throughout all different cultures because yeah because they're based on the Experience of human beings aka their subconscious is creating these stories.
That's all I want to say. Sorry word word fucker What do you mean by um marriage opposition? Okay, I didn't do that though. I mean the union of opposites union of opposites.
Yeah, what do you mean by that? So like like like the Terminator becoming good you guys speak movie terms because I'm a fucking idiot That's a good question. I would have thought marriage would have been a good example of the union of opposites But it's one of the ones in the archetypal events I'm not I'm not real sure. I I don't know.
I would think marriage of opposites Like you're going this way. Oh, you see that this way is also a good way So you take the higher road well sure which is what I mean by like the Terminator becoming good like he is bad He sees that saving her saves himself, which I don't think was really a sub story line That's not about it. That's not a bad way to look at it because if she died he died I mean I was like spade like I'm I'm saving you to save myself even though I want you dead. Oh, yeah, that's good.
I like that I don't know that's all I'm trying to be smart in addition there are archetypal figures There's the the great mother father child devil god wisely man wisely woman the trickster and the hero And they're not all in one story. They're saying those are there's a possible entries in a story Now these are archetypal figures of people that we recognize in our lives So, you know, there's there's a mother and if you want to use, you know, uh, what's his name? The other guy not young the guy was talking about the beginning no brown brown edible edible complex Edifice edifice complex. Who's the other letter name his name is edifice?
Signiforoid Freud Freud. Yeah, so if you use Freudian terms mother figure father figure Uh, there's the child inside the devil inside thinking of yourself as god the the concept of the wise old man the wise old woman Which is really wise old woman wise old man mother father. Those are the same a little bit But instead of leader more like sage. Yeah, it was like father versus wizard exactly the only difference is the wand Uh, and then there's the archetypal motifs which kind of gets into the story arcs So you've got the apocalypse the deluge which is I guess the flood okay?
The apocalypse the flood creation wouldn't the flood and apocalypse be kind of the same thing or as the flood technically the apocalypse I mean the end of all where's the flood they mean? Reverth okay, correct. So that's the end and the rebirth reberth creation right? Those are the the big archetypes.
Um, there's There's the the individual archetypes. That means what each character yourself the shadow self the anima Anima like the animated non-being like as far as animation is that where that It's more like to rise from the anima the anima the anima I think are Our projection in the opposite gender. So the man is reflected in woman and is reflected in a man Okay, that makes sense. Yep, I just didn't know what this word meant.
I know the anima was so I mean a lot of those ideas Whether the the point is whether we realize them or not these are points of inspiration. Okay, I can see that You know your mother your father your mother your father disagreements between them or I mean we've Accidentally Gone to great lengths about you know our feelings about creation death the uncertain I mean I feel like those are pretty common themes throughout humanity. Oh absolutely I mean this that's kind of the point but uh young was saying that's where a lot of our inspiration comes from I mean it's just where we feel like we are in relation to the world around us the fear of everything ending for sure Yeah, I think everyone at some point thinks about like what if everything ended yeah, or uh, you know or even if one of a Vayment, I mean, yeah, like a lot of these a lot of stories can come on I mean what is like one of the most I want to say the most common movie Saying it's not probably not but like god you have forsaken me Yeah, like I mean that's a pretty fucking common saying which yeah is abandonment and it's not a father-figured man But it's like the father abandonment like right yeah, I said on the cross. Yeah, like it's You know, it's the way of you for a second.
Yeah. Oh shit. It's gonna be yeah. No.
I see the cat. It's getting late. It's not a clock Brother. I need you leave.
I don't need you leave. What maybe I don't know well, you're not bothering anything It's not like we're doing we're 215 in I mean there's probably a good 45 minutes. I'm cutting out of this Why because you're rambling. Yeah, I know it might be good I mean, I'm gonna leave it.
You should give yourself this. I'm gonna leave it most of it I'm usually pretty nervous about every single episode because you're talking most of the time. Not really you're right I don't think you're talking most of the time. I think I talk about this right here is definitely get cut out I said that like about 15 times this episode.
That's really the only part I want you to cut out I'm gonna cut out Well one thing that we haven't talked about and you know, I guess we're gonna wrap it up now because we've gone super long aka this Probably gonna be two episodes maybe but um the anti-hero Like I've never really thought about it like okay I know but when you think anti-hero, what do you think was the first thing like let's play this game anti-hero I think hero that doesn't want to be one but that's every hero doesn't want to be one eventually A lot of heroes want to be one. Well when I think anti-hero the first one that comes my head is Deadpool Mad Max is the first one comes to me. Okay, very similar from what I was researching anti-hero It's not that he doesn't want to be hero. He doesn't want to be hero, but it's that he he fights authority regardless like Well, he doesn't fit the stereotype either.
Yeah, he's not fighting authority for the better He's fighting authority just a fucking fight authority. Well, he's just to say just to say fuck you I'm not doing your way. Yeah, he's not not to help people not to make things better for anyone He's not fucking Captain America. It's for himself.
He's not a selfish hero And he's like a flaud hero. I mean, that's like the direct definition of it Okay, so I think a lot of people when they hear anti-hero they think villain because it's opposite of hero But it's not it's not villain. It's still a hero who has attributes of it. It's a hero that's it's a hero that's not a hero like that Or you can look at it as it's a villain that's the protagonist of the story.
Yes I always think of anti-hero as it's the hero that is is all about himself because most of time when you think of anti-hero or anti-hero Ooh anti-villain. Ooh Okay, this whole this whole podcast originated from me and you thinking hey, what if we can't with the whole new all new story? Whole new story that's never been invented. We haven't talked about it all.
I just fucking said it the anti-villain No, it's not possible because then you know they just know they wouldn't they wouldn't okay anti-hero does good for himself anti-villain does bad not just to do bad or not just to help himself an anti-villain Does bad to help others does Robin Hood no no no it's a fucking even raw evil Robin Hood But then then it wouldn't help others so how could you be an anti-villain? What if I know this is where we're spinning tracks We got it we got a grip in the film about this later if there can be an anti-hero there can be an anti-villain I don't know absolutely can you can't have a villain with no with uh with hero attributes Meaning qualities just like yeah, but that's an anti-hero. No an anti-hero is a hero with villain qualities There's a difference no it's a hero with flaws. Yeah with and flaws are villain qualities Okay, well then an anti-villain will be a villain without flaws think about you remember you wouldn't be a villain No, you're the watchers never the watchman.
Yeah, but it's stupid the guy who was killing all the watchmen to actually save them Oh, yeah, like I was technically a fucking anti-villain That's a vigilante but he wasn't vigilante because he was killing heroes to save the regular people from their being heroes and villains because if there's no heroes There's no superheroes and no super villains. So there's gonna be this to it. So you say what? Does somebody already be this to it?
No, I'm saying we can do it better goddamn fuck Anyways, I mean there has to be something someone's missing you'd like to think so right is there yeah exactly That's the thing like is the brain capable of thinking more? Oh, no I mean has the brain is unhinged unlimited with its thought right? That's one of those things that's stuck with me from I don't remember which one but one of the books is on and he said There's nothing new under the Sun. Well, it's almost like it's almost to the point where it's like and that was thousands of years ago When that book was written so for them to say there's nothing new under the Sun and then Xman come out fuck off You're even having seen Nightcrawler, bro But like if he can transport himself almost only through a shadow dimension it's almost to where you go What are we gonna do a marble podcast?
Okay, well, we're definitely doing marble podcast soon because me and you we're gonna go through my seven long boxes of comics and just record Yeah, just talk about it. Yeah, I'll bring like three boxes there Well, we're gonna edit out all the silence like we have to do with your pregnant pauses anyways like that They didn't even hear that pause because I cut it out, but I Don't know man. Yeah, I don't know there's there's playing more for us talk about I think about heroes and Here's I think we were super interested in this and it's gonna turn out really fucking good I think so too. I mean it doesn't end man.
It doesn't end and it's mostly because well the brain is unlimited possibilities So it's like why create something if it's not better and then all of a sudden someone goes I thought of something better and then you have the Marvel movie episodes and it's like okay Well, yeah, there's nothing gonna be better, but then there's gonna be something better one day well interactive Marvel movies That's that's the magic of art man. Yeah, it's the magic of art is humility. Yeah, the more you understand it the more you realize you don't know Exactly. That's what makes it so engaging when you're like, oh man, I fucking get it and then you think about it some more And you're like wait, I didn't get it before but now I get it and then you're like wait wait I didn't get it.
Yeah, but now I get it. Yeah, so I've got an example of that if you're willing to hear me for one second Go ahead. Do you know the red wheelbarrow by William Carlos Williams? I do not this shit has haunted me my whole fucking life I don't feel like I want you to show me now that you said that point at the screen.
It's only four stanzas Oh, it's a poem. It's poem. Oh, I love poetry hang on I almost said poetry So that's how good I like poetry this shit has mess with me pretty much my whole life I will say repeating it real quick before you start though music poetry lyrics. Mm-hmm.
They do affect me deeply There are some there are some lyrics that I think about sometimes though. I know I know it's like just hearing the words like they hit a spot I know it's magic. That's what it's art. That's what art is Johnny Cash hurt.
I know it's a cover I know but it's fucking magical something about the way he sings it I know it touches something that nothing else has ever touched inside me Just what we were talking about the ability to convey a feeling through the medium and you get it on your end It's like why some covers are better than they're like a fucking magical conduit of the movie. It's really is and it's it's one of Most profound things in human experience definitely listen to the way home But I cannot wait here this poetry because I'm a big fan of agro and Poe I love his sanzas and but go ahead. Let's hit me with it. Who does this by the way?
It may not make sense of first, but it's William Carlos Williams William Carlos Williams so much depends upon a red wheelbarrow glazed with rainwater Beside the white chickens one more time so much depends upon a red wheelbarrow glazed with rainwater beside the white chickens That it right? Yeah, okay that haunted you. Yeah because so much depends upon the red wheelbarrow next to the white chickens Right. Why why does it all depend on that?
I didn't say all depends on this is a lot of pens so much Yeah depends upon a red wheelbarrow glazed with rainwater beside the white chickens the wheelbarrow has been outside It's used constantly use for no dropping off feed Oh my god the chickens it's not that much. Why does so much depend on because they use it constantly? No, I don't know what you're saying What I'm saying is he's describing not for sure you're about to say it again That doesn't help what he's describing is that exact experience that you're talking about yeah He's talking about the experience of art. He's talking about that It's so fucking important that you understand why the fuck he's talking about a red wheelbarrow glazed with rainwater beside the white chickens Yeah, that's what he's talking about so it's literally he wrote that to explain art Yes, not to explain a wheelbarrow next to you doesn't give a fuck about any of those things I personally think a weird bar will barrel next to a chicken coop probably not the best combination you could have made isn't it?
Because it doesn't matter at all. I would think the why would anything depend on something that doesn't matter at all I would think the rain soaked black rake next to the Red where bear seriously there's a lot of ways but it no no but I seriously I would have been I know that's weird But I think I would have attached more to it if it was a fucking rake versus a fucking wheelbarrow my wheelbarrow is catching carry things I know but it's a fucking chicken coop. You're gonna be raking it out. You're gonna be raking water water is a symbol of Reverb yeah, but it's only because it's been outside overnight and do just collect it on it Yeah, we're still talking about it.
I know but it would have been better if it was almost written before 1960 I'm just saying I'm just saying I would have been what better than a wheelbarrow maybe you but that's the point I didn't get that shit for a long time But here's a lot of teachers told me this is a fucking important poem You need to understand why it is but you didn't get it until someone explained it to you No, I got it once someone explained it to you. No you you were like oh it's so important and then someone went like yeah It's about art nobody told me it was about art I promise Mmm I'm not stopped right now much doubt. I haven't you find whatever you say. I'm gonna totally go see Star Wars tomorrow I'm in a good mood.
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