In conversation: Jake Sullivan on the US and the world

Jake Sullivan, former senior foreign policy adviser to Hillary Clinton, describes the post-World War II order as “like the Parthenon” - with columns that included the United Nations, NATO, and the various Bretton Woods institutions. Now, in the age of Trump, Brexit, and China’s rise, we are entering a phase with fewer clean lines. “It’s surprising, it’s sometimes formal and sometimes informal, sometimes linear and sometimes ad hoc, sometimes shiny and sometimes not.”On 19 June, Lowy Institute Director of Digital and Senior Fellow Sam Roggeveen hosted a conversation with Hillary Clinton’s closest foreign policy confidant Jake Sullivan.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.