In conversation with Tanya Plibersek about 'Upturn: A better normal after COVID-19'

As part of Muse restaurant's literary events, I was in conversation with Tanya Plibersek about her first foray as a book editor - Upturn: A better normal after COVID-19.  About the book: COVID-19 has resulted in changes none of us could have imagined, but what happens next? In Upturn Tanya Plibersek brings together some of the country's most interesting thinkers who are ready to imagine a better Australia, and to fight for it. It is a compelling vision for a stronger economy, a fairer society and a more environmentally sustainable future. More info here.