In the Sandbox, Season 2:Episode 4 with Lisa Yebuah

In this episode of 'In the Sandbox where Creativity and Utility Meet,' hosts Matt Rawle and Rachel Billups engage in a deep, insightful conversation with Reverend Lisa Yebuah, the dynamic lead pastor of the Southeast Raleigh Table. They explore topics ranging from adaptive leadership during the pandemic, collective discernment, and the significance of unlearning hierarchical church models. Reverend Lisa shares her experiences and insights on trusting one's instincts, the importance of listening to the still small voice of God, and how focusing on black church traditions enriches their predominantly white congregation. She delves into the challenges and rewards of leading a faith community that is deeply collaborative and body-centric. Reverend Lisa also talks about the necessity of addressing ideologies within the church, rather than just differing opinions, and the importance of creating new ways of showing up in ministry. The episode concludes with thoughtful reflections on the need for grace, flexibility, and the continuous unlearning and relearning required in contemporary pastoral leadership. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:38 Lisa Yebuah's Journey and Adaptive Leadership 05:22 Collective Discernment and Community Dynamics 09:23 Embracing Humanity and Overcoming Constructs 15:16 Navigating Leadership and Community Challenges 23:13 The Role of Trust and Authority in Ministry 27:21 Guiding Principles and Community Engagement 30:37 The Role of a Pastor: Inviting vs. Instructing 32:59 The Power of Collective Faith 36:33 Navigating Leadership and Ideologies 39:53 Challenges and Masks of Tomorrow's Church 49:51 Hot Seat Questions: Fun and Personal Insights 54:59 Final Thoughts and Blessings Find Lisa: IG: https://www.instagram.com/petite_pastor/ Website: https://seraleightable.org/southeast-raleigh-table-home/about-us/ About Hub4Innovation: The Hub4Innovation is a place where leaders are given permission to experiment, innovate, and take bold steps towards the future of the church. We encourage leaders to break through barriers, make risky moves, and play with the question, “What if?” Join Matt Rawle and Rachel Billups, thought leaders and spiritual movers, on the “In the Sandbox” podcast, where they are interviewing leaders of the faith, and exploring bold and innovative new ways to lead and make big impact on our communities. Find us on: Instagram: @hub4innovation Website: hub4innovation.org