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EPISODE · Nov 26, 2025 · 16 MIN

INBW43: Five Baskets of Thank Yous to Hand Out, Along With a Plug for Big Demand Curve Energy

from Relentless Health Value

It will take a village to transform healthcare. Stacey Richter says this so often it is taped to her wall on a Post-It. This Thanksgiving Inbetweenisode is her chance to say thank you to the people actually building that village — and to make the case, with a detour through a drunk blacksmith charity auction, that the demand curve is the most underappreciated concept in healthcare reform. This is a solo episode hosted by Stacey Richter, with short audio clips from community members including Cora Opsahl of 32BJ Health Fund, Shane Cerone of Kada Health, Chris Skisak of the Houston Business Coalition on Health, Rob Marty, Chris Deacon of VerSan Consulting, and Vivian Ho, PhD. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN ✅ Why Stacey calls 2025 the lowest point for basic civility and integrity she has seen in 25-plus years in healthcare — and why community, not individual heroics, is the antidote ✅ What the narcissism of small differences costs the healthcare reform movement, and why Winston Churchill's line about fighting with allies versus without them applies directly to this tribe ✅ Why effective collaboration will be the next breakthrough innovation — and why members of the RHV tribe do not need Stacey as an intermediary to connect with each other ✅ Why there is no healthcare market without a demand curve — and who actually has to be that demand curve for 160 million Americans covered by employer-sponsored insurance ✅ Why independent clinicians, indie practices, and others who offer real alternatives matter to market function: competition is a prerequisite for a market to rationalize prices and quality WHY THIS MATTERS The secret to a fulfilled life, Stacey quotes, is relationships, purpose, and service. This community exists at the intersection of all three. The demand curve argument is not abstract: without purchasers — self-insured employers and unions — actively using their buying power to reward value over volume, there is no market mechanism to rationalize hospital prices, drug prices, or anything else. The tribe is not just a podcast audience. It is the demand curve. === LINKS === 🔗  Show Notes with all mentioned links:   https://cc-lnk.com/INBW43 ✉️  Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe 🫙  Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe 🎤  Listen on Apple Podcasts  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/feed/id892082003?ls=1 🎤  Listen on Spotify  https://open.spotify.com/show/6UjgzI7bScDrWvZEk2f46b 📺  Subscribe to our YouTube channel   https://www.youtube.com/@RelentlessHealthValue === CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === ✭ LinkedIn   https://www.linkedin.com/company/relentless-health-value/ ✭ Threads  https://www.threads.net/@relentlesshealthvalue/ ✭ Bluesky   https://bsky.app/profile/relentleshealth.bsky.social ✭ X   https://twitter.com/relentleshealth/ 01:25 First thank you: to those who do not succumb to healthcare narcissism. 01:36 INBW39 with Stacey. 02:51 INBW37 with Stacey. 03:00 EP399 and EP400 with Stacey. 05:40 Second thank you: to those willing to pay it forward. 05:53 EP489 with Dan Greenleaf. 08:12 EP452 with Cora Opsahl. 08:38 Third thank you: to those who aid the demand curve in healthcare. 09:14 EP490 with Shane Cerone and Sam Flanders, MD. 09:16 EP491 with Elizabeth Mitchell. 09:17 EP492 with Sam Flanders, MD, and Shane Cerone. 09:49 Why healthcare needs a demand curve. 13:34 Fourth thank you: to those who have contributed financial support to the Relentless Health Value podcast. 15:47 The final thank you: to the listeners.

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