Incentives Matter

from The Secret Podcast · host Jonathan V. Last and Catherine Rampell

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.thebulwark.comSarah is away, so Catherine Rampell sat down with JVL to talk about the Epstein emails, Trump’s new ways of paying off his friends, and what life is like at The Bulwark. It’s a pretty fun show!The Secret Podcast with JVL and Sarah is exclusively for members of Bulwark+. To watch or listen to future episodes and join the Secret community in the comments become a Bulwark+ member today.

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