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A lot of people think Independence Day was the day we kicked out the British officially informed our country. No, it's the day we also fought off the aliens. The first real scary alien invasion ever had. This is a bizarrely influential movie.
It happens as the summer blockbuster is evolving from speed and Jurassic Park and we hit 96 and all of a sudden we get Twister of Mission Impossible and Independence Day and it's just Hollywood's kind of figuring this out. But Independence Day figures out a couple of things. Human interest stuff, a big-ass star to lead it, load up on the supporting cast, really blow it out and just do this right. And it's aged really well.
Chris, do you think this has been the model now for all these Marvel movies we've been getting in the last 10 years? Is this where it all starts? There's a lot of evidence for that, right? There's this sense of humor, which I think that they've brought over to the Marvel thing.
Maybe not exactly, but that kind of like somewhat improvisatory, all the Goldblum Smith stuff and all the banter there. And then also like the stakes are pretty huge. Like obviously they can't get any bigger than whether or not the planet is going to survive. So yeah, I definitely think it has a lot to do with what came after it starting around 2008 when Marvel really took off.
Shay, this has everything you want in a movie? I don't know what's missing. Everything. The only thing that's missing is that I wish at the time we had the technology to do two Will Smiths and just put in another Will Smith.
It's the only thing I was missing. I just love every single part of this movie. Which character would you replace with another Will Smith? Oh, I would just add a second.
We have two fighter pilots now. Like he's twin brother, but it's just the same character. It's Jim and I, man. Just fucking keep cranking out the wheels.
Yeah, well, let's start with Will Smith. I don't know what his most likable performance is, but I think what's great about this one is he's got the low usage rate. You know, he gets all his shots. He finishes like 16 for 20.
He gets to 40 points. He triple doubles it, but he's not in the movie. It's Hunt. And when I was rewatching, I was like, man, there's just a lot of people in this movie.
And then every time Will Smiths in it, he kills, but you buy him as this guy who could save the world. And I think Chris, this transforms his career as bad boys started it. And then this cements it, where this is going to be the biggest movie star we have. Late spring, 95 is bad boys.
July, 96 is independent state. July, 97 is men in black. And it's just like, there's, it's hard to explain to anybody wasn't there. Like how, what a total, like super watt, supernova mega star got born in that, that run right there.
But somebody that we had a history with going back to the late 80s. So it was, we got to watch it. It's like, it's like getting to see tape of a prospect coming into the NBA, but then like this is when he goes to the finals three years in a row. And you left that enemy of the state.
That's just like right after men in black. And that was a banger too, four in a row. Yeah. I don't know if sweaty Jean Hackman completely took like the zeitgeist away that men in black can.
Shae, is he your favorite movie star? I don't know if he's my favorite favorite. I think Denzel still beats him, but Will Smith is in my, he's in my top five for sure. Like just people, I will go watch him movie because he's in it.
It doesn't matter how many bad ones he makes in a row. It doesn't matter when they were like, oh, we're going to redo Aladdin and he's going to be the genie. I was like, well, I'm going to go watch that today. It comes out.
And then I went and watched that today. I love him. I had, I was like, you guys, like I knew him first as up. He was a sitcom star.
I was watching Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Then I found out he was a rapper. And then I went and listened to his albums. And then he starts doing movies.
And when he did Bad Boys too, I was like, oh, this is the best. This is the best thing I've ever seen in my life. And then he comes back with Independence Day. Same as you, Bill.
I remember this in my head as a Will Smith movie. And then you go back and you rewatch it and you realize he's not the main guy in it. He's just, he's just, he's just the one who you're drawn to the most, which is crazy. When you look at the cast list on here and you're like, this new guy is the one that you want to see more than everybody else.
Every single scene he shows up in, you can't do anything except stare at him. And they also, they stumble, well, it's intentionally, but they stumble into this Will Smith Goldblum thing that they're setting up kind of, they're moving in two separate cars toward the same, the same section of the movie, but you don't realize it. And then they're thrown together. And it's like, oh, in the middle of all this, now this is, I would totally watch just this movie with these guys like a buddy cop movie.
That's the genius of this movie is that it's a buddy cop movie, it's a war movie, it's a sci-fi movie, and it's a disaster movie all at the same time. And they spend an inordinate amount of time building up these human relationships. So did you actually might have sort of caring about like the Mary McDonald's, the Judd Hershey's, the other tertiary characters? Vivica Fox, a strip joint, like what happened to that?
Did it survive? This was the second highest grossing movie ever, up to that point, 1996 Jurassic was first. And it's off. Roland Emmerich said, he did an oral history about the speech, which I know Shane might have a thought or seven on.
But he said it's holding up very well, Independence Day, because it has all these very simple human stories. And he said, Dean, the guy he worked on the movie with, and I met with Steven Spielberg after the film because he wanted to be involved with the ride, which never happened. But he said to us, quote, you guys change something. There's something different now.
Everybody has to see a summer movie differently. And I knew exactly what he meant, which was combining very big images with very humanized stories. And he meant it at the time he was shooting Lost World. And he said, we're changing the script now.
So this is the 25th anniversary of this movie. But it's also the 25th anniversary of the kind of a voila moment, it seems like. And now how many have we had, Chris? Like, are we over 50 of these kind of movies, 50?
Yeah, I mean, there was a whole row of disaster movies that came after this that I think that they tried to recapture the magic. And and even Emmerich himself, to very degrees. Yeah, Emmerich himself. Oh, she likes Deep Impact.
He won't admit it, but I don't deep down. He likes it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Elijah Wood, give to me.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, Chris, I interrupted you. No, not at all. I mean, it's just this this movie kind of like, I don't think I'd ever seen destruction on this scale when I saw this movie. Like, you know, there were disaster movies, there's beside adventure.
There's there's big movies where like incredible set pieces happen and maybe people lose their lives. But like, I remember, like still pretty vividly, like seeing the White House and the Empire State Building get lasered. And just, there's only like, how would there's like 15 times you're like, I've never seen that before, you know? And it does, you know, really cook your pasta when you see it.
Well, you think like there's it's like the 20 year nostalgia thing, right? Where my generation grew up with like these weird movies, like Towering Inferno and all the airport movies, which was that era's version of disaster movies and then airplane came out and made fun of all of them and did multiple sequels. And then that era kind of died for a while. Yeah, 80s hostage movies is like, you know, we basically keep it to Nakatomi Plaza, that kind of thing.
Yeah, it was like in fine terrorist movies, basically. And then everybody ripped off speed for eight years and we had under siege and under siege too. And we go through all that. And then with this movie, and really, it kind of starts here before it was species, where they're like aliens, what if they came back and started fucking with us?
Well, that's like, there's like, there are things in Jurassic Park that you can kind of see getting transferred over, which Goldbloom essentially plays the same character, you know? But there are moments in Jurassic Park and I think also Jurassic Park being conceived in its inception as this is a blockbuster. This is people are going to have the bunch box, people are going to see this movie five or six times, it's going to become a ride, it's going to become a lifestyle for people. That's the same thing that happened with Independence Day, but Independence Day almost is like messier the way it does it, because I think you have to have like, it's a leap of faith to be like, will people really be okay watching thousands, millions of people get killed by aliens and nuclear weapons dropped on them by their own president?
And it turns out we were very okay with it. I remember, I had been bartending for like, probably a month at a new place, so I was working all the time. And this came out and I didn't have time to see it right away. And it was like, oh, Tuesday I'll go like three o'clock.
And it's like, just nice, easy action movie just going there. And it's just you leave it. You're like, Jesus Christ, it's like a life experience. You got to see the way up the big screen and all these different things and Pullman's speech.
I'm in some theater in like, revere with, you know, by other people, by itself. You're in an Air Force recruitment office. We got to stop these aliens, but it was just really, really satisfying. And then really imitated over and over again.
We had two different, what was Deep Impact? What was the other one that was happening at the exact same time? Yeah, Deep Impact versus Armageddon. And just people started doing this in all these different ways.
Let's talk about it. Yeah, I mean, obviously people know this because they've seen all the Batman DC movies and like the Marvel movies, but you basically can't get away with making one of those movies without being like, and then New York City gets vaporized or this country gets thrown on top of another country by a superhero. So we've become accustomed to it, but it was pretty groundbreaking at the time. Yeah, I remember with Godzilla, which I did not like that was the first time I was like, Oh, this is kind of Independence Day's fault.
Yeah, we're heading this way now. And the same director. Yeah. Yeah.
And I think one of the things I liked about this movie and especially on the rewatch, the special effects are good. They don't feel like too good. You know, they feel very rooted in the 90s. They're realistic, but it's not like now where we can just kind of do anything.
And it almost, I lose the sense of kind of the whale factor because it just seems like anything is possible in 96. Anything wasn't possible. And you see some of this stuff and like, wow, I didn't even it was a little like when we talked about Terminator two and some of the stuff that was going on with Robert Patrick and then we were like, wow, we can do that in a movie. And I do feel like that was the case with this movie.
And that's been lost over the last 25 years, the wow factor of the first time with this movie. Yeah, it feels so cool when you're watching it to see Will Smith climb up on the ship and open the hatch and then the alien comes out and you're like, Oh, he was really on the ship that they made. And that's a real alien that was coming out that he punches. It just, it feels a little more tactile.
Yeah. And that is Chris. Another moment like that is when New York's about to get destroyed when the ship shows up over New York and the cop stops his cop car and all the cars hit the back car and then the truck hits the cop car. And that's that's pretty real.
Like that one like car sequence is real, even though that all the alien stuff obviously is CGI. And also even the stuff where a lot of people gathering in a place, right? They really use real people. Now they would just fake off it.
The fact that we've had so much UFO shit in real life recently. Where's your head at with that, change how you watch it. So like in 96, it's like, Oh shit, they're going with area 51. And the 90s in general, there was X file.
There was a little fun refascination with that all alien thing. And it was a little like, God, do you believe it? You would talk about it when you're out wherever. But you never really knew.
But now in the last two years, we found out a lot of what we find out. Not hide in this. We have a lot of unexplained unexplained unidentified flying objects that we don't know what the fuck they are. The Navy and Air Force.
Can we talk about this for a second? Yeah, let's do it. That would really happen that somebody would bring this up. I totally am open to the idea that we are not alone in the universe.
But what I don't understand is how we can have such great quality footage of everything in existence, except for aliens. Yeah. And then the aliens are the ones that we have like the blurry photo that may or may not be a UFO. Yeah.
But for everything else, it's just like, no, no, no, here, we can we can slow this down and watch campaigns hand touch a basketball for a split second. You can't catch that one spaceship that flew over a camera at the sky. It's always like a guy with a Polaroid that like it didn't quite develop. Shay, but most of these happen not in Texas, but somewhere near Texas, right?
Yeah, Southwest is a big alien frenzy place. I don't know what is going on. The thing that always made me laugh about that is when I was younger, I was like super interested in all of this stuff. And I was like, you would get books from the library and they would have still pictures in there.
And you're like, oh, that's definitely a UFO or whatever. And then yeah, as we've moved further and further along now, everybody has an HD camera in their pocket. We've gotten less and less of those. And that makes me feel like maybe those aren't maybe those original ones aren't real.
I don't know. Maybe part of me also, I think is resistant to the ideas of aliens visiting or aliens existing because other than E.T. at close encounters, we just don't have a ton of good alien experiences in pop culture. They're more often than not out bursting through your chest.
Like an alien. So I'm not going to show up. I want a Mac and me experience. I don't want an arrival experience.
Starman was good for that. Starman's heart was in the right place. Do aliens bring up aliens? Are they like, dad, do you think aliens exist?
Yeah, it's weird because for the tic-tac generation, you would think it would have a whole run. I feel like it hasn't totally happened yet. But in this movie, when they go to Area 51, and they really go for it in the movie. It's like, we got to go down 24 floors, they get the crazy doctor.
And it's like, let me show you the ship. And it's like, here are the aliens in jar cases. And you're just like, is this, you think this is really what it's like? And now I kind of feel like maybe Area 51 existed.
I've watched this movie. I don't know how many times, but this was the first time I watched it where I was like, oh, that's probably the home here. I feel like we're so far along, just so far into the internet and down the internet hole that if aliens did show up, like an indisputable proof, an alien pulls up right outside my house right now and like comes down and is walking around in my backyard or in somebody's backyard. I feel like there would be three or four minutes only of everybody freaking out and then immediately be on Twitter and we'd be making fun of it.
And we'd be like, oh, there's what it looks like when you're out to your friends. And it's like a picture of an alien doing a weird pose. Like, I think we would go straight into that. People would zag on aliens.
They'd be like, this is a disappointment. Aliens are overrated. Well, we can catch James Harden coming out of a gentleman's club at three in the morning with a cell phone, but never an alien. Not once.
Can't get that one alien who's just like, I haven't float around here in New Jersey. So this was a weird era from movies where they decided every alien had to look as just bizarre and crazy as possible. It's the 80s. It goes to the 90s.
It's not just like Robert Patrick where being able to just put a cop suit on. It has to be like tentacles and weird faces and make them as crazy as possible. Yeah. A lot of white aliens.
A lot of movies used in this movie. Yeah. Seriously. Best Presidents ever in a movie.
I was going to get to this in Apex Mountain. But yeah, I've litigated this before. I just wanted to tell America yet again. I don't know what the Mount Rushmore is.
I don't know if we're allowed to cross as it movies, NTV, as it just movies, whatever. But if it's just movies, I think the four most important movie Presidents were Michael Douglas, an American president, which we did on this podcast. Kevin Klein and Dave, Pullman and Independence Day. And then the four spot is really wide open for what you want.
That's like where you can learn more about almost the individual person who their four spot is. For me, it's Jeff Bridges and the contender because I just feel like I just wish that was my president. Jeff Bridges and the contender. I liked how he carried himself.
He just seemed very presidential. But other people would have Morgan Freeman a deep impact or who do you have, Chris? Who's your fourth? Well, I mean, you got a special dispensation for Jeb Borler from West Wayne, even though I know that there's- It doesn't count.
It's got to be movies. Okay. Because if you've grown then, then I want Haysburg from 24, too. I thought he was amazing.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, I kind of think I feel like Haysburg and Bartlett really have a shot at being on Rushmore then. No question. TV, movie, Rushmore.
I think both of them have really strong case. Do you like any film representation of Kennedy a lot worth putting it on there? No, it's been more, I think, more- Fictional presidents. Yeah, it's never really worked.
Not Daniel Day Lewis being like, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. Who's your fourth? I have a whole different fourth than what you presented.
My fourth looks totally different than what you were saying. Every name you threw out there was a little surprise. I have, I have Independence Day president on my fourth. He's in there.
But I also have Harrison Ford in Air Force One. Yeah. I like a president that can fight. Sure.
So give me him, give me Jamie Foxx in White House down because I want to get these done. White House down. And give me more agreement. He's great.
He's great in that. And you haven't jenning Tatum taking out the bad guys. Kevin Klein taught us how to redo a budget and Dave. He healed America.
What are you putting value on? Do you actually want him to legislate? Like, do you actually want like actual work being done or do you just want somebody to give a cool speech of aliens show up? Every time a president shows up in a movie, it's because some bad shit is happening.
So I want somebody who can handle himself. I haven't heard your feelings. I've only seen White House down once. Do I need to double back and try that one again?
Yeah, definitely. It's better than you remember. It's also sillier than you remember. It's like super silly to watch now.
I like it in the theater, but I just, that was it. It was so ridiculous. Partial to Olympus is falling. Yeah, that's fair.
That whole set of movies go for it. So Paulman did some stuff in this movie. First of all, for the first 45 minutes, you're like, how the fuck was this guy the president? What's going on here?
Is he doing like an indie movie? What's happening? Why is this so understated? He doesn't seem very presidential.
And then the second half of the movie, he rises to the occasion. I don't know if that was a deliberate move by him or what happens, but the speech becomes the iconic moment of the movie and he crushes it. Also, I love the fact that he goes and fights, which is great. I just really like him.
And he's, I think after this movie, Chris, we thought he was probably going to be like an A plus lister, right? It seemed like there was going to be, and it kind of never happened. He seemed like he was in the Harrison Ford zone of that. Yeah, like the new Harrison Ford.
Rugged Lee handsome leading man. And he's just, and he's had a really good career as being like kind of a journeyman character actor and he's on the center or whatever. But like, yeah, it never really like popped off on like a full, he's like a movie star movie star thing. Shae, I'm going to give you his next movies after Independence Day.
Go for it. Lost highway. The end of violence. Same thing I want.
Merry Christmas, George Bailey, which was a TV movie. Zero effect, Lake Placid. There it is. And broke down palace.
He's so good. Lake Placid just in general is so good. Lake Placid's fucking rules. I really do like Lake Placid, but he just, he never, it never happened.
He never had like, you know, this had been costner in the late 80s. He, you know, he does no way out, but then all the sun is in a touchable field of dreams and it's just kind of going. Lake Placid is one of those movies that you could show someone now and you just, like you guys don't understand, Pullman, Oliver Platt, Richard Fonda, and they would just be like, the only person I recognize in this movie is Betty White. There's some Mariska Hargatane in Lake Placid as well.
Pullman is, is a hard movie star to like figure out because the stuff that he does that he's good at is not the stuff we're used to people being good at. Like he's good in those empty moments. He's good in the like little looks. He's good in a quick, like, let me get a quick joke off that you didn't realize was a joke until it detonates in the back of your head a few seconds later.
That's why he's so perfect in Lake Placid because he's able to play up all of those things. That's why when he shows up here, you're kind of like, he's a little wormy to be the president, but then he really turns it on at the end. You're like, oh, I get it. I get it now.
He has, there's a genuine quality about him. Like in Sleepless in Seattle, Meg Ryan is basically like, hey, not only are we not getting engaged, there's this guy I've been emailing with, and I'm going to go meet him on the top of the tower. I think I'm in love with them. He's like, cool, follow your heart.
There's that like, wait, fuck you. Maybe I'll ruin my hair different. He has Malice, which I think Malice is a really good movie out of all of him. And he's kind of the husband that doesn't, but I don't want to spoil it, but he's kind of of the same guy in every movie.
And maybe there's only like a six, seven year shelf life for that would be my theory. If you wrote Pullman and other things, do you think we could get it into the Amazon bestseller list? I think we could do it. I think so.
The speech never really made that this is the Jumbotron era of speeches and NBA games when these movies go to another level with Braveheart and some of these other ones. This one never made the Jumbotron era because it's about human destruction. It just sort of been weird to play when you're up one with 20 seconds. It has no relationship to fucking basketball.
That's right. But same kind of inspiring. He builds, he's got all the people captivated around him. And then he does the we will not go quietly into that night.
Yeah, we will not vanish without a fight. And it's just like you're so fired up by the end of it. I feel like the Sixers might have blown an opportunity when Ben Simmons was really, really falling apart in those last two home games. Maybe you should throw independence day on the monitor, Chris.
I've been to basketball games where they put that on and you actually listened to the speech like this has no relevance to the one I'm actually seeing. But Shay, you did a thing. Didn't you do a thing in your book about movie speeches? I vaguely remember.
I'm sure I did. Yeah. So I think you did something about this speech. Didn't you?
Am I imagining this? I don't know if I did. I should have you wrote about it for Greatly and I feel like you did a thing about the speech. Listen, I love it.
I love it. It makes me excited when he gets to yelling. This is again, he starts out quiet and soft and then he turns it on at the end. And you keep falling for it every time he does it.
When he decides to like, I'm going to go fight aliens in this jet. At that point, you're like, well, I believe it, because I just saw the other part. Let's fucking go. We're going to be all right.
Emric said that he said, he talked to Pullman for the movie and Pullman said, I'm going to play this a little bit like a John Wayne figure, maybe a little bit unsure of himself. But at the end, he's very sure of what he has to do. And then while then one of the people behind the scenes of the movie said, Hollywood, I thought this was a really good point. Hollywood over the decades has had this very interesting relationship with presidents.
And Hollywood's often portrayed the presidents it wish it had. Liberal Hollywood usually felt uncomfortable in some way with Bill Clinton personally. A lot of liberals in Hollywood thought Bill Clinton was a Compromiser. And so Bill Pullman caught up there and told it like it is, said what he really thought, which everyone dreamed the real president would do.
It is funny when this happens because people in 96, they were so disappointed in the first four years of Clinton, like they just the potential of him versus where we were. And it is funny when that kind of bleeds in a real life. Like his first scene with Connie, she's just like, remember when you had ideals and now it's just like politics and it's like, yeah, kind of how government works. It's not just like you can just walk in and be like, I don't know how they would have done Independence Day in 2020 would have been interesting with our president.
I'm surprised Trump's not in this movie. He's really quick. Yeah. The film, it won the Academy Award for Best Visual Effects, was nominated for Academy Award for Best Senate.
Went at Grammy for its score. It had a $75 million budget. It made $817 million. What do you think Chris Ryan thought?
What do you think Roger Eber thought of this movie, Chris Ryan? Grudgingly accepted it. So probably like two and a half stars. Two and a half stars.
Okay. From Raj. He incredible. He thought the special effects are elaborate and pervasive, but they aren't outstanding.
But such a snob sometimes, right? We have a $75 million budget that made $817 million. So there you go. I think I said that already.
We're going to not take a break. We're going to do today's most rewatchable scene presented by Blue Moon. Now that things are up a bit, it's been great to get out to some of my favorite bars and restaurants for a bite and beer. I actually have been doing that.
It feels incredible to be back in place. You know, I kind of like a Blue Moon. It's going to be great every time, especially when it's in a frosty pint glass with that signature orange garnish, celebrate responsibly Blue Moon Brewing Company, Golden Colorado ale. What's interesting about this movie is I had one rewatchable scene through the first 45 minutes.
A lot of character development, Jay. A lot. We're really, really getting some backgrounds. You don't think you're fine.
You think this movie wasn't too long? No, I think it was 30 minutes too short. That's how I feel about it. The scene where Will is waking up and doing like his morning routine, that should have been 40 minutes just like I'm doing that.
I had for most rewatchable scene. First one, the spaceship arrives and everybody's like, wait, that and it's just gigantic. I've tried to imagine like, I don't feel like the people were scared enough just at really any point in this movie. Like, I'm in Boston right now.
If just this giant spaceship just kind of hovered over the entire city and made everything dark, I'm positive I would be scared. You would want to be like, you think you're better than me. I like the special fix though. The next one is Goldblum weren't in the president about what's really going on.
I know why we have satellite disruption. All right, go ahead. Okay. Let's say that you want to coordinate with spaceships on different sides of the Earth.
I couldn't send a direct signal, right? You're talking about line of sight. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
It's actually defensive. You need satellites to relay that signal in order to reach each ship. I found a signal hidden inside our own satellite system. Right as the welcome wagon got demolished and you knew the guy was in trouble.
It was like, how many black characters are in this movie shape? Like five? None of you is like, oh, that pilot. He's dying.
So they the welcome wagon, which for some reason, they're not scared enough either. Nobody's scared of this giant spaceship. It's very bizarre. One issue I have with this movie is that nobody ever questions the orders they're given.
They're just kind of like, I guess I got to go fly to this spaceship. Hopefully I can win with my small plane against a 15 mile spaceship. Next one I have for rewatchable. Time's up.
When the clock goes down, Goldblum says time's up. Everything starts blowing up, everything. Every single thing in the movie is blowing up. Somehow, you know, the dog's going to survive though.
We'll watch hundreds of thousands of people blow up in two minutes, but that fucking white lab is making it. The next one is the aborted Air Force attack. Will Smith's just on fire. Oh, no, you don't shoot that brain shit at me.
We get hair kind of junior dies. We get the parachute move and then we get in punching the alien. Welcome to Earth. Shaken.
I had this later. I'll do it now. Can aliens really get concussed like that? What's the ruling?
If Will Smith punches you. Yes. All of the stuff we're going to talk about for me, it all leans toward Will Smith. Like any best scene is going to have him in there.
That stretch you're talking about there. When I watched this the first time I was 15, 16 years old or whatever, it was the like the single coolest thing I had ever seen ever ever. The coolest guy on the planet. He's a fighter pilot.
He's not afraid of these. He's not only not afraid of the aliens. He's talking shit to him. That's the thing, which I always appreciated.
I'm a big Reggie Miller guy. He beats him in an air fight, gets out, tells him that's what you get. That's what you get, motherfucker. Goes to the ship punches him.
He gives him two one-liners, not one. Welcome to Earth. Welcome to Earth. I thought of another one and then he does another one and then he's dragging him through the desert and he's talking shit to him.
It's just like a one-man show. That's where Will Smith becomes when he's dragging that alien across the flax. He's just like, what's that smell? That's amazing.
That's the moment. That's the moment when you're like, this guy will be in my life forever. You know, this was supposed to be my week at all. I knew you got me out here dragging your heavy ass through the burning desert.
But your dreadlocks sticking out the back of my parachute. You've got to come down here with an attitude. Hacking all big and bad. And what the hell is that smell?
What current NBA star could have pulled off that entire Will Smith sequence? Trey Young? Oh, you're like, shit talking. Like you said, Reggie Miller, he's retired.
I feel like it's Trey Young. It's definitely not Ben Simmons. Would you send James Cameron to the aliens? Jay Crater gets a flagrant one.
Yeah. Next one is the Area 51 scene. It's good. I always like it's like where there's a secret room or a secret building and you have to go down.
You have to go. There's a staircase or an elevator down a great step. Yeah, a little Adam Baldwin. Yeah.
Little Adam Baldwin. It's like, oh, this guy. Opening the aliens head I had as a rewatchable scene when all of a sudden there's that other alien. It's a little Quato, total recall, tiny bit.
Yeah. Got the second one in there and then he's just not friendly. That's my takeaway. Not a friendly second.
He's talking through the humans. Die. And then they goes, this glass bulletproof. Boom.
And then people don't know this about me and Greenwald, but on the watch, he actually has his fingers wrapped around my voice box. And he talks about my takes. Yeah. The speech, which is my vote for most rewatchable.
We're fighting for our right to live to exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday. But as the day when the world declared in one voice, we will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight.
We're going to live on. We're going to survive. Today, we celebrate our Independence Day. Paulman said, basically they filmed it.
They didn't, they were going to edit the speech, but they didn't, they'd forgotten to do the final edits on it. So then Paulman just did it and it was written a little longer. And he crushed it. And a lot of the first take of the speech is just what the movie is.
And one of the things that they talk about is like when they're cutting around to the people watching it, their reactions are pretty genuine because they're in real life going like, oh, Paulman's kind of killing this. So they're kind of like watching it as he's doing it. And then they're reacting and they were smart enough to keep it. Devlin said, the only thing we changed from that rough draft was we added at the last minute of the line today, we celebrate our Independence Day because the studio was starting to change the title to doomsday.
And we thought, let's get Independence Day into the speech. As you know, Chris, as I've said a million times, I love in the title. It's in the movie. Yeah, but it's also when the title is in the movie and also the date of the movie's release.
Like how it's the trifecta. They crushed it all the way across three more rewatchable scenes. Will takes off in the plane and it actually goes backward and we get him in gold bloom and gold blooms like what the fuck's he has to flip the right flies out. And I just I just like being in the plane with us.
Nope. Nope. Oops. Oops.
Oops. What's that mean? What do you mean? I got some jerk.
What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Oops there.
What do you say? We tried out one again, huh? Yes. Yes.
Yes. Without the oops. And then they nailed the they nailed the comeback landing. Great job.
Great. Great camera work. I like Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum. Jeff Goldblum, the only guy in Hollywood other than maybe Clint Eastwood, who's as Paul as Will Smith, who walked back.
So it's not like a new pole mugsie boke situation. They're smoking the cigars. We get the ladies running to them. It's like, you know, I think Top Gun did it the best, but this is really, really way up there.
Shane, do you have any other favorite? The good guys have landed. I agree that there is a one better spaceship landing. Good guys have returned to Earth moment.
What is it? Are we going to say Armageddon? Yeah. Yeah.
That's what I was going to throw out there. Give me that one too. Give us a fourth for Mount Rushmore. Well, it's definitely Armageddon Independence Day and Top Gun.
That's three. Shane, of the good guys after they land coming back. I think of like an airplane hijacking type movie. Somebody's got to make it now.
You got for Captain Phillips up there? All right. What do you have for us to watch? We'll see.
You know, I tip my hand a little bit here with the Will Smith thing. That's going to be my pick because I just just just watching him in the desert is so much fun. It's like the one clip you can I can go from this movie and watch it on YouTube. Somebody did like a really great thing where they because they happen separate from each other, but they take the air fight and then the desert scene and they stitch them together.
So it's just like one three minute video. You can watch just the Will Smith part, which I love. The speech is really great, but I treat the speech the same way I treat like the big reveal and knives out where I can't only watch that. I have to watch everything leading up to it so that it feels how it's supposed to feel.
So I can't just go watch this speech, but I do want to say the part where everything blows up, the first time you see it, especially again, I was 15, 16 years old and this happens. I'm able to like watch on the screen and recognize the places that we're talking about. Yeah. I'm in high school.
So I'm like, oh, the White House is like this sacred building that where nothing bad can happen. And then you watch to explode. They do the White House, the Capitol Building, Empire State Building, Statue of Liberty. And these are like places you recognize as a child and it's so wild to watch them get going.
That part, it was just like, holy fucking shit. This is, I don't know. Like you're you're pressed to the back of your seat in the theater watching this crazy thing. It felt real in that moment, you know?
Yeah. It's like, it's weird. It's now living in LA for a while. You recognize so much of the LA stuff when when Vivica's trying to get out of LA LA.
She's like stuck in that tunnel downtown when she's she's when she's the flames come through and boomer in her and then Dylan go into the maintenance closet. But yeah, I think for me, the rewatchable scene is still the speech. And it's it's both because of the speech. It's also because like right before that, he's like, I'm gonna fly a plane to which is like, that's sick.
The president is also gonna fly. And then he does this speech just like, even last day, I watched the speech and I was like, I'm gonna go pick up some litter. Like, I want to go contribute. I want to do something.
Pick up some litter. The director Roland Emory, he does this and like, he's got a lot of movies where he blows shit up. So he does it here. We mentioned Godzilla.
He does it in the day after tomorrow. He does it in 2012. Like, he's so good at showing you a thing and then exploding it and making you feel something. I wonder how I would love to know like, how that became like his signature thing.
Like, what's he like? What's he like to watch like game five of the Clipper Sun series with? He's just blowing up the arena. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was like, I really threw explosions. Nick's son's arena. Great to blow that up. He's just like, wow, that was the basketball court, which is low straight up where you're like, hey, settle down, Roland.
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Wonderful. This is now in the 60 minutes is doing UFO pieces. You mentioned, I just love Wilson and dragon, the concussed alien body fucking kills me. It's funny every time.
I don't know what with every time. It's just really good. It's inspired. I can't believe somebody thought of it.
It's just great stuff. The Austin Powers movies, where they do the staring in the sky kind of scared and in awe, joke of just wait, what's that? Is that somebody's? And then it's cuts the next person's like, yeah, it's clearly ripped off from this movie.
But it may when I see the staring in the sky, I was thinking the Austin Powers thing, you mentioned the cast loaded Gold Bloom Hirsch, Robert Logio, my guy, Bill Pullman, James Redporn. I was just going to say we're going to have a big that guy litigation with him later, Randy Quaid, uh, Margaret Colin, who we'll talk about in one second, um, Vivk Fox iconic, your guy, uh, your guy Baldwin, Adam Baldwin, right? And then obviously Will Smith, but really, really good cast. Margaret Colin, I, I, I feel like it didn't totally happen for the way it should have.
It's upsetting to me. So what happens after an independent stay for her? So here's what really, I went and studied her IMDB. I think she got, she got a market corrected by ER is what happened.
Okay. So just give you some background. Um, 1994, NBC's making ER, CBS is making Chicago hope. These are two medical dramas set in Chicago, both trying to do the modern version of St.
Elsewhere. Right. And it's clear one of them is going to be a hit and you just don't know which one. And it becomes ER, but she is one of the people in Chicago.
Hope. Can we just say it's basically like she at least should have been Julian and Margolis, but you know, Margolis ends up in the RER does better. Chicago hope was good too. It was really good.
Potankin, Margaret Colin, Pete Berg was on that show, right? I'm going to, I'm going to read you the cast right now. Um, yeah, you had that. Potankin was the star.
Adam Arkin, that's right. Hector Lozando, fresh off of a couple of years after Pretty Women. They're just really doing some great stuff with Roberts, uh, Bonnie Curtis Hall, always liked him. Christine Lottie, Mark Carman, just in our girl, Carla Gino, it was in there for the last go.
That's right. That's right. But, um, it just was always in the ER shadow, but I was really like her. I think she's really good in this movie.
She's good in like, she's in V, a couple years ago. She's awesome. I'm like, I wish she had done more movies, but she's, she's pretty cool. She's got some good scenes in Unfaithful, which I know she probably hasn't seen a guy in lane.
That's what it's about. I'm talking about affairs. I like her. Uh, another one stage the best.
The, the, this is it. I think independence, they, I don't know if it invented it, but it perfected it. The aggrieved guy who's in charge of something who it's the scene starts out where they're walking and he's like, this better be good. Yeah.
And then there's like something and then they show him something. And he's like, there's like three people who were like, you just woke me up in the middle of the night. What do you want? And it's like, you're a submarine captain.
Maybe don't sleep too deeply. Just better be good. Your whole job. And you're a captain.
It's probably important. It's your job is to solve crisis. That's what that's what he's for. But this better be good.
I love those. And then I mentioned 1990 special thanks. What else? Anything else age the best for you guys?
I got to say, you know, we could have the Red Horn conversation a little bit later, but Nimziki is like a kind of the subtle villain of this movie for the, for the three, that's his name, right? The secretary of defense, Nimziki, for the three quarters of the movie that he plays at, he's kind of great and needed. Like you need somebody who's like pushing, pushing buttons, being annoying, kind of has like the different take. And then throughout this movie, that character is kind of like, he's nagging Bill Pullman a lot.
He's like, you fucked up. You could order the evacuations and everybody died. So now you got to let me new Houston. It's honestly like, reminding me so much of working with fantasy.
Just a lot of second guessing and like a kind of evil, smarmy side is very similar to that. Red Horn, let's just do it now. Let's do it. My favorite all time Red Horn, if people may have heard this rewatchable episode is he's fantastic in the game.