Indonesia and Australia sign a security pact: what are we worried about?

We're now even closer with Indonesia. On 6 February Anthony Albanese signed a security pact with Indonesia's president, Prabowo Subianto, agreeing to consider joint responses to any threats. Albanese called the agreement a "watershed moment" that created a "new era" with Indonesia. The new pact is Albanese's latest move to build friends in the Indo-Pacific... is the strategy working?Guest: Susannah Patton, Director of the Lowy Institute’s Southeast Asia ProgramProducer: Catherine Zengerer