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EPISODE · Oct 17, 2025 · 34 MIN

Infrastructure as Code • Kief Morris & Abby Bangser

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This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club.http://gotopia.tech/bookclubRead the full transcription of the interview here:https://gotopia.tech/episodes/385Kief Morris - Author of "Infrastructure as Code" & Distinguished Engineer at ThoughtworksAbby Bangser - Principal Engineer at Syntasso & Team Topologies AdvocateRESOURCESKiefhttps://bsky.app/profile/kief.comhttps://twitter.com/kiefhttps://github.com/kiefhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/kiefmorrishttps://kief.comAbbyhttps://bsky.app/profile/abangser.bsky.socialhttps://twitter.com/a_bangserhttps://github.com/abangserhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/abbybangserhttps://www.syntasso.io/members-area/abby/profileLinkshttps://infrastructure-as-code.comDESCRIPTIONAbby Bangser (Principal Engineer at Syntasso) speaks with Kief Morris (Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks consultant and Author of "Infrastructure as Code") about the evolution of infrastructure as code over the past decade. They discuss how the field has grown from simple server configuration management to complex cloud architectures, the challenges of current tooling, and emerging solutions like System Initiative.The conversation explores the importance of abstraction layers, the application of software development principles to infrastructure, and how AI might transform the field. They emphasize that infrastructure decisions must align with business needs rather than being treated as generic plumbing, highlighting the ongoing need for platform engineering and developer experience considerations.RECOMMENDED BOOKSKief Morris • Infrastructure as Code • https://amzn.to/4e6EBQcMatthew Skelton & Manuel Pais • Team Topologies • http://amzn.to/3sVLyLQDave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJDave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBjBlueskyInstagramLinkedInFacebookCHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUSJoin this channel to get early access to videos & other perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/joinLooking for a unique learning experience?Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.techSUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!

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This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/385 Kief Morris - Author of "Infrastructure as Code" & Distinguished Engineer at Thoughtworks Abby Bangser - Principal Engineer at Syntasso & Team Topologies Advocate RESOURCES Kief https://bsky.app/profile/kief.com https://twitter.com/kief https://github.com/kief https://www.linkedin.com/in/kiefmorris https://kief.com Ab...

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