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EPISODE · Jan 26, 2026 · 38 MIN

Innovating Mid-Flight with Dr. John VanWagoner

from Standing Tall: Voices in Leadership · host John VanWagoner, MDE, Traverse City School District, Ben Kalb, Randy Lindquist

Episode Highlights & Key ConceptsThe Unconventional Path to Leadership: John discusses his unique "top-down" career trajectory, moving from high school social studies teacher to the Michigan Department of Education before returning to local and regional leadership.Building the Plane While Flying It: A look into John's entrepreneurial leadership style, where he advocates for launching innovative projects—even if they aren't perfect—to meet the urgent needs of students.The Power of Peer Networks: Insights into the Future of Learning Council, a grassroots network of over 70 districts working to implement personalized, competency-based learning across Michigan.Trust but Verify: Borrowing wisdom from Bo Schembechler, John explains how he manages a staff of hundreds by trusting his "heroic" team while maintaining clear check-ins and accountability.The Relationship Metric: Why social-emotional connections and mentorship are the most enduring rewards of a career in education, far outweighing test scores.Big Ideas & Further Reading1. The Dance Floor and the BalconyJohn highlights the necessity for leaders to "get off the dance floor and get on the balcony" to maintain a strategic view of their organization. This analogy, popularized by Ronald Heifetz and Marty Linsky, distinguishes between technical management and adaptive leadership.Deep Dive: The Balcony and the Dance Floor (Ed Batista) – A detailed exploration of how to move between active participation and objective observation.2. Competency-Based Education (CBE)John discusses breaking away from the "one-hour model" in favor of evidence-based grading and personalized pathways.Learn More: Future of Learning Council – The organization John co-founded to scale student-centered innovation in Michigan.3. "Big Hairy Audacious Goals" (BHAG)John mentions his drive for "big, hairy, audacious goals" to push the boundaries of what is possible in school districts.Concept Origin: Jim Collins - BHAG – A classic leadership principle about setting clear, compelling, and long-term goals.Connect with the LeadersDr. John VanWagoner: LinkedIn Profile – Superintendent of Traverse City Area Public Schools (TCAPS).Randy Lindquist: LinkedIn Profile – Superintendent of the Muskegon Area Intermediate School District (MAISD). 

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In this episode, Traverse City Area Public Schools Superintendent Dr. John VanWagoner shares his unconventional leadership journey from the Michigan Department of Education to leading one of the state’s largest districts. He offers a masterclass on balancing high-level vision with daily operations, emphasizing the critical role of trust, innovation, and personalized learning in the future of public education.

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