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EPISODE · Jan 26, 2026 · 38 MIN

Innovating Mid-Flight with Dr. John VanWagoner

from Standing Tall: Voices in Leadership · host John VanWagoner, MDE, Traverse City School District, Ben Kalb, Randy Lindquist

Episode Highlights & Key ConceptsThe Unconventional Path to Leadership: John discusses his unique "top-down" career trajectory, moving from high school social studies teacher to the Michigan Department of Education before returning to local and regional leadership.Building the Plane While Flying It: A look into John's entrepreneurial leadership style, where he advocates for launching innovative projects—even if they aren't perfect—to meet the urgent needs of students.The Power of Peer Networks: Insights into the Future of Learning Council, a grassroots network of over 70 districts working to implement personalized, competency-based learning across Michigan.Trust but Verify: Borrowing wisdom from Bo Schembechler, John explains how he manages a staff of hundreds by trusting his "heroic" team while maintaining clear check-ins and accountability.The Relationship Metric: Why social-emotional connections and mentorship are the most enduring rewards of a career in education, far outweighing test scores.Big Ideas & Further Reading1. The Dance Floor and the BalconyJohn highlights the necessity for leaders to "get off the dance floor and get on the balcony" to maintain a strategic view of their organization. This analogy, popularized by Ronald Heifetz and Marty Linsky, distinguishes between technical management and adaptive leadership.Deep Dive: The Balcony and the Dance Floor (Ed Batista) – A detailed exploration of how to move between active participation and objective observation.2. Competency-Based Education (CBE)John discusses breaking away from the "one-hour model" in favor of evidence-based grading and personalized pathways.Learn More: Future of Learning Council – The organization John co-founded to scale student-centered innovation in Michigan.3. "Big Hairy Audacious Goals" (BHAG)John mentions his drive for "big, hairy, audacious goals" to push the boundaries of what is possible in school districts.Concept Origin: Jim Collins - BHAG – A classic leadership principle about setting clear, compelling, and long-term goals.Connect with the LeadersDr. John VanWagoner: LinkedIn Profile – Superintendent of Traverse City Area Public Schools (TCAPS).Randy Lindquist: LinkedIn Profile – Superintendent of the Muskegon Area Intermediate School District (MAISD). 

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