Hello and welcome once again to History Tweeps. I'm Tim. Welcome to the podcast where we take a light-hearted look at the dark side of history. The title of our podcast today is Inseperable, The Sad Lies of Daisy and Violet Hilton.
We're doing a podcast about the Hilton sisters, Brandy. I know you're excited about that. I'm so excited. It's not Paris and Nicky though.
Well, they're their own sad little story. That's true. I want to remind everyone that we are a comedy podcast and we use adult language. So if adult language offends you, then you probably want to check out one of the other following podcasts out there, including our friends, at They Walk Among Us, a great true crime podcast.
Also, I would suggest you check it into a couple of other really neat podcasts. Another true crime podcast called Yours in Murder. It's a new podcast. It's really excellent, a great true crime podcast.
And it's the co-host, our sisters, Rachel and Becca. One is a journalist and one is a forensic scientist, Brandy. So they are much smarter than we are. Oh, much smarter than we are.
It's a great podcast to check out Yours in Murder. And if you want something more lighthearted, then please check out There Might Be Cupcakes. I know that you love Cupcakes, Brandy. I do love Cupcakes, yes.
So it's a really fun podcast. So check those two out. Yours in Murder and There Might Be Cupcakes. And they walk among us.
And they, of course, are friends of Ben and Rosanna. They walk among us. And we have a couple of other podcasts out there. One that the Colonel and I do is called Dead Bull.
It's about baseball players who died in an early age. And there's a new podcast that Brandy has. You want to tell us about it, Brandy? It's called Haunted Visions.
And it's about just kind of weird stuff, paranormal, UFOs, things like that. Urban Legends. Urban Legends. In fact, I met the guy this weekend or this past Monday that was the head of the UFO, enthusiast people in this area.
He was the top enthusiast. Well, let me introduce you to what you can learn about. We are without the Colonel this time. We are.
The Colonel had a minor surgery. That he wouldn't let me do. Right. And of course to him, it's, we'll be major surgery.
I'm sure he'll tell us all about it. I'm sure something happened, like the lights went out or, you know, it'll be some dramatic. Somebody left and he's gone. Somebody sneezed and he's wound.
Yeah. But he's doing well. And he's getting better. So feel better soon, Colonel.
Look forward to your return. But until then, you all have me and a lady who is known throughout the land as Brandy the Benevolent Her Majesty, Queen Brandy the first. How are you doing Brandy? I'm okay, Timmy.
How are you? I'm fine. Excellent. I had a fun weekend in Atlanta.
I saw that. You didn't have a good time. I did with my friend, Louisa. We did a lot of things.
We saw a lot of things. It's a fun town. We went to the pumpkin patch. And me and my mother, and you see the great know-what.
I did not, but I got a picture of my mother picking a pumpkin and she realized that I put it on Facebook until my aunt spilled the beans and said, oh, that's what you were wearing earlier when you were picking pumpkins. My mother does not like that at all. She doesn't like being on Facebook. Well, and it was her bent over like getting pulling this pumpkin.
That probably wasn't it. Yeah. No, she wouldn't have to go. We had a nice time.
We got a blue pumpkin. I never knew they made blue pumpkins. That's a thing. It's blue pumpkin.
A designer pumpkin. It's blue. And then they had some that were pink. We did not get those.
But we got a blue one and we got a jack-o-lantern. They asked jack-o-lantern. I think there's people who are blue. Maybe.
I do. I think we're oxygen. I do. Yes.
I do. I think you're oxygen. I think. You think that's what it is they can't breathe.
Well, he's walking around choking all the time. No. It's some disease. Yeah.
It's something to do with. Yeah. So, got a blue pumpkin. Okay.
Well, I'm glad to hear that. That you have a blue pumpkin. Sad. Are you ready to talk about the story of Daisy and Violet?
Let's talk about Daisy and Violet. It's kind of a sad story. Okay. Yeah.
I know. You're not one who wears your emotions on your sleeve. But I think this one might. This story may bring a little tear to your eye.
I doubt it. Are you excited about the week on? Very. I'm very excited about the week on.
We are currently a couple weeks out. We are. If you want more information about the week on go to our Facebook page history to use the podcast join the group and you'll get all the information you need on all the events. It's going to be quite a time, Randy.
It has blown up significantly since we first conceived it as a joke. It can be a lot of people where it will be attending and no, we're going to have a good time. So we look forward to that. But listen, let's get right into the story of Daisy and Violet Hilton.
All right. Brandy Violet and Daisy Hilton were world famous, much like yourself. Clearly. For different reasons, I'm sure.
Yes, because they were co-joined twins. Co-joined? Co-joined? Yeah, co-joined, con-joined.
It's like, yeah. It's not like that at all. It's con-joined. They were con-joined.
Oh, God. Good. It's going to be like this all time. I gotta go through medical terms.
I gotta go through medical terms. Yeah, so they were con-joined twins. There we go. And they also became entertainers.
How could they not? And they toured Vogville in the 1930s and 40s. Yeah, it sounds alright. Okay.
Now the sisters, Brandy, were joined by the hips and buttocks. Okay. So they had to walk sideways all the time? Kind of.
They were very attractive. It was kind of like back to back. And what? So I designed a little bit.
Okay. So I'm gonna have to look this up. Yeah. They shared the same blood circulation.
Okay. But they didn't share any major organs. So if they have been born today, they'd have been separated. They would have been separated.
But they were born in 1908. So they did not have the medical technology was not advanced to the point where they could be separated and survive. But clearly, if they were if they were born today, that would be an option. So they share they refuse together at the pelvis.
But shared no major organs. But they shared blood circulation. Okay. You're picturing this now?
I'm trying. Okay. There's quite lovely young ladies. It's very pretty.
Daisy and Violet Hilton were born on February and February of 1908. I never could find an exact date for their age. But they were born in Brighton, England. I wonder if Rosanna and Bittin knows where that is.
Probably. I'm sure they were. They were kind of back to back. Yeah, kind of side to side back.
They were kind of. Yeah. They had a weird angle. Yeah.
We'll talk about some of their shenanigans. All right. All right. All right.
They were what they were. They caught. I'm going to screw up this term. Sure.
Someone will probably correct me. I'm sure. But Pygopagus twins. Pygopagus.
And they were connected at the hips and buttocks, as I said. And Pygopagus. I'm sure I'm screwing as Dr. Jeffle straight me up.
They were co-joined twins consisting of two fully formed or nearly formed fetuses united in the sacral region. So that they are positioned back to back. They basically absorb each other. Yeah.
Except. Yeah. But they're two distinct people. Sure.
With two distinct. I mean, they each had their own lady bits and breasts and heart. And I'm sure those are the things that you've thought of first. Exactly.
I like most conjoined twins. Brandy. They using a violet only shared blood circulation. And as I said, each had their own organs.
I wonder if they could play the organ. I think they could because they become very talented. They were very talented and used to clean. So at the time of the birth, however, the obstetrician who delivered and believed that they would die within a month of the birth.
They just, you know, at that time, it just was unusual for, and I'm sure they were small and sure underway. Yeah. However, they would live to the age of 60, Brandy. Hey, it's not bad.
I can't take it right now. I couldn't stand to be with a person that long. Yeah. They would become the first British co-joined twins who would live to adulthood.
So it just never happened before. So naturally, they thought that they were going to die within a month or so. Sure. They would grow up and they would weigh a total of 166 pounds.
They were four feet, nine inches tall. When it sucked, I tried to go on a diet. And like, you want to go on your diet, but your twin didn't want to go or they'd get mad at you first, you know, cheating and snacking and stuff. You can't sneak some shit.
Yeah. Daisy and Violet's mother was a woman by the name of Kate Skinner. Okay. Now she was not married when she gave birth to the twins.
Oh. So she was an unwed mother, which was really frowned upon in 1908. Victorian England. Being a single mother was quite the scandal at the time, Brandy.
Yes, I can imagine. Now, I believe that the girl's father would later was a nerdy well who would later be killed in the First World War. But, you know, I just seen kind of speculate. That was speculation.
I don't know why. I've never seen any document that could tie this guy to these kids. But that's the speculation that he ended up dying in the First World War. He had nothing to do with their lives at all.
Kate Skinner, the single mother, she felt that the kids, the daughters were a curse. Oh, sure. Because punishment for her for having a child out of woodlock, her children out of woodlock. During that time, children with birth defects, such as what they had, were called monsters in England.
So it wasn't really an enlightened period. It's not a good time to have some sort of deformity. And as I said, she felt that God was punishing her for her actions. So what did she do, Brandy?
She sold them to her boss. All right. Okay. She sold the girls to her boss.
She worked as a bar maid. Kate, when she became pregnant with these kids. And the owner of the bar was a woman by the name of Mary Hilton. And she was a very astute businesswoman.
And she thought that she could capitalize on Violet and Daisy's disability. So she bought the kids from Kate. And basically, Kate Skinner had nothing to do with the children the rest of her life. She would go on, Kate would, have two more children, a son named Frederick in 1910, and a daughter named Ethel Kate in 1912.
But their mother, Kate Skinner, died a month after giving birth to her daughter, Ethel, in 1912, due to complications from that childbirth. So not very lucky in the childbirth department. Well, I mean, it's always a crap sheet, right? Yeah.
So the twins was under the care of Mary Hilton, the pub owner. And they called her auntie. And she didn't see that the girls just have any disability. She saw an opportunity.
So she's going to make money out. She's no fool. Yeah. I mean, you know, you had joining twins following your lap.
I'm telling you. Wait, lemonade. Exactly. So anyway, she saw an opportunity and didn't take her long to start displaying the gris.
It's kind of sad. Started displaying the girls in the rear room of her pub. So she set her own little side show. Yeah.
For the right price, usually a few pints or pennies. Yeah. People could examine the girls all they liked. Yeah, that's creepy.
Old men were allowed to lift the little girls dresses and explore their unique features. Yeah. That's kind of gross. One of their earliest memories of one of the earliest memories of Daisy and Violet was having people lift up their dresses to look at their connected bodies in order to see where they were joined at.
By the time the girls turned three or three years old, Mrs. Hilton already was taken Daisy and Violet on the road to show them off. They traveled all around Europe, Germany, Austria. Now, the woman they called Auntie, Mrs.
Hilton, their owner basically. And they would refer to her and then later her children who gained custody of them when she died as their owners. I mean, that's how they referred to them for a long time. But Auntie would have a lot of what she calls serves, a lot of men in her life.
And they would mistreat the girls physically and emotionally abused them. I didn't get to sense they were ever sexually abused, but I don't know if that's something they would talk about necessarily back then. But anyway, she had a lot, their guardian had a lot of boyfriends and they were in and out and some of them were alcoholics and so they were abusive. It seems like every man is an alcoholic back then.
Like every time we talk about one of these women they get together and it could just be the quality of the people we talk about. Yeah, I think a lot. We talk about serial killers. But I mean, there's a lot of, and there's a lot alcoholism is a lot of great problems.
I mean, there's that. Yeah, there's a lot of alkeys out there. Yeah. Back in the whatever day.
Oh, today too. So anyway, they started taking these kids around Europe, Daisy and Violet at age of three and he had a little success in Europe. But she, Mrs. Hilton wanted more.
So she sets her sights on bringing them to the United States because you know, in the United States, that point out a hundred and fifty million people was a lot much larger. She should have hooked up with PT Barnum. Yeah. And they never talk about that.
I've never seen PT Barnum come up in research, although they certainly were very active in vaudeville. And I would love to see vaudeville. I think that would have been so cool. It's that time it's fucked up.
Yeah. I guess it was like America's most or whatever that show is. America's Got Talent. So anyway, Mrs.
Hilton sent her sights on the United States in 1915. The twins were eight years old. They traveled to San Francisco, Brandy. Yeah.
They were initially denied entry because they were deemed quote unquote medically unfit to enter the United States. So Mrs. Hilton, being the promoter that she was, and being trued, got the local media involved, made them out as victims, put pressure on the officials, and they eventually allowed the children to enter the country. Bless her heart.
She's not a member. She's a humanitarian. Looking out for the little guy. Yeah.
Now, so they started touring the United States, but then Mrs. Hilton, or anti as they called her, died. Oh, mama. Her biological daughter, Edith, became the twins guardian.
And Edith was married to a man named Myers Myers. Why? Why would somebody? Because parents did not love him.
And her and her husband, he was a salesman. So they took custody of Violet and Daisy, and they saw them as, you know, basically as their opportunity, you know, their financial security. Well, sure. So they took them on tour, and they were very controlling of the girls Violet and Daisy.
They would not let them out of their sight. One of them had to be in the room with the girls at all times, even when they slept at night. Because you know, this is their cash cow, right? That's true.
You wouldn't let them get away. They would not let any of the girls were not allowed to have friends, because the Myers feared that there would be some problem and it would impact their money making scheme. Yeah. These are quality people.
Yeah, I know. It was evident throughout the course of the twins lives that they viewed themselves as being owned, as I said, by the Myers, that they were the basic cattle and cash cows of Myers Myers. Yes. Myers Myers.
Basically, they viewed herself as their property. Now Myers Myers exploited this, and ensured that however successful the twins became, they would never have information regarding the terms of their contracts. So he kept them in the dark of all their contractual obligations and opportunities. Oh, and the girls probably trusted that he was looking out for them.
Well, they had no one else. Yeah. And then the other thing was, they would make them, because they needed an act. I mean, you could show them off as being, could join for a while, but that's not going to sell a lot of tickets eventually.
That gets old. He got you something. So they got to learn to juggle. Exactly.
So they would make them rehearse hours and hours each day, different towns, like playing a saxophone or violin in lieu of receiving a formal education. Although they did teach in different languages. I think at one point the girls could speak five different languages. So they was intelligent.
They just wasn't giving the opportunity of regular education, which probably wasn't that unusual for children with the formities in Victorian England. So they were basically captives. Most of their lives kept away from other people. And the buyers were kind of running their lives running and running their lives.
If they didn't comply and if they didn't rehearse for hours up on end, they were beaten with a buckle into the belt. So very abusive. But as I said, they mastered five languages. They also became experts, synchsters.
What do you have to? You got to make your own shit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And they became, they did fancy embroidering. I love fancy embroidery. Yeah. So you can't you can't get fancy embroidery on every corner.
Well, no, no, clearly you cannot. I'm going to have some clothes, fancily embroidered later today. Really? Uh huh.
What are those? Some shirts. What are gonna be on their shirts? I can't tell you until you see them.
I'm going to have them fancily embroidered. Maybe I'll get them on a gram with your name or some randomly. I will pick three initials that I like. That doesn't necessarily have to be yours.
Do not. That really, you know, BS does not go BS H or just BS doesn't go on everything. I always just wanted, you know, go into a shop and say, you know, can you have my can you monogram this shirt? And when they ask about initials, I don't mind whatever whatever you want.
So are they some are cheaper? Yeah, because you know, you make that person's life. I mean, they'll be talking about you. Thanks giving dinner for like years though.
And some of those letters are hard. Like if you have a queue in your name, that's that's way for that. You should get paid more for that. You should get paid more for Q.
But listen, so I was I was listening to the radio earlier this week and they were talking about a pair of Hitler's underwear. Yeah, sold for like $6,000. Really? I don't know.
I think you should be more if they're spoiled. Well, I don't he had the sift. So I don't know. I mean, they have like, I don't think so.
They were a pair of boxer briefs that he left at a hotel in 1938 racing strikes or anything. I don't think it had skid marks or anything like that. But they were monogrammed. I know where were monogrammed.
Well, he was the fuhrer. He weighed the fuhrer. He was. Yeah.
But they were monogrammed. It was sold for like $6,000. Why do you need your monogrammed? Well, you want to make sure you're getting your underwear when you put them on.
You might be and they had garter like there were it was almost like garter's on the end of them. And I don't know if that was to keep them or you just wanted to feel pretty. Well, maybe you wanted to feel pretty, but they had I was oh, it was like they would attach to his shirt. Okay.
To his undershirt. So he would tuck in his shirt under shirt like a onesie or something. Well, would attach. So it was like, yeah, that's too complicated.
Oh, there was a lot going on with these underwear like they had adjustable waistband and it was monogrammed and adjustable race band is a good idea. But yeah, but I'm well and so is to keep your shirt tucked in. I bet that eliminates plumbers. But if you probably does that kind of contraption on your shoulders, you feel trapped all the time.
I feel like I'm just like, you know, I've gotten into some clothes before where I'm like, yeah, no, this isn't going to work. No, that's interesting. My wedding dress. There was a lot of fluff there.
I always say, you know, put a shirt on that's too small. I like them panics. Panics. Like I can't get it off.
I can't get it off. I'm like, series if you're in a shirt in our living room, like come on. Because you know, when you buy, like if I'm traveling overseas and sometimes, you know, my luggage is lost or whatever, the sizes are all different. So I buy a large shirt there here and it would sit me.
But if I buy it there, it's like a small ear. Oh, I know. And then you're like, like half shirt. Yeah.
I had to wear, I had to wear for under my wedding dress, I had to wear a corset. And it was, I mean, it had these like metal bars that went up through that. Oh my God. Yeah.
It was like a torture to vote. It was serious. It was serious. Well, they used to use whale bone.
They had these metal bars that would go through there and, you know, it could everything up and tucked and everything else. But I'm telling you what, by the end of the night, I'm like, oh my God, get it off. Probably going to take it off. Yes.
Okay. So, yeah, they were seamstresses. They were, they rehearsed. They sang, they danced, all that sort of thing.
They were talented. They really were. But all of this was, you know, at the threat of being beaten and worse. And this is probably actually accurate.
They were told if they didn't, you know, rehearse and if they didn't perform, that they would, the Myers would have them institutionalized, which is probably a prodigement threat. Right. You know, they probably could have done that. In the 1920s, and of course they feared that, in the 1920s when the girls were in their teens, they were placed on stages with vaudeville legends appearing on the same bill with acts such as Charlie Chapman, Charlie Chaplin, or Charlie Chaplin, and tap dancing with Bob Hope.
Really? Yeah, you can't say you've ever tapped dance with Bob Hope. I've never tapped dance with anybody, especially Bob Hope. Especially Bob Hope.
I remember Howard Stern had Bob Hope on his show when he was like 103. And I swear to God, he didn't know where he was at. I mean, you know, it was sad. It was kind of like the big Clark thing later years.
He, I don't think he knew he was talking to. Howard Stern was interviewing. I don't think he knew. Probably not.
But he had these, he had the Larry King suspenders on, and these things were up to almost his chin. I mean, he looked awful. He looked good. But he didn't know he had no clue where he was at.
I guess I don't know. He lived to be like a hundred or something. But yeah, he got to be really old. But yeah, no, and that's sad that people will, yeah, especially putting him on Howard Stern really.
Like who fucking book that? That bullshit. Yeah. Yeah.
And how bad does he need? How bad do you need publicity? You can't. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, the Hilton's dazing violet were early vaudeville career was a great success, Brandy. Excellent.
And adding them profits up to $5,000 a week. That was pretty good though back in the 30s. $5,000 a week. It's pretty nice for now.
Yeah. But you know, it was a big time back in back in the 30s during the Great Depression. Well, right. But the girls unfortunately saw none of this money.
Of course. That went all to Edith and Meyer Myers. Fucking Meyer Myers dick. So the girls never profited.
It was around this time, though, that they met on stage the famous illusionist, Brandy. Mr. Harry Udini. Of course, good friends.
You know, Mr. Udini. We're tight. Yeah.
He visits me in my dreams. He can saw a woman in half. Saw it myself with his own two eyes. You did?
Yes. It's amazing. Well, how did you see it? We were if you're on two eyes.
I saw it on film on YouTube. He saw a woman in half and Penn and Teller can do that. But go ahead. And yes.
He told me to pick a card in any card. And he did fucking amazing. You're really old. And you know who I really like was that?
Chris Angel guys. He's still doing his thing. He's still around. His kid has cancer or something, I think.
Oh, really? Yeah. He's real sick. That's not good.
But anyway, Harry Udini took an interest in the girls. And he did. And they become real good. Actually, they become real good friends.
And he saw what was going on with them being screwed. Yeah. He saw they were the guardians were you just using them and taking advantage of them. So he encouraged them to read newspapers and other media about to read about themselves and you know, like variety and all that.
Yeah. You know, all the major papers at the time Hollywood the show is papers at the time. And when they did, they were shocked to learn that they were as successful as they were and as famous as they were. They had no idea.
Yeah. Because all he did was rehearse and go on stage and then right, you know, put back in the room and they had no contact. All the only people I had contact with were the people they were on stage with. Well, right.
So Harry Udini was able to kind of open their eyes. And this is time when they're they're going to be in young ladies, right? Eventually, they were involved with the lawsuit over some theater that didn't pay them. And they had an attorney or Myers Myers had an attorney named Martin Arnold.
Yeah. And after they learned, this was all going on after this lawsuit was they and they learned that they how famously were and how popular they were. And you know, as Harry Udini kind of enlightened them how much money that their guardians were making on him. They sought this attorney out to see if he could assist them.
And he was surprised to learn that the girls who were now 23 were not independent of the Myers yet. So they never knew they could. They didn't know. They had no idea.
As I said, they referred to themselves as their property, right? So at their request, Martin Arnold, the attorney helped liberate the girls from their abusive guardians. Daisy and Violet were emancipated in 1931 and awarded around $80,000, which is still a lot of dough back in 1931. So in January of 1931, the young women approached life on their own terms for the very first time, Randy.
They're encouraging. It is. Yeah. Well, they went straight from an abusive isolation into a limitless celebrity lifestyle, Randy.
Yeah. So they fell into the drugs and sex drugs and rock and roll. Well, not so much the sex or really easy to have orgy with them. You're three, some would be pretty easy to arrange.
I think so. And I got some more information about that. Of course, I thought that information. Of course you did.
Well, our listeners want to know. You know, you can't leave no stone on terms. You and your tireless research. Yes.
For our listeners who would expect nothing less. Right. Then excellence. Yes.
Right. Okay. So with their immediate freedom, they enjoyed after their emancipation. They enjoyed it similar to a newly independent child liberated from the grasp of their overbearing parents.
Wow. dramatic. I made that quite the picture. Thank you, Randy.
The girls, Randy, dyed their hair. Crazy. They splurged on the newest fashion. Yeah, but they were master seamstresses.
Well, they went out and bought their own. They started smoking, drinking, and partying the nights away. What? I know.
I don't know any child that would do that. I know. They experienced many problems, though they although they did experience many problems, other adults did not experience. For example, Randy trying to fit through a door side by side.
They were questioned. There was this ongoing question as to whether Violet and Daisy was one person or two. Oh, now today we would say obviously they were two different people. Right.
But back in the day, now sometimes they would use it. They would go with whatever would benefit them the most. Well, yeah, if you only have to pay for one ticket to the movie. Exactly.
If, for example, when they got on a train, one ticket, one ticket. Right. But they saw themselves, of course, as individuals. And they had a lot of trouble securing an insurance policy as two different people.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But they were finally insured with Lloyd's of London. They weren't insured some shit.
And they insured them for being, I know they insured like alien deductions. Oh, they insured like Heidi Klum's legs. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, they don't insure a Charos breast. Really? Yeah. We're her boobs.
That great. You know, I never did get Charo really. I don't get it either. I didn't know if I was that talented.
But apparently she has a big following. She yells a lot. Yeah. Are her breasts that great?
I'm not a big boob guy. So I don't, you know, I guess I know. That's a check question. Yeah.
We have to check when he gets back. We'll follow it with Chuck on the Charo question. Sure. She was on that.
I knew she was on Love Boat quite often. Oh, yeah. But every other week. I remember that.
But like I said, she just always, I just she yelled a lot. Yeah. And she's still alive. Her and John Davis didn't seem to be on Love Boat a lot.
John Davidson was on Love Boat a lot. That's too much. I don't know if he's still alive. I think so.
I don't know. Char is still alive. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know if her breasts are still insured.
But anyway, Lloyd of London officially made them two people. They insured him to two separate people. But girls, you know, they were still questions. And so the girls had an interesting way to determine whether or not they were one or two people.
They decided to settle a matter by going to a police department in Richmond, Virginia, where they had a bureau of identification, where the person in charge of the bureau of identification, a sergeant William A. Toler, they went to him and asked him whether or not he perceived them as a person or persons. I need his fingerprint above. That's what he did.
Oh, okay. A fingerprint in him telling them that no two people or no, so two people would have the same identical fingerprints. And it turns out that they had different fingerprints. There you go.
So he confirmed that they were indeed two different people. Did they get a certification? Something to carry with them? Did they get a little card for their wallet?
I think it was more for their own, you know, for their own plaque. Yeah. So anyway, they were pronounced officially two different people by the state of Virginia. In 1932, Brandy, yes, Violet and Daisy starred in the cult classic movie, Freaks.
We were seeing Freaks. I have not. I've seen part of it on the YouTube. It's just about them or is it so they played themselves in freaks?
No, no, it had the storyline, but it well, tell you about it. It was a low budget horror movie. The characters played were played by people who worked in carnival side shows, performers who had real deformities. Yes.
In the movie, the sisters played themselves. Yes. As a subplot to the movie, Daisy is married to one of the circus clowns. That's bullshit.
Nobody marries the clowns. But then she was in the plot. She was married to one of the circus clowns, but then forced to marry the circus owner. So the circus owner fired a clown in order to marry...
I didn't know that's all it took to dissolve a marriage. Well, this was in this movie. This was the plot in the movie. So, right, but still, come on.
But anyway, so yeah, there were other freaks in the movie. I should say, saves on makeup. There were other people with the form of these in the movie. But anyway, in the movie, whenever one of...
When Daisy was making out with her clown, there were scenes where they were frolicking and Violet would... They would show her face on screen and she would be experiencing the pleasure of being touched by man. So I don't know if you've experienced that pleasure or not, but yeah, so they kind of played up this whole... I bet.
Could you win the thing? Yeah. But I bet it'd be really hard to do that thing where, you see it in the movies all the time when people are making out and then they kind of roll over and one of them's on the bottom and then they roll over again and the other one's on the bottom. Yeah.
I bet that's a struggle to do for them. Well, actually, and we'll talk to you about this a little bit later. Actually, remember I mentioned... No, Stone Unturned.
They were friends with Harry Cudini. No, no, I got that. And I got that part. It's in my part.
I got that. All I'm saying is just physically... Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. That's like a running over speed bump every time you go over. I don't think this is in the notes, but I read where they... One would...
When one was having relations the sexy time. The other one would read a book and eat an apple. So every time you... Every time the smell of a book waifed it in, somebody was getting horny.
Yeah. Nice. Now, in this movie, among the twins, Coast Stars, which Simon Metz and I know that name probably doesn't sell from you to you, but if you're looking up on the World Wide Web, you would see a picture of it. He would be familiar to you.
He was a very tall guy. Ball headed, kind of deformed head, and he wore a dress because he was incontinent. And he was... I'm not sure what one has to do with the other.
I'm not sure either, but they were also in the... The Coast Star in this film was the intersex Josephine Joseph. What? I'm reading what is in my notes.