Well, I'm the other horse Paul and tonight is a special night. We are joined by what I would call a podcast professional. So we're gonna be get to show on how it's done a little bit tonight. So we are joined by the amazing Brian Bana from the Be More Super podcast.
Hello, I don't know about professional that is very nice. To be fair, I just fake it. I just fake it before I you know and just make out that I'm making it. But thank you so, much for bringing me on on your show.
You guys actually rock. I mean, I've been following your social media for ages and the stuff that you have on is just amazing. And I just say, I love the logo. Yes.
Everyone loves a gremlin. It has changed its form a few times of years. The original one was just a blue logo with a arrow pointing up that it changed it made us completely ripped off Jurassic Park. And I was like, that's a lawsuit waiting to have him.
And I think then it turned into a Gizmoa and Spike and it was a little bit too busy and then it find its final form, which I think will still probably get sued one day. But what's what's Yeah, well, talking about lawsuits. I'm sure we can have a conversation in a bit about the new Superman movie and me receiving a cease and desist email from Warner Brothers. And Alex Blaine, why it's quite comical.
I mean, I don't know when you want me to get into that. Well, I think what we'll do first is the disclaimer before we get into anything. Sure. Everything goes to today's episode is our opinions and our opinions along with you like to discuss anything from today's episode.
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So let's keep it fun, kind and give the toxic behaviour out of pernodism. Very well said. Thank you. Oh that was lovely.
Oh that was lovely. I've seen it in every episode. Every same, every professional. Come on.
I don't even have comments like that. I just say it and hope for the best and then I get seas and desist. I'm going to brag. It has been cleared on the BBC before.
Can I just stop you there? You've got a cat in the background. Oh it's gone. You will.
There will be many popping in and out. I have three and I actually have a chair right here that one will come and join with me later on. So yes, I should have won yet. My cat's just wander out.
That is definitely not a cat next to you, Sam. It's a chair. So if you're in case you were going, yes I've got three. Just one here.
Yeah. It's really good. It's very well behaved. It is.
Normally. He's not well behaved. He's managed to turn the entire podcast off before with a flick of his heel. So he's not well behaved.
See all my cats are downstairs in lots of way. I've got three cats. Oh we're all three cat people then. One of them is actually called Clark.
Of course he is. My daughters are actually called Lois and Cara. Right. So I got away with that.
Can you believe it? I've got away with that. They are good names though. And I thought I would.
These are my genuine glasses but I thought I would wear them tonight because I was like, oh, you're going to try and hide the kiss. Oh, they are genuine. They are genuine glasses. You've got to poke yourself in the eye now.
It's pretty good. There you go. Oh, there you go. Oh, she has a one that will come and join her.
What you'll notice that Sam is she is very gullible and subcettled. If you tell her to do something she will, in essence, do it. Emil, but yes. So Brian, with you being the first time on the Nerdy on North Fabcast.
And I know we didn't prepare you for this before. So I do apologize. Give us your Nerdy credentials. Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Oh, Nerdy credentials. Literally, I've been a fan of pop culture since a very, very young boy. The fact that I didn't have many friends, I got bullied a lot. I was like the perfect ingredients for a nerd and a geek ready to be made.
I mean, for me, I've been a fan of Superman since birth. You know, my dad did a very, very good job introducing Superman to me at such a young age. I think to be honest, the first Superman movie I can remember is Superman 2, which stuck with me and then obviously 3, which traumatized me. But yeah, I've been a super fan and I've been a collector of autographs and movie props for many, many decades.
So yeah, I'm a geek at heart and definitely a nerd. Definitely a nerd. Again, I love that aspect. Like you said, you've just been mentioned all the different aspects like love about Superman with your podcast call and be more super, being such a kind of like, a wink and a nod to Superman.
I have been doing me homework this week a little bit as well. I've been checking out, yeah, ever so I'm having a look through. And the names of the people that you've interviewed, like this is just a few, like Neil Marshall, like a friend of I was sure absolutely amazing. Steve Gutenberg.
The Googles, the Googles. Kitty Suckoff, which is just nerd royalty. And she was lovely as well when you were speaking to her. That was just such a nice, like I said, interview like I did.
Aaron Ashmore, again, Iceman from X-Men and like say lots of different things. And the very famous, the very wonderful Dan Hears. The very famous Dan Hears. Yes, very very infamous.
infamous. I'm very scared for this. I'm so mean, levels of the love child of Christopher Reed. Apparently so.
That's really. Almost loved child of Christopher Reed. She did actually mention this on A.M. Monsters.
She did tell the story of how Christopher Reed was almost her dad. Almost. Almost. Almost whatever.
Almost whatever. Yeah. But I've never heard that story. So I'll be messaging her very seriously.
And she, what the hell Dan? You know what I mean? But yeah. That's great.
So one question I'll go before we start getting into the Man of Stale. All these people, because you mentioned before when we weren't live, that you started this podcast in lockdown. You've been going down for four years. And me as a success as well, like I'm not just at all, just saying.
But do you ever still get nervous with all these people and different characters that you do get interviewed from different shows, like you've gone from like, so I'm on a loss from like all these different people that you get a chance to speak to. Because I know, some will be a dude when even when I interviewed Neil Marshall, I went to kind of like a trans when I talked to him, talking about anything. And afterwards when he got on, I just walked down crying. I was like, I've just talked to dog soldiers guy.
But do you ever go here? Is it still like no? Yeah, let's go away. You know what?
When I first started, because the podcast was originally started for my love of Superman. And then it slowly transitioned and snowballed into something else. And then before I knew it, it wasn't about Superman. It was more about finding out what makes these actors super, you know, what makes them great.
And at the beginning, I did get a bit nervous because, do you know what? I was a guy that was starting his podcast with an iPad and an audio interface. And before you knew it, I was interviewing Sarah, Sarah Douglas at Playdursa in Superman 1 and 2. And it was just crazy.
And then it just snowballed. And then I did get nervous to begin with. But then I realized, do you know what? They're just normal people.
They're just normal people. They're normal actors. And I often find, and no offense to the bigger guests that I've had on. But I find that the ones that are not as famous are normally the nicer ones.
Right. Because it's sort of like they haven't got any ego or anything to prove or anything like that. And I've got to say, if you ever get any guests on, make sure they're from Canada. Because they are all very nice.
Honestly, I've never had a bad Canadian on my show. But yeah, I mean, I don't get famous. I mean, I'm sure that I got, I don't know, Henry Cavill or the Washington or someone like that. I would be nervous.
And it's more, nerves is good. Because nerves mean that you care. Nerves keep you on the ball. Because I don't know if Dan remembers.
I mean, you'll have to ask her that I remember going on stage once when I was a reco. And I didn't have any nerves. And I went on and started the song with this live band. And I just forgot the words.
I just forgot the words and made them up. And I heard someone on the balcony shout. They're not the words. But so nerves keep you on the ball.
Yeah, let's get on the edge. I think. Yeah. I like that.
So I know it's funny enough we talked about like the guests and like how nicely we had Ian White on, who's like, I'd be lovely. Honestly, one of them, we started off with like, oh, because we never really did guess like that before. So it was kind of having a conversation with them live. And he was like, getting them in.
Then one of our friends, who just the top drums podcast Lee just asked them about this weird werewolf. Maybe that weird thing was called Blood Moon. And he just lit up. He just came alive.
And then from that moment, like all the stories. And then when we logged off afterwards, we thought, oh, we're only getting from now on. And then he would go, he literally afterwards, he was staying with us. We couldn't actually get him off the zoom call because we wanted to celebrate and say we just started a very, very minute.
And he was just like, he's like, Todas is like, oh, I'm just going to show you. He was like, yeah, I'm bummed into, I say bummed into him. He was at convention. And I went to and I didn't want, I knew he would recognize Lee because Lee asked him that awesome question.
So I was like, I'm only going to go over if Lee's there. And when I came over, he went, I want to know. And I was like, hi. Was it was a chore after the restraining order.
I mean, was that good. Maybe before. Maybe before. I don't recognize you.
There is a picture of you by his table. Have you seen this girl? Can I just say that that pause that you had after that interview? Yeah.
How addictive is that? Oh, sorry. And then you just want to then get the next person on. And I suppose my advice, anyone out there wanting to do shows like this and like, like, like what I do is get people on that you love.
Get people on that you like personally because that will so show across the screen and through the interview itself because I've seen so many interviews where people have been doing it as sort of a tick box exercise. And it's awful and it's not fair on the guests. But how addictive is that? I mean, you just want to keep on getting that feeling.
And I suppose that is one thing that's good about interviewing celebrities is that, you know, it's just so addictive. It's not just celebrities. I tell them again, not to go smoke with your ass. I was nervous for you.
Because I can say again, not to say that we don't do a good job. But like, when I was watching your stuff, I was like, shit, this is top level. This is like, well, produced, everything looks good from the same. So I again got them from nerves and feelings and stuff like that.
When we're live and we're talking, that kind of goes away. Then afterwards, and they say we get the buzz. But even having people on that, I generally haven't had a way to conversation. We've talked through Instagram, but we've not really talked like a person, a person.
It's just a nice feeling that's kind of thing I love. And having these conversations and find people's, like, what they're nearly about, what they love and how they go into it. So yes, and I'm interested to find out about the cease and desist now. So yeah.
So there is a stuntman called Justin Howe, and he works on Halo. He was Master of Chiefs, and I had him on again because he was doing another film. And then while I was interviewing him, he just, well, he was halfway through working on Superman. And he's actually Superman's stunt double in the new James Bond movie.
So we started to talk about it. We started to talk about the suit, you know, how was the suit? No one knew what the suit looked like. See where this is going?
This was last April. Right. And so we had this interview and it released it and, you know, everything went fine. And then I got an email literally six hours before I was ready to fly off to Chicago saying that, you know, we appreciate obviously the interview, but there are factors in that interview that we need to be cut out ASAP because obviously, and at the top it says cease and desist.
When it's Warner Brothers as well. So I had to go back and edit out all the bits about Superman. Oh, and it broke my heart. And even Justin, you know, messaged me privately and just said, look, mate, I just had a phone call from Warner Brothers just saying, is there any chance that you can take it out?
Because it does, it might affect my job. Oh, sure. So I took it out. And yeah, it's the first ever cease and desist I've ever had in my whole life.
And I bet you framed it off. I was a bit bit, bit, bit, bit. I mean, I could have stabbed my grandma and say no, because, you know, press is free. Press isn't it?
Yeah. Someone says, but then I'm very much, I value what people think of me and the relationships going forward. So yeah, I know my relationship with Justin, how the stuntman and Warner Brothers would be more beneficial to me if I took it out. So I had to say it all out while, you know, waiting in the near port on my computer and trying to get Wi-Fi.
So yeah, I'm a cease and desist. But there's a positive be come from that, because I just said, because we're keeping sort of understanding and complying to what they've said. The folks got going on record now. If you come down like to, or when I released certain people that talked to Brian, Brian was really helpful when we had this issue.
Yeah. People hire on this. So yeah, again, I can understand people saying, oh, I don't want it was part of my thing, but it's probably would be more detrimental to do that than not. Oh, absolutely.
I was getting mornings off them before on YouTube. And it was just copyright, right? Well, yeah, I mean, it's a thing. I mean, they will earn money from those videos because of the copyright.
Yeah, they were like, we'll earn money, but you want to say, mate, I wasn't earning money at the start. So it's absolutely fine. The only scary one we had was we were doing for Halloween, a free crew episode, and we're talking about all the different night night on streets. So I've got to click on because it was a time when we were again, we were learning what we were doing.
So I've got to click live of the television scene where Patricia, no, Patricia was it? I thought. Yeah, her head goes for the TV and say, well, it's a blind language. Oh, all everyone was watching scene.
Oh, he's been taking down YouTube. It took us offline live because we should have clicked longer than 30 seconds or something. So we also got took down by the BBC. Oh, that was for course, though.
Yeah. BBC, only let us show 10 minutes of that. Yeah. But you know what?
It's good to play against the grain every now and again because, you know, it's good to get a warning every now and again because, you know, it keeps you on the ball. Yeah. Keep you excited. Oh, just want to fear smoke because we've just come out with restrictions for a full year for three and blizzers.
We'll get out of now. Really? Yeah. Full restrictions that wouldn't show anyone for a year because I had a den acroid for a picture.
Oh. Yeah. We love about it now, but at the time, it was not funny. No.
Yes. So, yeah, see, a love of Superman. So you've said this love started from birth. So when was the actual time?
Was it Superman 2? Was it the first one you can remember? Yeah, I remember Superman 2 and loving that. And then Superman 3 was the next one.
Yeah. And that freaked me out. It gave me nightmares because of the woman going to the fucking future. The picture on top of it.
And that just traumatized me. It really, really did. But yeah, I mean, the original ones, I mean, you know, as I mentioned at the beginning, you know, I got bullied quite a lot of school. Like my girls as well.
It wasn't even like, I mean, Bully and now it's all over the internet. Do you mean they don't really put the effort in anymore? I mean, at least they're really isn't there. Exactly.
Yeah. Back then, they physically had to kick you. Yeah. And so for me, I found Solace in Superman.
I remember having it on Betamax. Right. And just watching it over and over and over again. And I just loved it.
I just loved the fact that, you know, he stood for what's right, you know, truth and justice in the American way, which we can't say the American way anymore. It's changed. Yeah. So the truth and justice.
Yeah. Yeah. And for me, it was just, I don't know, it just brought me comfort. And I just fell in love with them films and the way it was shot and the way they spoke.
And I just thought it was fantastic. So was it, was it the films exactly or was it like the whole identity of Superman? Because when you, because me, I, same with you, I loved Superman from the Superman one and two because I really did believe in man can fly after watching those movies as a kid. And to me, that's when my love of Superhero started, but then I moved on to comics.
And my love of Superman changed a little bit when it came to the comics. Because it wasn't the same Superman as I, as I wanted on. I loved from the Christopher Reeve because in the Christopher Reeve movies, there's one ability, there's a human aspect. And for a long time in the Superman comics, that was quite lacking.
It was very much, this man is too much of a boy scout. This man is too, it was hard to really it and hard to get things. That's when I moved on to the Dark Knight when I promised the comics. That's where I'm the love of Batman comics because Superman to me wasn't the same.
So was it, did you have a same, some type of fail or? To be fair, I mean, I never, I'll be honest now, I never got into comics. Right, okay. Oh, that's surprising.
And literally, I bought my very first comic in Chicago when I was there. Let me, if I can grab it. Right. While he doesn't have the term I liked on because I'm a very dark, very good.
So I was in Chicago and there is an artist that does amazing artwork for Superman. And I got him to sign a comic and I got it sent away because I've got a friend, CBCS and it's that one just there. Oh, yeah. And he signed it for me as well.
His name is Jorge Jimenez and he's a great artist. And it's just beautiful. The way he draws Superman, I just think is fantastic. And that was the very first comic and then not only that, I met a guy called Chip Sadowski.
Sure, right. We'll just turn him off right now. And I didn't know who he was and I was chatting to him for about 50 minutes. And I said that I never, I never, I never bought a comic before.
And I bought, he had this book, Batman, something to do with something to do with, um, bank something, Volt or I can't remember what it is. It's one of his biggest ones. And he actually for free, he literally signed it and drew a remark in it. Right.
Or Batman. And Jorge was a guy that did the artwork for it. Right. But I didn't know who he was.
I met all these artists for these comics. And all these people were and idolizing him. Yeah. And I didn't know who he was.
But yeah, I didn't know who he was. He's a big deal. It's a big name. No, it's just interesting because as I said, when you go through like the different levels of Superman, that's where a lot of people are kind of, if you go back to the Superman on screen, I didn't even go back to like the TV shows, like the Dean Keens and the Tom Welling.
So it's very much different to what we got in the comics. So for me, I didn't even start like in the comic version until Kingdom Come came where it was like Superman in the future and different aspects. I know there's been rumors that are going to do that book. Saw me different times and all the kind of touch on it with the CW show when the little grass up round and Ralph came back out as I actually got that picture signed of him in the Kingdom Come sort of outfit.
Yeah. And it was shocked that I had that image because it wasn't public yet. How did you get this? Well, well, but yeah, I mean with the shows and everything like that, I mean the Superman world is so massive and it's very hard to grab a bit from it.
And I know that the CW shows have tried to try their best with it and Lois and Clark were doing Kane and you had Superboy as well with Gerald Christopher, which kind of kind of had getting Gerald Christopher and Dean Kane on my show. Wow. So I'm really excited about that. It's funny, I met Dean Kane in London and just before going, I messaged him to say my wife is heavily pregnant, please don't over excite her.
And when he recognized her from obviously the pregnant belly and he straight away was on form. But yeah, I mean they did do a really, really good job. And you know, I mean Michael B. Jordan's been being thrown about to be playing Superman, which I think will be awesome.
I think he's great in whatever he does. I haven't seen Sin as yet. Oh, it's stunning. It's amazing.
The soundtrack and the way it's filmed. It's a different type of movie. If you can get it, see it in the cinema. It's something of an experience.
Just because I said the music is just out of this world. Literally you feel the music, but just the tone. And Michael B. Jordan in that movie playing two different roles, two different parts.
I don't know how, I know that he's done the same thing twice because he's better standing different positions, but different personalities and stuff. Honestly, it's mesmerizing. You genuinely think that they've managed to split Michael B. Jordan because he's got that to go and you think, oh, god, there is actually two of them.
But I have never had a movie make me feel like the sun is shining on us. That's how brilliant this movie is. I could like feel the heat of the sun. I love vampires.
I'm obsessed with them. They're a good vampire movies and they're not very good ones. I'll stand by toy. I still don't mind it.
I'm a horror. As you may have noticed, I don't like vampires very much. I like lost boys and I like to be with them. I went through my whole handwriting.
I got a lot of girls' fears. But yeah, I don't like Bram Stoker's Dracula. I'm not a fan of me. I really did enjoy it.
I did an episode for Monsters on Bail and the Goresie and his Dracula. And that was so interesting. Because I love classic Hollywood and I love classic monsters. So I didn't enjoy that, but yeah, not a fan.
I've kind of found a bit of the players. It would have been interesting as I said, Michael B. John Asuman and all those little kickback and stuff. But I do find it would be a really interesting concept.
And has he done a bad movie? I don't think he has. No, and I think the kickback, I think, is right. And again, the community out there, I think, you know, there are a lot of keyboard warriors.
I mean, they're doing it for Bellaramsey at the moment. Oh, bless us. They're doing loads of horrible memes and pictures. And they did the same with Little Mermaid and then obviously...
Oh, that's awful. And I just think, and even I forgot a name now in Obi-Wan Kenobi. They were really racial towards her. And I just think it's really, really sad and it's wasted energy for these people that need to put their minds to good and do something else just like the internet.
I mean, that would be a good start. I don't think they realize that representation does matter. And when the Little Mermaid thing happened, all these videos on TikToks of little girls who were watching it and they could see themselves as Little Mermaid. And I was like, that's it?
That's why it's done for. Representation does matter. And you know what, my girls have never turned around and gone, Daddy, why is that Mermaid Latino? Why is that Mermaid mixed?
No. They don't care. It's not because it's not about a fish person. And it's bred into us.
Yeah. You know, 100%. You know, but Michael B Jordan, I think it would make an awesome Superman. But again, that will ruffle feathers because we are used to the standard looking Superman.
What we didn't do, we had it years ago as well when Will Smith was room at the Captain America for a period. Like, the hell on that caused online. And then when we finally did get the Black Captain America, they're like, oh, he's not my Captain America. It's like fine, it doesn't have to be your Captain America.
He is Captain America deal with it. It's a little bit of a rush. I mean, the thing is, how confusing is it for me? I mean, I look Superman.
So when someone says, who's your favorite Superman? It's so confusing because literally, I love them all for different reasons. Yeah. And I mean, Reeve will always be my OG Superman because that's the man that, I mean, in other films, like somewhere in time, I mean, it's an absolute beautiful film.
If you haven't watched it, it's the most romantic sort of classic period film that you can watch. But yeah, I mean, all of them from from Dean Kane, Tom Welling, Brandon Ralph, which I thought was amazing in two years. And look, I love his look. Because I love what Brian Singer did.
He continued from Superman too, with Reeve and continued that story in Superman Returns. I mean, it's a pity that Brian Singer has turned out to be an absolute douche. He's a real life monster. But the film itself, I thought, was classic and taking aside all the controversy with Kevin Spacey, who's awesome, he's an awesome actor.
And again, this is why I don't believe, I think, then to Washington once said, if you don't read the news, you're uninformed, if you read the news, you're misinformed. And a lot of the time with these actors, I don't take it as gospel when you hear on the news that they've been taken to court for X, Y and Z, with the exception of Didi, of course. But yeah, yeah, I think the court here speaks for itself on that one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but yeah, so, but yeah, I mean, Brandon Ralph, I just think it's fantastic, a superman and it's a pity that you didn't get another shot at it, but it was great that he got brought back for the CW.
It was kind of a closure for that as well. I felt like, not just like him as a person, I think he was afterwards. It felt like a closed door that he always kind of felt like, was never quite finished there. Was the fan base mean to him?
Not him, it was more towards it. Again, this is where I always found this conversation. We're talking about stories, people's different interpretation of stories. Like that's what movies are, like you can't boom, people saw closed minds, like you can't remake this, you can't do this.
Of course you can, people can just tell a different story, a different way of telling it and people's like, say it might not enjoy it, but again, that film might not be for you. I remember saying, my returns, and an iMac cinema in Manchester, and there was extra scenes in because with iMacs, it was extra things like where Superman was growing up, and it was during like the 3D phrase as well, so same things like when he fell and it was full and it was for the first time, everything that kind of came out. It was like one of the, like say, the spectacles and again, even modern day, they hate that amount of stale gots, they hate that amount versus Suman, I still love their movies for different, like, reasons, like, people say, oh, they can't do that. They can't because it's a different person's interpretation of their character, that story, it's just saying, you might not agree, but then you go and do your own thing, you go and do something better, if you think that's not right, but the way the people go on, it's like, things that belong to them.
It's a prime example when you, you've got a book that gets turned into a movie. Yeah. The majority of people don't like it because they're reading the book themselves and they are imagining the movie in their head. They're imagining what the scenes are going to look like, how it's going to play out.
So when they watch the movie, it doesn't sync up with what they imagined it to be, but what they need to understand, it's a director and a screenwriter that adapted that story into what they think is going to be the best thing to do. But yeah, Superman returns, I mean, I went to the BFI in London, the big one on the round about the iMacs one, and when it was in 3D, you had a little icon in the bottom to put your glasses on. And for me, what blew me away was when he pulled up the ship, you know, the yacht out of the water, and it was just incredible. It really, really was.
And I agree with Manasil, I think it's a wonderful film. I think it was more, I don't know, more gear towards adults and kids. So that's why I'm really looking forward to the James Gunn one, because I think it would be the first time I'd be able to send my girls to the summer to watch a Superman movie. That would be such a moment, because I feel like that is something, because I think you're right, Manasil felt very adult and for the adults.
And Batman vs Superman as well, because he had two major comic books being like amalgamated together in that one. But I feel like James Gunn is going to have such a fine line to appease the older generation, but also manage to bring in a brand new audience as well. I feel like he's got such a good grasp on it. And are you a fan of the original Superman?
George Harrison? George Harrison? George. George, George, George, George, George, George, George.
I said George Harrison on that. We did a Superman episode not long ago, and it's not, it's not the first time seeing Superman. I actually grew up with this. And Superman 2 is the movie that my dad tried to distract me with, to get me to stop watching Ghostbusters.
And it didn't work. But we did an amazing episode on Chris and Rayce Ligendia, and I kept calling George, Rayce, George Harrison. I was like, very, very different person. So yes, I don't know if you're going to do any research.
George, Rayce wasn't actually the first Man of Sailor Scream. No, it was Kirk Allen. What? Yes, Kirk Allen was the first Man to play Superman.
Not an idiot. Yeah, Noel Neal, I think her name was, was first Lois Lane as well. And a really good fact is if you watch the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve in the scene where they're on the train, and Jeff, what's his name? I've got his surname now.
They're going to kill me. Jeff, who plays a young Superman, he's running across by the train. And there's a little girl on the train, and she gets told by a mom and a dad to, you know, to not look outside. That is Kirk Allen, and that is Noel Neal, the first people that played Clark Kent, Superman, Lois Lane.
Thank you, Noel. George Reeve, I wasn't, to be fair, I haven't really watched a lot of this stuff. I have Kirk Allen because I was a great fan of when I was a kid. I used to get tapes of the Superman, like radio plays.
I love them, they're a little talkies. The way they spell it. It's like it's a bird. It's a spoon.
And it's all like that. It's just great. It's bones on the floor. I generally didn't know about that because I guess because I know all about George Reeve because I love scandalous Hollywood.
He is one of the scandals of Hollywood. I've watched a fair few documentaries and it obviously includes his clips and whatnot from Superman. That's probably, I've just haven't looked any further because you don't have a scandalous touch yet. I don't want to.
No, there was an interesting as well because I think it was like on the car, it was obviously like a little short, like on Mighty Mouse, the history of Superman like before and after and episode of Mighty Mouse as well. But yeah, I didn't know about Kirk Allen until like, I've been into it this week. I've actually got a certificate, it's a certificate from Metropolis in Illinois, and it's actually signed by Kirk Allen, Jerry Segal and Joe Schuster, they were the people that created Superman. So they've all signed it.
So that's nice and neatly kept away safe in case I need to sell it in in. Yeah, it's a bit bad. But I can't sell one of the kids. The kids would go first.
Sensitive, if the behaving. But yeah, I mean Kirk Allen, great Superman, George, George Reeve. If you like George Reeve, there is great film called Hollywoodland with Ben Affleck. Yeah, it's all good.
He's actually played Batman and Superman. Yeah, I love that. We always said you only have a dead devil because it was going to be Frank Miller's dead devil and he was like no one's going to have me his Batman. So I might as well do something with Frank Miller.
And yeah, I've seen it. Like I said, I love Hollywood. Anything Hollywood scandal. I have a whole big master book that gives me an encyclopedor of every Hollywood scandal that ever happens.
True story. I actually do. You're going to be very busy then because the amount of scandals in Hollywood. There's a lot.
There's a lot. You know about that. I asked for the boot, Hollywood, Babylon because I wanted to see because obviously that's a work of fiction. But I wanted to see what was being wrought about in Hollywood at the time.
I mean, he says I couldn't find it when I found this and just handed me this massive boot with just every list of Hollywood and Hollywood. A question, Sam. Do you think Marrydon Munro was killed or did she kill herself? I have a huge Marilyn van.
I'm obsessed with Marilyn. She lives in my hallway. I see her every morning. And yeah, I think she killed her.
How do you know? No, I just killed her. Yeah. And I have a theory on how they did it, how they hit it.
It's the graphic. But because there's a lot of things with the pills and everything and the bottle top was still fastened and they didn't actually find anything in our stomach. But what they could have found is if they were really looking hard enough as a toxin that was injected through her bum, that's why. Because yeah, I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories.
They waited over an hour before getting out. They waited four hours. It was around about four hours. So they ran her housemaid found her.
She then ran her doctor. Her doctor then did whatever for this four hours. And then they called the police first. Then they called an ambulance.
Yeah. Tell me. Tell me. It was nothing there.
Yeah. Especially with that. Yeah, I completely agree. I completely agree with that.
But I have read the books on the guy who was a mortician. I watch the interviews with the guy who was a mortician who did her whole field. So I am that person. With your call to the queen of macabre for a reason.
But yeah. Sorry, Superman. I'm really the best. It always happens to survive.
There's got to be a death talk about some point during the talk. Yeah. And so again, coming back to the Christopher Reeve ones because there's some that's amazing. And there's some that's interesting.
So I don't think you're talking about you talking about Superman for. I don't think it's as bad as people make it. Do you know why it was it was it was limited in money? Yeah.
Do you know why? No. So Canon films that made it right at the same time. They were making another film that I really enjoyed.
And it was part of my growing up, which was Masters of the universe. Right. We're dog long run. Yes.
So so basically Christopher Reeve only agreed to make Superman for if they took on his screenplay. Right. Because he wanted to do one where it was more about, you know, what could Superman do around the world, not just in America? So that's why he went to like the UN and it was all about nuclear weapons and everything like that.
I actually quite liked Superman for it was limited in the way of budget. Yeah. You had Clive Mansell that was originally cast as a nuclear man, one, and he actually filmed his parts and everything like that. And the sad thing is he got invited to the premiere, but he didn't know that he had been cut out of the actual film entirely.
So I had time with Clive and he was just you could tell that he was actually heartbroken by it because he filmed quite a lot of stuff for the film. Right. But I still liked it. I mean, he brought back John, he brought back Jean-Hak Murnia, John Cryer, and it was a good story.
I think they could have done better with it. And it's nice that they filmed in Milton Kings. It gives everyone a good place to go and check out. That's incredibly random.
And at times, Jim, where they actually filmed in and stuff like that. And but yeah, I mean, it's not the best. Even Chris Vareve said in an interview that really the first two was his favourite, which obviously they filmed back to back. They filmed at the same time.
Yeah. And there was a lot of controversy against that because Richard Donner, which we all love and which, you know, he'll always be remembered by the great, great films that he's made. He was directing, you know, the film at the time and making them both with the same, same time and obviously they ran out of money, the South, the Salkines. And they did a what they call a negative pick-up deal.
So so the Salkines paid for everything. And they were only getting the money back from Warner Brothers when they actually gave them the finished article. So they had to do the first movie, wrap it up and send it to them. And then because they got paid, it started to get rid of Richard Donner and get on Richard Lester, who was famous for like bomb movies and stuff, stuff like that.
I think Lester got a bit of a hard time afterwards as well. Because I can't do the cast especially. I don't think it was to his fault. He was just trying to do a job.
But I remember actually reading interviews about making it. He got a lot of shit for just trying to do it the best for the best of the bad situation. Yeah. And then and then you've got Margot Kidder that had issues.
This is why you don't see a lot of her in in Superman 3 and Superman 4. Because she had a falling out with the director and the makers and everything like that. One little fact though, I didn't realize, I only learned not long ago, I had a guest on and it was Margot Kidder's niece called Janet Kidder. And she was in Star Trek discovering she played the Green Woman, what's her name?
Asara? No. No, anyway. I talked to the wrong people when I'm from stress.
She was saying that she was on set all the time. Because she was living at the time with her auntie. But I didn't realize that Margot Kidder and Richard Pryor was in a relationship. Right?
I didn't know that. That's amazing. I told you this when we did the episode. The Superman episode.
And he told right. He wasn't there. Sorry. Sorry.
Sorry. That's a good word. But yeah, I didn't realize it was news to me. I got a bit of a shock when I read that.
I was like, I could not put them two together. Like, no, I got a lot about Margot Kidder when I did Black Christmas for once she's a joy. And she was a joy in that film. She really was.
And when we did the Superman episode, obviously I had to go and do the research because Superman is not my thing. It's my husband's, but not mine. And... She fell in love with it too.
And this actually answered. I really did. I am so proud of the Superman episode we did. It was so we did the first movie, the second one.
And then we talked about it to the man himself. We did the documentary. Which is one of the most special documentaries I've seen in a long time. Yeah.
So special. I was such a good word to describe it. But I learned a lot about the cast and how she was really affected by the change in director that she did. And she regretted it.
She did regret how she took it out on everyone. But she didn't know how to... She was so down at the fact that because they had such an amazing experience at the first part. Which was Richard Dunair.
And they ripped it away in the second part. Which means they ripped her spirits out as well. And I was like, oh, it's interesting to know that because that went away in the broad back of the Donnecott many years later. Yeah.
I recently watched it as well. Because I don't know if it was me remembering being memory playing tricks on it. I don't know if they showed it on ITV before they released it. But I remember seeing a different version of what was actually on the DVD that came out.
Yeah, I just found the DVD to be hilarious because they used sort of screen tests as well. To fill in the sort of the story. You can tell the greens and stuff for company art. You've got Reeve like weighing like £4 soaking wet.
So all of a sudden with just... Boop, boop, boop, boop. It's hilarious. It's really rough.
I would like to spend a little bit of time talking about the documentary. I think you've washed it right in just because... Yeah, do you know what? The documentary, I mean, it's so sad on so many levels because you've got to think that this is a man that could fly.
He flew his own planes in the custodians. And he was added a horse rider, I mean, he competed with his horse book. Which, you know, he had the accident on. And it was just heartbreaking to see the journey.
Because obviously I've read his book, Still Me, and then his follow up book, which is called Nothing Is Impossible. It's quite funny. There's still Me book actually got directly from Dana Reeve. Right.
Which actually signed it to me. So I've got it very safe and all wrapped up. Yeah, I've got that well projected. And literally just the film itself, I mean, it's just heartbreaking.
Especially with Robin Williams as well. Because obviously they were so close. They shared an apartment, they went to Juilliard together. And one of the stories in the documentary that didn't come to light was in his autobiography.
It's quite funny because when he made one of his first appearances, he was obviously in the wheelchair. Robin Williams literally was at the lectern, introduced him. And as he introduced him, he pulled out a big remote control, pulled the aerial from the remote control, and pretended he was controlling Christopher Reeve's chair. That just happened.
And he came in on stage. But it's stuff like that, the relationship. And when he passed, I think affected Robin very, very badly as well. But again, for his kids to be left, because obviously Dana passed away as well.
And Reeve was so young and actually wrote to Will, you know, a while back, to ask him about his parents. And I think I've got it just here. Let me just grab it and I'll take it away. There's...
What is his life? I've got it here. So he sent me a handwritten note. And he wrote on here, thank you for the lovely note.
It made my day. Thank you for your kind words about my parents. They certainly did lead the world a better place than they found it. The lesson that stays with me most among many is from both of my parents.
And that was give more than you take. They lived that and still that in me. And I try to live up to their message, an example every day. I hope I'm doing okay.
Be well. Well, I'm still okay. And to be honest, I mean, for someone that young to lose both parents. And to be so to the world just the first of years.
Will learn how to ride his bike from his dad in a wheelchair. Yeah. And how lucky we are his parents to be able to do that for our kids and how difficult life must have been. And at the moment, Reeve tried to commit suicide when he was hooked up to the machine.