Interview Only w/ Faiz Shakir - Is The Democratic Party’s Future More Progressive?

Faiz Shakir — Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign manager, former DNC chair candidate, and executive director of the progressive media organization More Perfect Union — joins the Chuck Toddcast for a bracingly honest conversation about what's wrong with the Democratic Party and what it would take to fix it. Shakir diagnoses a party that is functionally leaderless, with its top figures stuck in a "play dead" mentality while the Democratic brand polls worse than the Republican brand even as Trump's corruption grows more brazen by the day. He argues that Trump — like Biden before him — is finger-wagging at voters on the economy rather than addressing affordability, and that Democrats are blowing the opportunity to capitalize because they're terrible at picking fights and allergic to friction. Shakir is particularly scathing on the party's relationship with big tech and corporate power: He holds up Bernie Sanders' AI data center moratorium as the kind of fight Democrats should be waging, and Lina Khan's FTC tenure as the model of mission-driven disruption. The conversation then turns to the future of the party and how to build a lasting majority. Shakir argues that the right candidate could move 7% of the electorate from right to left, that if Sanders were younger he'd likely win in 2028, and that Sanders has more credibility than AOC because he represents a rural state — though he praises both AOC's national appeal and Ro Khanna's political intelligence. He insists Democrats need to fight a class-based economic justice campaign, stop punishing candidates who aren't perfectly aligned on social issues, and recognize that "independent" doesn't mean centrist — younger voters are disillusioned with both parties and hungry for a working-class-first agenda. Shakir offers a detailed vision for DNC reform: fund state parties based on merit and metrics, move Nevada to first on the primary calendar because Vegas politics would orient the party toward working-class concerns, add Michigan and North Carolina to the early window,and invest in sun belt opportunities He closes by noting that James Talarico channeled Bernie's message with a religious-based framing, and that Democratic voters always gravitate toward outsiders — the party just needs to let them run.  Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Go to https://Quince.com/chuck for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.  Protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. Get up to $3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes at https://ethos.com/chuck. Application times may vary. Rates may vary. Thank you Wildgrain for sponsoring. Visit http://wildgrain.com/TODDCAST and use the code "TODDCAST" at checkout to receive $30 off your first box PLUS free Croissants for life! Timeline: (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements) 00:00 Faiz Shakir joins the Chuck ToddCast 01:45 Democratic party seems leaderless 02:15 Would you run again for DNC chair? 03:45 Leaders of the party have a bit of a “play dead” mentality 04:30 Democratic brand is still in worse shape than Republican brand 05:45 Trump having billionaires at inauguration was foreshadowing 06:15 Trump’s corruption is incredibly brazen 07:15 It’s obvious Trump doesn’t care about affordability 08:15 Trump, like Biden, is finger wagging at voters on the economy 09:30 Vance sold himself as an anti-interventionalist populist  10:15 Vance has had to completely go against his political identity 11:00 Trump’s corruption has totally undermined Vance 12:30 Trump’s argument of "imminent threat” from Iran is nonsense 14:00 Chuck Schumer told his caucus to “suck it up” on crypto  15:30 The public is far ahead of politicians in being skeptical of AI 16:15 Very little is being offered by AI that would improve lives of working class 17:00 Every candidate in Illinois senate race basically has a big tech sponsor 18:15 Democratic party is terrible at picking fights and don’t like friction 19:00 Bernie Sanders AI data center moratorium reflects the public sentiment 19:45 Democrats are so heady on policy they let their politics suffer 21:00 There’s a movement of independent candidates, but winning matters 21:45 Independents are offering a different, working class first agenda 23:00 Democrats punish candidates who aren’t perfectly aligned on social issues 24:30 Bernie Sanders is stronger candidate in a general election than a primary 25:30 The right candidate could move 7% of the electorate from right to left 27:15 If Sanders were younger and could run in 2028, he’d likely win 28:15 Sanders has more credibility than AOC because he’s from rural state 29:00 Democrats need to fight a class based, economic justice campaign 31:15 How would you make changes at the DNC? 32:30 How should Democrats approach secondary races in MT & NE? 34:00 Younger voters are disillusioned with both parties, are independent minded 34:45 Independent does not mean centrist 35:45 State by state redistricting will eventually need national overhaul 37:30 Democrats “adult in the room” status has helped them in some places 38:45 Democrats have been viewed as the status quo party 39:30 Who is the heir apparent to Bernie? 40:00 Bernie respects the national appeal of AOC 41:45 Ro Khanna is incredibly smart and calculating 42:30 Politics has become an entertainment industry as much as policy 44:15 Voters want a disrupter with goals that are attainable 45:00 Lina Khan had a sense of imagination at the FTC 46:15 Mission driven disruption is associated with the progressive wing 47:15 Gavin Newsom has become the anti-Trump Democratic candidate 48:00 Newsom fighting the wealth tax is probably hurting himself with base 49:00 Rahm Emmanuel will struggle to overcome his political baggage 49:45 Democrats have surrendered on education as a national issue 50:30 Democrats should be offering year round schooling with new curriculum 51:15 Democrats should propose public service jobs with good pay & benefits 53:00 Nevada is the ideal first state for Democratic primary calendar 54:00 Vegas politics would orient Democrats to working class concerns 54:30 Michigan & NC should be in the first four for Democrats 55:45 Iowa & NH were battlegrounds because of first in nation status 58:30 DNC needs to give state parties money based on merit & metrics 59:45 Democrats have to find somewhere in sun belt to invest in 1:01:15 Mississippi could be best value in the south for Dems 1:02:00 Mississippi has a strong labor base to be courted 1:03:15 More debate between Talarico & Crockett would have been good for party 1:03:45 Talarico channeled Bernie’s message with a religious based framing 1:05:15 If Talarico or Platner win senate race, they’re serious 2028 candidates 1:06:30 Democratic voters always like an outsider in their presidential candidates 1:08:00 What is More Perfect Union and where can people find your work?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.