Interviews with: White House hostage negotiator Roger Carstens, Sen. Bernie Sanders, Legislative Affairs Director Louisa Terrell

First, Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs Roger Carstens joins Dana to discuss the trade to free Brittney Griner and his efforts to bring Paul Whelan home from Russia. Next, Sen. Bernie Sanders weighs in on Sen. Krysten Sinema's split with the Democratic Party to register as a political independent. Then, our panel debates the significance of Sinema's surprising decision, as well as Kevin McCarthy’s struggle to lock down support to become Speaker of the House. Finally, in our latest installment of "Badass Women of Washington," meet President Biden's Director of Legislative Affairs Louisa Terrell, who's charged with pushing the president's agenda in Congress.  To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices