EPISODE · May 23, 2026 · 1H
Intuitive Outlining: How to Use Story Structure Without Feeling Trapped by It
from No Mess, No Magic · host Monica Hay
If you've ever opened a beat sheet, stared at a plotting template, and immediately wanted to throw your laptop out a window, this episode is for you. (This is how I am lol)In this conversation, I sit down with book coach and editor Lewis Jorstad to talk about intuitive outlining—a flexible approach to story development that helps writers create stronger stories without sacrificing creativity, curiosity, or the joy of discovery.We explore why traditional outlining methods work brilliantly for some writers and completely fall flat for others, the difference between developing a story and plotting a story, and how to use story structure as a tool rather than a cage. Lewis also shares his approach to "waypoint scenes," how character motivations shape plot, and why there may be thousands of good versions of your novel!Along the way, we discuss:Why some writers feel stuck by traditional outlining methodsThe difference between plotting, outlining, and story developmentHow to use character motivations to create organic plotWhat to do if your ideas only show up while you're actively draftingWhy perfectionism keeps writers trapped in endless outlining and revisionThe "helicopter vs. forest" analogy for understanding your natural writing process (I was obsessed with this!)How to know when you're ready to start draftingWhy discomfort is a normal part of writing—and how to tell when it's helping you growWhether you're a dedicated plotter, a die-hard pantser, or someone who's tried both and hated both, this episode offers a refreshing perspective on finding a writing process that works for you.About Lewis JorstadLewis Jorstad is the editor and book coach behind The Novel Smithy, where he helps debut fiction writers turn their messy drafts into finished novels they’re proud to publish.With over eight years of experience, Lewis has edited 250+ manuscripts, written seven bestselling writing guides, and supported over 2,000 writers around the world. These days, he's on a mission to help writers embrace their brain’s intuitive way of telling stories, while also creating page-turning novels readers can’t put down.Check out Lewis's offers here: https://thenovelsmithy.com/Find Monica's website here: https://monicahay.com/Monica's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/monicahayauthor/
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