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So if you're looking for use, yes, this is the third episode in three weeks, three in a row. If you aren't confused, that probably means you missed Episode 4 as it was a special unscheduled episode, which also means you're probably not following us on Twitter. We're not mad. We're just disappointed, that's all.
Anyway, we're your hosts. I'm Marquez Brownlee. And I'm Andrew Manganelli. And on this episode, we're going to go over the ongoing Tesla versus Portia Saga, and then we'll dive a little deeper into iPhone 11 Pro, and then we might as well just go ahead and do our own Pixel 4 launch event because the internet is leaked, basically everything.
Then we'll hit on some OnePlus rumors, and we'll finish it off with the Q&A. Let's get into it. Alright, so we've actually dropped five new videos since our last scheduled episode of Waveform. Yeah, I mean, we had an unscheduled one in there, so a lot of the videos we've pretty much talked about, but...
Yeah, but it's that time of year, man. It's just about to be full swing. We call it hardware season. We can call it tech season, tech-tember, tech-tember.
Nobody would call it. It's underway. It's about to be late, I would say. So one of those was a Galaxy Fold video.
So we had sort of a short overview of the fixes they had for the reinforced re-release. We call it the Galaxy Fold 1.1. A lot of minor things. You might not even notice them if you hadn't seen the original Galaxy Fold, but in the video, we went over little caps at the end of the phone, and a little more rigid hinge.
But overall, it's generally the same idea, same phone, same screen, same specs, but hopefully it doesn't break on day one for people, maybe it takes a little longer than that. I think they were so proud about showing that robot that folded it like 10,000 times, but I just really think they underestimated how much human nature we're just ready to just fuck shit up. I think that's just what happens when you test a phone in a vacuum, and you don't really do a whole ton of outside of lab testing, and most of this is because they wanted to keep it secret, which they successfully did. But then you have people testing it for the first time, which are reviewers, and people trying to publish what they find about it, and they just start breaking in ways that they didn't account for.
So hopefully this one doesn't do the same thing. I actually kind of have a feeling, and I mentioned in the video, that these are still going to break, but it's still a fragile phone, and the number one thing I think is going to break, if I were to make a prediction right now, I was betting. The thing that's going to break for regular people who actually buy this is the screen, just the soft plastic front of it. It's way too soft.
Yeah, so the hinge might not be a problem anymore because they did reinforce that, but I think that soft plastic is still a little bit of a barrier for me. Yeah, I think one of the reviewers that broke it was mentioning how their fingernails started to cut into it, and I think in the video we show that when you open it up now, it tries to tell you to tap it lightly, but as much as it probably also tells you not to drop the phone, but everyone drops their phone, so it's going to happen. You're going to tap the screen. It's going to start breaking.
How long would you give it? Well, someone's going to break it on day one because Zach's going to get his. I can't wait for that. I think he's going to have to order 10 of them.
That's going to be fun to watch. But yeah, no, I mean, it's out there now, and people are going to start to use them, and people are going to spend $1,980 and get their folding phone, and that's on one hand really exciting that we live in that world now, that people are going to start buying and using folding phones. But on the other hand, yeah, still a fragile phone. But it's out there now.
We've shown the update. You guys can take the risk if you want, but there's, of course, plenty of choice. And then we also showed this week the ASUS ROG Phone 2. It's the spec king, and we've seen this on paper.
This phone, if you've watched the video, you already know, it's sort of a small design iteration from last year, but the specs are sick. It's a Snapdragon 855 plus, which is the highest end non-apple made silicon. It's 12 gigs of fast RAM. It is up to a terabyte, and this is going to be available later this year.
You can have a half a terabyte now, but up to a terabyte of UFS 3.0 storage, which is fast storage. That's already an insane spec sheet. Then on top of that, you have a 6,000 milliamp power battery. That's the biggest battery I've ever used in the phone.
You also have a headphone jack. You have a 48 megapixel main camera, and you have 120 hertz OLED display on the front. It's got a lot going forward on paper. The question was, does it translate well to real life?
Everyone in our comments forever has been saying, well, the specs. They usually do translate pretty well. Something that is a perfect translator is battery. Unless you're comparing an iPhone to an Android phone, pretty much among all Android phones.
You can get a pretty good idea. If it says 2,800 milliamp hours, and it's got a giant high refresh rate screen, it's not going to last very long. If it's a 6,000 milliamp power battery, it's just going to last a much longer time. I don't want to spoil anything, but I feel like this one's a lock for battery champ.
We talked about this. We talked about a couple of smartphone award things, and it's hard to, but I can't see this one losing. I can't see it losing battery. I'm also thinking it's probably up for best big phone of the year, just because when you think of, like, an actually great use of space, the phone is not over.
That's huge, right? But it's not overly cumbersome and impossible to use, and they manage to stuff like everything you could possibly put in a phone in it. So possible best use of big space, too. It's a good phone.
It's under the radar. Yeah. There are a couple issues with bands in the US, right? Yeah.
The US versions are coming later, and they're actually, like I said, the turbine version isn't shipping for a couple more weeks, but I think when it does get to the US, people will find it a pretty great option. I'll be super excited the first time I see one of them out in the wild. It's not my daily driver anymore, though. No.
No. I switched back to the OnePlus 7 Pro, and the biggest thing I miss from the Asus ROG Phone 2 is the gigantic battery, but the biggest advantage of the OnePlus 7 Pro is the warp charging. So I actually, you know, I do find myself running through battery a bit faster, instead of being at 60% around today, like this time of day, I'd be at like 40%, but I'll just plug in on the car at home and I'll be back up to like 70, 80, 90. We're definitely in the world where someone has a charger almost everywhere.
So it is really easy to not have to last a day, but it definitely, that's 6,000 mAh battery. It's nice to, like, I'm not that worried about fast charging. If I know literally the only time I have to plug it in is when I go to bed at night. Honestly, it changed the way, like it changed the way I used chargers at phone.
Like every phone I pretty much ever use, I'm constantly thinking about when am I going to be able to plug in. Maybe it's a bit unhealthy, but like that's just what I'm thinking about. This phone, I was like, all right, it's the biggest battery I've ever used. Let's see how good it really is.
I'm going to decide to use it extra hard, and I'm going to not charge it even when I can. So on the way to work, I just have a car charger, like sitting there waiting to plug in for my GPS, without ever plugging anything in, and yeah, like you saw in the video, I was ending the day with like half the battery left. That's not just crushing it, so yeah, that phone is, it's great, but I did end up switching back because I'm a bit more of a fan of the oxygen OS experience than 90 Hertz versus 120. Have you looked at the 120 Hertz display?
Just a tad. Not too much, and I'm also only, I'm using Pixel 3, so I'm not used to really having my high refresh rate on my phone. Sorry, okay, so you're ready. You're ready for a high refresh rate.
I'm so ready. I could kind of sort of sort of tell the difference between 120 Hertz and 90, and I can definitely tell the difference between 90 and 60. Yeah, major difference. I think that's the bigger jump.
I've talked about it before. Oh, a lot, yeah. This is my biggest gripe with the new note, is like everything's great about that phone, but I can see the difference between 60 and 90. And if the note 10 was a 90 Hertz display, I would have loved that thing.
I'd probably still be using it. Yeah, would you be, so every year I feel like I work here, I've always found you go back and forth between OnePlus and Pixel. That usually once you get into a daily drive, Samsung sneaks in sometimes, but yeah, I'm so used to you using OnePlus, because it's so fast. It's definitely the best way to be a camera.
Go back to Google, but I can confirm here that he's been using OnePlus for a very long time. Yeah, so OnePlus 7 Pro came out in March or something like that. And it's been more or less my primary Android phone since then. I'll test other phones and I'll end up going back to it.
Probably the longest I've seen you with one phone that wasn't being tested before switching, which is saying a lot. I think the real driver for that is it was first and 90 Hertz. And every time I had to switch back to another phone, it was a phone that didn't have 90 Hertz. And that's just what it came down to.
But we're going to have a bunch more options later this year. So that's exciting. That's very exciting. Anyway, we also have all of our iPhone videos this week, but we'll touch up on that a little bit later.
Do you have any videos or some content you thought was worth sharing specifically in the last two weeks? Yeah. So since we're on a podcast, why not talk about a podcast and why not talk about a podcast from another creator? Perfect.
Yeah. So two people we love, Phil and Franco and Casey Neistat. They joined in on Phil and Franco's podcast episode, a combo with, I think. Yeah, I like it.
So he's doing a video podcast, but also distributing it like an audio podcast. But if you want to watch the video version, it's usually a pretty good extra bit to see the video. Yeah, the video is cool. I don't think you're missing anything, but the set for one is fantastic.
Yeah. It's really well done. It's cutting back and forth really nicely. They have a great setup, but I just really enjoyed.
I feel like so many people get Casey on and it's so easy to just talk about his daily vlogging and everything, but Phil and them have talked so many times that they went a lot deeper into just what his life is like outside of being a creator and how he's an L.A. kid. Yeah. Well, he keeps Phil keeps calling him a former YouTube stuff.
Now that's not a daily vlogging. Yeah. There's one story in particular about how he, how it's tough as a creator to talk poorly about things and how he had this video where he was going to like expose this restaurant that he really likes when it wasn't really that bad, but it's just this hilarious story about how he knows so much about maple syrup and he ordered this $12 waffle that had maple syrup, pure maple syrup and he knew it wasn't pure maple syrup and he ran all these tests to prove that it wasn't maple syrup and he was about to release the video and he felt too bad about the restaurant. That's such a Casey video.
It sounds hilarious. I wish I could see it. I just pictured him slamming a jar of syrup down on the top down set and like showing a meter into it to measure the sugar content. That's hilarious.
Yeah. I know. I'll definitely. I saw part of it.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but it's worth us. Just a lot of really fun stories. Nice. I also got a little piece.
So John Rettinger, another tech YouTuber who's done a lot of great stuff. He's been on a rampage of these incredibly thoughtful, not necessarily reviews, but just like thought pieces about the tech world, and his big one, which was cinematography, cinematography, it was shot really well. His last video was what if there was no iPhone 11, but mainly just what if Apple went bankrupt at any of the points in history where they were close to getting really put under. There's a couple major points in history that goes over in that video that are just fascinating to think about.
I did cameo in this video, so maybe I'm a little biased if you watched that intro. I'm in there, but it's a great piece of just sort of ponder what would have happened if Apple wasn't the most powerful company in the world right now. It's like story based, which is really cool because we don't see that in this tech. Yeah.
And it's just great to have a breath of fresh air on something a little different. And it, yes, it's shot beautifully. Is that like an Airbnb that like sets that like refrigerator and stuff and everything? Set design goes a long way.
I also want to say like I've been immersed in that world of retro tech for the past couple months now that we've been shooting it, and I'm definitely not going to spoil what it is, but one of the episodes has a lot to do with a lot of what John talked about. And yeah, the storytelling and just that story in general about that period in time with Apple is really fascinating. So check that out and a little plug for retro tech coming in December, which is just what? Two short months away now.
It's going to feel like in a week when we're just testing out. We're going to watch a bunch of modern tech videos and then suddenly boom retro tech right at the end of the year. It's going to be great. Okay.
Well, yeah, that's that's a good little two setter for content to check out for the last two weeks. Here's what I want to talk about. I'm sure you do. Here's what I want to talk about.
Porsche versus Tesla part two. Okay. So we went over. You guys, you were probably listening to the last episode of the podcast where we talked about Porsche Taycan.
I'm trying to say correctly now. Porsche Taycan is the way I'm supposed to say. I think Taycan. Taycan is a Porsche Taycan.
Porsche Taycan. Porsche. Porsche. But we all saw that announcement and I don't even know if I can say that they technically took any shots at Tesla on stage, but everybody knew that every time they compared themselves to air quotes, the competition, they were talking about Tesla models.
It wasn't the Chevy Volt. It wasn't the Chevy Volt. They didn't really make any Nissan Leaf jobs on stage. They were kind of going squarely at their high performance cousin.
So that happened. And you know, there's kind of silence and there's a little bit of, you know, people tagging Elon like, Hey, what do you got to say about Porsche? And I think he did say something like, yeah, why did you put turbo in the name? I don't think that word means what the fuck it means.
Obviously in this electric car battle, but of course, the competitive nature of a competitive CEO just couldn't stay inside and he had to start making moves. And I'm sure a lot of this was hush hush for a while, but now they're officially working on some new hardware for Tesla and I would probably call this a refresh to take on the Taycan, to take the Taycan, to take on the Taycan to make moves. So here's where I'll start. Porsche was bragging about their lap time about the Nurburgring, right, 13 mile track, something like that very, very, very long lap, difficult for an electric car to lap without cool and kicking in and living performance.
So they set their record around the Nurburgring and a lot of people will turn their heads back to Tesla like, yeah, well, what are you going to say? What are you going to do? Like the Porsche is going to be better at driving around tracks than you. Yeah, we talked about it in the episode where we talked about this.
Yeah. Tesla hasn't been able to do it because it's a grueling track. Yeah. And a huge car.
Yeah. So Elon tweets that the Model S is done in the Nurburgring. Okay. Like when you, a lot of people don't realize this about these track runs is you don't just show up in your car and just go and time yourself like this is a, this is an officially time thing.
You hire a professional driver who knows the course well so that he can set your optimal lap time. If you go look at the, the best lap times around, I think it's both Laguna, and Nurburgring, but if you look at Laguna, second top like 30 lap times, about 15 or 20 of them are set by the same one guy in a bunch of different cars, which is fascinating because this person knows the ins and outs of that track. So these race car drivers are hired to go, to go drive and set the best possible lap time in that car. So Elon tweets this model.
That's going to Nurburgring next week. And then a bunch of articles come out afterwards like Tesla doesn't have a reservation or any sort of a setup or scheduling to actually do this. So if they're doing a record run, Nurburgring doesn't know about it, which is kind of a perfectly Elon thing to happen. But then shortly after this, the shorter track called Laguna Seca, I'm going to just pronounce a lot of things during this.
I think Laguna is right. All right. Well, so Laguna Seca is a shorter track. It's about a minute and a half to lap, maybe up to two minutes.
And he shows a Model S lapping Laguna Seca in a record for a four to a car, one minute, 36 seconds. The tweet is actually from the Tesla account this time. And they, let me actually read the tweet because we were in the airport when this tweet came up and I've been sort of just on the fence about whether or not Tesla is going to refresh their cars. And then I saw this in my timeline.
So let me read it. So the tweet is some personal news. So Laguna Seca in one minute, 36.55 seconds during advanced R&D testing of our Model S plaid powertrain and chassis prototype. That's one second faster than the record for a four-door sedan.
And you can see this video of a, you know, from the driver's perspective and through the front of the car. And if you squint, you can see there's a Model 3 steering wheel on this car and there's a driver in a helmet, assuming not his first lap, but he's doing his crazy fast lap. And I'm reading this and I'm like, what, what is a plaid powertrain and a chassis prototype? What's going on?
This is when we were sitting in Austin Airport because San Francisco is a nightmare to fly out of right now. We were just like completely exhausted sitting in this airport. Mark is just like, wait, they just did Laguna Seca. Oh, wait, what is this weird badge on the back?
Like, there's a lot of questions raised from that. I tweeted at them. I didn't get any answers. But I'm like, what is a plaid powertrain?
Is this different from my current powertrain? Turns out when you look into it. So during a roadster reveal, which is really the semi-truck reveal, but the roadster reveal of the new roadster, they talked about the plaid powertrain being triple motors, two motors in the back, one in the front for the roadster. That's how it goes plaid, which is just another word for faster than ludicrous mode.
Yeah. So I see all these tweets and I start looking up. And it turns out there's rumors that there's a Model S with a plaid triple motor powertrain. And they're testing this triple motor Model S with an updated sort of racing style, not racing style, but a slightly modified chassis that will eventually be a spec that you can buy.
So this is, I'm going to say this is a direct response to Porsche. Like, I can't like verify any of this. None of this is directly referencing Porsche. But once you have the shot fired of the Taycan and the lap times and this being the clear obvious advantage for the Porsche, and then Tesla comes back with their still much cheaper car with them saying, hey, look, we're going to do lap times now and we're going to set records with our lap times.
And I think even some people were tweeting out Elon trying to get more information about it. And he said something about this is going to be faster than, but cheaper than the competition. He didn't say what the competition is, but I'm going to say that's the Porsche. So I think we have competition to thank for this.
For sure. I'm sure they've been developing it obviously for a while, but it's way too coincidental that the laps start coming out right here. So this is perfect timing. So there's actually some spy shots of, I guess some people took some telephoto shots through offensive what they saw with some testing of what was going on.
So sort of behind the scenes of that Tesla tweet of advanced R&D testing. And there's a red Tesla Model S, looks like a normal Model S at first, but if you squint a little bit on the back, they have a P100D plus badge, which is kind of weird because they stopped using a P100D name. They just put dual motor and performance on the back now, but P100D plus, so that would assume better than the current P100D, but still 100 kilowatt hour battery, I guess. And it's got a bit of a bigger spoiler from where downforce, it's got a bigger air intake right above the front splinter, much bigger.
And it's got these big tires on the back and I'm assuming a slightly lighter chassis, but big, big tires that sort of flare out on the back for better traction. So this is a full on new plaid spec for Model S and to top it all off, Elon tweeted, and this is a sort of a good news bad news situation, he tweeted that it's coming up at the end of next year, October, November, 2020. And here's my theory. And I hate that this is the theory, but it's probably true.
We were kind of all assuming the Roadster 2020 was delayed. It wasn't coming out in 2020. Now we pretty much know it's not. It's coming out after the plaid Model S and Model X.
That's confirmed because didn't he reply to one of your tweets that Roadster would be after a plaid Model train? Yeah. So there's going to be a Model S and Model X that get a certain slightly more expensive, but still less expensive than Porsche plaid powertrain. That will be at the end of next year.
And then Roadster plaid powertrain will come after that, which means if they're starting production at the end of next year, I don't expect to see Roadster at all in 2020. Unless it sneaks in in December, just to spite you, which is going at you on spite him. I'm sure he won't mind. Please spite me.
Please ruin my prediction and come out at the end of 2020. But yeah, I don't expect that. So there's all kinds of crazy back and forth happening now with Porsche and Tesla. There's also rumors that Tesla finally did circuit the Nurburgring, and this is purely rumors at this point.
I don't think there's any sort of confirmation. So the record time set by the Taycan was seven minutes and 42 seconds. The rumor time set by the Plaid Model S was seven minutes, 23 seconds. So that's 20 seconds faster, which is not a small amount of time for an improvement.
So that's just generally great for electric cars to be making strides this quickly forward. It's bad news that the Roadster's delayed, but also he's tweeted that it's definitely, I think he said absolutely going to beat the all time record for a production car around the Nurburgring, which is like six minutes and 44 seconds or something wild like that. So yeah, I think he's just a jumbling of good news and bad news all in the name of competition. I'm just happy the competition is pushing things forward.
But put sad you're losing Roadster for possibly another year? Yeah. I think I'd already kind of given up hope. So it doesn't hit me as hard as it would have if this was the first time I suspected it was delayed.
But yeah, just a whole spiral of news. That's all right. So now that you've dug yourself into the delayed Roadster depression, let's talk about some phones before you get too sad. Sure.
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Rules and restrictions play. All right, we're back. So iPhone 11 Pro. This was the latest.
We saw a couple of iPhone videos in the past couple of weeks, the first impressions of the iPhone 11, the iPhone 11 Pro, the unboxings of the green, and the reviews live. You still like the green out you've seen in person? I don't like it as much. Really?
Surprisingly. I'm sure a lot of people when you did the last podcast were like, Bullshit Andrew, you've seen the green, but we were waiting to save it for an unboxing, so I actually didn't open it. You didn't get to see it. It's much less green than I thought.
And even like the video we made, it's so hard to tell what it actually looks like until you see it in person because it changes based on lighting and whatnot. It's definitely leaning way more gray than I was expecting. Yeah, you can't really put too much. I mean, a lot of people are just going to put a case on it anyway, so whatever.
But yeah, it does. It's one of those finishes that looks different in different lights. Comes off a little more gray. Sometimes comes off a little more green, but the iPhone 11 Pro's are in.
The reviews are in. The focus of the phone is pretty much the camera. That's the main thing that we're focusing on. That's a pun.
I'm just going to keep saying over and over. So that was the focus of the review is the camera. That's our focus. The camera.
It's the focus. Okay. Anyway, so I think the main question that pretty much everyone has is are these cameras the best in any phone now? Are they better than the Pixel?
Are they better than Samsung? Are they better than Huawei? For me, in daylight, I mean, you can watch the review, but I think in daylight, this takes the best photos now of any smartphone. I think it's sort of a coin flip if it's actually better than the Pixel sometimes in regular standard daylight, but it's pretty much a plus quality and then you get into lower light and the night mode is where things begin to stratify again.
I think you can basically, you can tell now, and I think, man, the night mode sort of bracket that we do of the blind smartphones is going to be really interesting because they are much more different from each other at night. The Pixel at night really tends to over exaggerate bringing things into light. It'll basically turn night into day. It'll turn the black sky a little brighter into blue.
It'll crank every light it possibly can and saturate everything and it's this really dramatic, crazy photo. And the effect is really cool. But the iPhone on the other hand is doing a much more, I guess, responsible job of not blowing out every sort of detail. It's mainly just combining these longer exposures to make things more visible and more detailed and not crank up the sharpness and detail and saturation.
Yeah, so it still feels like a nighttime photo rather than... Exactly. Exactly. I mean, if you put them side by side, you're going to say, oh, the Pixel, it's just way brighter on the Pixel.
It's clearly done a better job with night mode. But the more you pixel people inspect, you can do crazy stuff by editing the iPhone's photo, which some people are into, but there's also other preferences people may have. So I'm going to leave that up to the blind smartphone camera test when we actually get to it, but I think the difference between these cameras is more apparent in night mode and in daytime, especially in videos, this thing takes amazing 4K videos. I have not taken any slow-motion selfies yet, so I don't want to.
I'm not going to say it, but yeah, that's where we're at so far with the camera. So it's been pretty great. I highly advise watching the review. That's where the opinions are.
So I think we have a couple of Pixel leaks to talk about a few, like one or two photos and very photos. One article title was here are 21 more photos of the Google Pixel 4. I think I'm enjoying Pixel leaks just because of the titles of articles at this point. It's pretty funny.
This sort of leak versus promo culture that we're in right at this very moment, especially with the Pixel, is fascinating to me. If you look back, so yes, the Pixel, normally Pixel 3 leaks, that phone leaks so much, you basically didn't have to go on stage and say anything. You could just go, yup, here's the price, bye. I didn't actually have to do any announcements.
There's no Pixel 3 Ultra. I've just done that and we would have been like, all right, confirmed, everything's true. And it kind of feels like that waterfall of leaks has been surpassed yet again with Pixel 4. But in a much stranger way this year, I feel like the one thing that kind of confused everyone is when we first started getting those little bit of leaks, Google's just like, oh, here you go.
This is what it looks like. It was back in June. They tweeted about it. So there was the rumors of the quad camera back or the camera square on the back.
And they just went, you know what? Here's a picture. This is the back of the phone. Now use this image for the rest of your talking about the phone.
This is it. And we went, wow, that's crazy. Google's embracing the leak culture by leaking it themselves. That's not what's happening.
But okay, we'll just go with that. But now we've seen a literal like a 10 minute Vietnamese unboxing and review video of the entire phone a month before it comes out. Yes, it quieted down a bunch. I wonder if people just weren't looking.
I don't know. We just didn't have that many leaks. And then I think I talked about article titles before, nine to five Google has these. I'm going to read two article titles that are like six days apart.
Number one. And far less hype. Is it bad for the Google Pixel 4? That was September 6th on September 13th.
Actually, I think Google Pixel 4 is leaked enough now. Thanks. That's less than a week later. Oh my God.
I don't know what happened. Whatever Dan was holding back the leaks didn't just start leaking more fucking Michael Bay came in and blew it the hell up. Yeah. The doors are off, man.
Everything you need to know about the phone, the design, the way it looks, the features looks like we know it's 90 Hertz, the Android 10 feature specific stuff like the coral color way. I actually love that there was a, there's so many leaks now you just sort of read a headline like now we know something new about the phone. There was a headline about how Google has confirmed the coral color of the phone in a time square ad. And you're like, all right, we knew we knew there was a coral color.
Google just puts a picture of the phone in Times Square on a billboard. And we kind of rips back and forth on that on Twitter for a little bit. Like Google accidentally just reveals everything about the phone before it comes out. Like Google talks about Neelize Reply was Google accidentally reveals Pixel 5 on stage during Pixel 4 event.
Yeah. They didn't exactly do a great job. Do you think this is intentional? That's my question.
Honestly, no, but like, I don't blame people for thinking it is. I mean, you have a bunch of leaks that come out right around the Apple event. It's hard. It's hard.
But I'm going to go ahead and say it. I don't think it is. I don't. I honestly don't.
I think anyone who can plan that well would probably put one in six gigs. Oh, yeah. Okay. So here's here's a perfect here's what I think it they tried to do one thing and ended up being another thing.
So the pixel leaked a lot last year. So they probably went behind the scenes and they're like, all right, guys, the phone's going to start to leak. And then what we're going to do is we're going to be these social geniuses and we're going to just start embracing leak culture and leaking the phone ourselves and posting promo images. And then I'll get people hyped and it'll be perfect and it'll go hand in hand and out the event will make some joke on stage about how you might have seen this before.
And then it'll go great. Everyone will love it. And then everything about the phone leaks before they got to say anything. And I think what they were trying to do is kind of what OnePlus does.
If you've noticed the past, I think like three generations of phones now, OnePlus basically says everything about their phone before it comes out, but they do this sort of a slow dribble of like one stack at a time every couple of days and they'll give an official source like their CEO or their official account will just tweet or say a new spec or a new thing to keep people talking about the phone. Yeah, it keeps it in the cycle. Exactly. It keeps it on your mind.
It keeps it in the headlines. People want plus seven pro will have a higher or something about a smooth focus and you're like, Oh, I think that means it's going to be higher. Interesting. Cool.
And then the next day they'll be like, Oh, it'll have up to 12 gigs of RAM. And now there's a new article about how the one plus seven pro might have 12 gigs of RAM. The next day they're like, we have a special charging solution. I wonder what that is.
And you just keep talking about the phone and talking about the phone. I think that's probably what Google would have wanted to do with Pixel 4 and they had, you know, that little ad that they shared a video of like a gesture of like swiping on like kind of what LG did, like waving your hand in front of the phone. I bet they plan on sharing that once some something about the top bezel leak, they would have been like, trust me. It's for a good reason.
But did everything. It's so out there now. You can't hide anything. Yeah.
I have a hard time believing that they coordinated some Vietnamese channel to do entire like we're at a whole nother level where we're not just getting what was it last year? Wasn't it like someone in Russia got a bunch of like black market kind of it kind of almost did go this far. I remember there was actually review. There were multiple reviews of the phone and other languages before the phone actually came out.
I don't know if it was a month before the phone came out one of that it's like it's really a month before the phone supposed to be. I remember some like quick videos. These whatever this Vietnamese channel is I don't know who they are, but they know what they're doing. They're sit down, framed up videos with a purpose and they're just reviewing the phone and we're getting to look through all the settings.
And I remember back in my day, leaks were just a half resolution blurry photo of the back of someone's hand. I remember when that's one. I remember it was an insane, insane story that someone left an iPhone in a bar, one iPhone, one iPhone and they got the cops called on them and it was a whole dramatic deal and involved a whole company getting blacklisted and now it's just out poor, just a constant downpour. It's basically like standing in the rain.
If leaks in 2009 were like a faucet leaking a little bit of water just when you thought you turned it off. There's a little bit of extra going through. The leaks per new phone in September 2019 are like standing outside in the rain with no jacket on and just getting dumped on. So speaking of leaks, I think one of the most scariest things we're trying to figure out with this new pixel that hasn't already been leaked is this new camera system.
I've mentioned this before, pretty much everyone now has an ultra wide camera and up until the last month it was just Apple and Google has the main big ones that didn't have an ultra wide. So now that Apple has an ultra wide, what's the rumor on the pixels camera system? I don't think so. I still don't think so.
I still know ultra wide. So there is a new leak. There's some photo of a guy taking a picture out his window, which also if you're taking a picture outside of the place that you work, you're probably just dead on giving away who's leaking this. But I'm assuming it's so hard for me to keep track of where all these leaks are coming from.
But there's a photo of a guy taking a picture of buildings outside his window. And you can see in the corner the little slider in the camera app and it slid all the way to the right. And it just has eight times on it. So people are now speculating some sort of eight times zoom.
I don't know if that's digital zoom on top of it or you can zoom into 8x on the iPhone and it'll say 8x, but that's a software zoom from a 2x lens. So I guess this is just sort of people are hoping guessing hoping I was hoping for an ultra wide, obviously. But now if it's a telephone, I hope it's at least 3x. Yeah, I hope it's something more than just 2x because we talked about in the iPhone stuff out of the 2x.
Isn't that fun? I mean, I can rent for I've probably rented already about this at least in a video or maybe in a podcast or maybe just Twitter. But you can fake a telephoto with software. You can't really fake it ultra wide unless you get an ultra wide lens.
They have the ultra wide on the front for crying out like they know how useful the ultra wide stuff is. And they're actually one of the first and best to do the ultra wide on the front. So I'm kind of shocked. That's the thing is I don't want to keep holding out hope like maybe it is ultra wide because I feel like we kind of know everything about the phone already now, but that's kind of a strange thing for them to choose.
We talked about how two phones Apple and Google are the ones with that ultra wide. I fully expected pixel have it first and I hope for pixel have it first because we like it so much. But I don't know. So do you think this is going to be your next phone since you've been on pixel 3 and you haven't experienced higher frustrates yet?
This will be like your first higher frustrate phone, the natural upgrade from the pixel 3. I think it's hard to say no. Yeah. Yeah, it'll definitely.
Yeah, it will be. I think what 90 Hertz has also confirmed. I think since last time we thought I still remember last time we talked about it, but they've gone through settings. So it's definitely 90 Hertz.
Six gigs of RAM. Not bad. Not great. Not bad.
It's not a great. It's kind of weird because we just learned that iPhone has four but like nobody's really that worried about iPhone RAM numbers. They've proven that they can stick with it. There's a couple numbers you don't have to spend a lot of time on when it comes to iPhones and that's battery size.
RAM number and I guess camera megapixel count. Obviously iOS and their hardware are so well optimized that you can get away with a physically smaller battery. What a pipeline is that tightly controlled. Same thing with the cameras and same thing with the RAM.
So iPhones just tend to have less RAM, smaller batteries, but they perform pretty well. So yes, six gigs of RAM on an Android phone. Not the best number. Pixel is probably biggest issue with a lot of their phones is just they start slowing down and we've seen that and there's a good chance it's the RAM.
Some of the lowest RAM we've seen a lot of the flagship Android phones and they seem to be slowing down before a lot of other ones. So if there was a phone I would want more RAM and it'd probably be Pixel, I'm probably still going to get it anyways because it works great, we're lucky and we get to use phones a little more often. We get to upgrade a little more often here, but I kind of wonder if the one thing we don't know about the Pixel might turn out to be the most important part of it because it feels weird saying out loud six gigs of RAM is not enough in a phone, but the price of the Pixel. The RAM doesn't seem like enough in a $900 phone, right?
No. Like when you think about like all the cheaper phones that have 12 gigs of RAM and all the other $1000 phones that have at least eight gigs of RAM usually upwards of that, six gigs on a $900 phone feels like not enough. But if the Pixel 4, the highest end version is 700 bucks, then does that make it like sting a little less? Yeah, it makes you sting less.
And I mean, ultimately you're right, if you're paying $900, you want a phone that lasts a long time and higher RAM is going to be better for that. Yeah, six gigs of RAM is plenty for a phone, but like your future proofing you want this phone for arguably two years, I think most phone contracts are two years, so you want it to be. I just hope Android 10 does a better job of RAM management. You would think that a Google built phone would have that sort of optimization the same way Apple could and they wouldn't need tons of RAM.
And that's kind of what we were hoping with Pixel 3, but it didn't happen. So that's nothing to keep our fingers crossed for. My other question for you is it's definitely not going to happen this time, but do you think Pixel needs to start releasing 3A at the same time as you do? Oh, well, sorry.
It's going to be 4A, I'm assuming. Right. So here's a weird thing about Google's timing with their phones. Because they're coming out in nearly the end of the year, September, October, they are right at the end of the cycle for phones that are using the latest version of Qualcomm's Silicon Snapdragon 855.
This is like the end of the cycle for Snapdragon 855. And then right after Pixel 4 comes out, Snapdragon 865 is around the corner. So all year we've had these phones with Snapdragon 855, 855 plus, this phone's going to come out and then boom, it's outdated. So it's kind of this weird spot to release your phone.
It doesn't affect others as much because they're earlier in the year. So if they are to do Pixel 4 and Pixel 4A at the same time, I'd want them to push a little back like right maybe December, which is kind of late or maybe pushed forward so that they're not like right about to be outdated. But they are in the sort of weird pocket encounter where it feels like they're just waiting to get outdated instantly. Yeah, it just feels weird to me that people, so many people in 3A came out, they're like, Andrew, should I upgrade to the Pixel 3A?
It's not an upgrade. It's new, but it's not an upgrade. Like I had friends that had the Pixel 3 and asked me if they should get the 3A. No.
It's pretty simple, but it just feels like a really weird, why are you releasing the worst model later? And just like, along the same lines of why not build all the hype together? Pixel 3A didn't have a lot of hype behind it when it came out. They had some commercials and whatnot, but like, why not just put all the hype together?
So when people are going to Verizon to grab a Pixel, but they don't want to spend hopefully not $900, but $900, they can get that smaller version. We're seeing iPhone do it now with the XR or just iPhone 11. Yeah, so there's a couple other companies that are doing two phone releases that came to mind. That's one of them, iPhone 11 versus iPhone 11 Pro, all at the same time.
Last year, iPhone 10R came out of month after iPhone 10. It was all announced at the same time, slight difference in launch time, and then there's one plus where you have two things again, sort of staggered during the year. So one plus seven came out of different time from one plus seven Pro, and I have a couple, I think this year they're going to have about a month between them. So there's one plus seven T and one plus seven T Pro.
And just diving right into that, they seem to just be doing the same thing as last year where they're slowly confirming things one by one. Those things include both of the phones now will have nine years of displays. I think they're going to keep the same status between the prices. There's going to be a mid-range price one and a upper mid-range price one.
Exactly. Yes, 669 I think is like upper mid-range. But yeah, they're going to have, they show the designer ready, they show that there's going to be a matte blue color again, there's going to be a giant camera circle with triple cameras. So they're sort of slowly trickling the same spec leak that people are thinking about with other phones and sort of owning it.
Yeah, that circle leak, isn't that what we all thought the seven was going to be? Do you remember that it was like inside some office looking at a PowerPoint and some guys holding up this phone with a big black circle on the back of it? Turns out they were leaking their own OnePlus 7T. There were two steps out of us.
They're just 40 chests. 40 chests, man. 200 IQ stuff out here. Yeah, no, they definitely have a lot gone for them in the new phones.
And I think it'll be interesting to see if there is a, like, so imagine a 90 Hertz display on a OnePlus 7T that's like 500 bucks. That's a pretty convincing, you know, Oxygen 55, probably 8 gigs of RAM, like, you fill out the rest of the spec sheet and it seems like a pretty great deal. We'll have to see how good some of the things like camera and battery turn out, but it's really always that. That's what it comes down to with OnePlus, I guess, right?
How good is the camera? How bad is the camera? How good is the battery? How bad is the camera?
I think it's what, yeah. How okay is the camera? And is it how passable is the camera? How acceptable is the camera?
How acceptable everyone wants their camera to be? Yeah, rated as passable. Acceptable. Yeah.
I don't know if it'll be a spectacular camera, but you know, we'll see how they do. All right. Well, that's a lot of leak talk. Let's go back to present time.
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One of them at the top here is how long will it take for 5G to roll out in most cities in the world. Other people are wondering about just generally why doesn't the new iPhone have 5G? Will the Pixel have 5G? Will these new phones have 5G, et cetera?
If you watched our 5G, explain video. It's not ready yet. Not close. Even if you were to get a 5G phone today, which you can, I did, it wouldn't be the best 5G experience.
You'd mainly be on 4G all the time. And by the time you did get on 5G for those nine seconds of your day, you'd walk past the tower. What do you download? If you happen to be downloading something at that point, it'll be great, but 5G is not ready yet.
So I'm not shocked that the new iPhone doesn't have 5G. I wouldn't expect the 2020 iPhone to have 5G, so as much as I'm expecting from that phone, I don't think 5G is one of those things. Yeah, and I feel like some people's argument is, well, I'm buying 5G now, 5G is going to be back soon. I don't know.
Also, if you're the kind of person who's that excited for 5G, I bet you you're upgrading your phone before 5G actually becomes mainstream. That's exactly true. And the other thing is people don't buy their phones based on what they think might be a thing in two or three years. They buy the phone they want now.
I want to take good pictures. What takes good pictures now? Because you can always wait for the next great phone to have, you know, better camera. So if you just want to take the best camera you have right now, you just pick the best camera you have right now, and then you buy the phone with it.
Yeah, you don't need the iPhone 11 right now, slow fees will be cool in two years. I'm sure everything else will happen. That's the thing is you're kind of right. This is actually going to be a feature in like all the newest Android phones.
No, I don't think 5G is super critical at the moment. And in the next two years, we'll start to see if it can roll out faster than it has. But I wouldn't grasp my fingers for like a one plus seven or a pixel four with 5G. Don't need it.
And if it has it, you won't be using it. Yeah. I know you typically prefer Android to iOS. Is there anything that Apple could change about their software that would get you to prefer it?
Interesting. Well, there's a bunch of customization stuff right off the bat. I love my widgets. I love my I love me some custom icon packs, all that sort of fun stuff.
So that would that would instantly give it the edge that it has not had for a very long time. And then I just I guess generally the ability to have different hardware choice. I think a lot of what I prefer about Android isn't just a software, but it's that you can pick between like a hundred phones instead of three. So if you if you feel like you're cool with iOS, then that's great.
But you have really, you know, three or four phones to pick from right now. iPhone 11, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Max, 10, I guess that's it. So you don't get it a whole ton of choice. Meanwhile, I'm over here like, well, I want to high refresh rate.
I don't care as much about the battery because I could fast charge. I do want wireless charging. I don't care as much about waterproofing. And I'm going down the tree of like 70 different phones I can pick from.
I don't think that's something that Apple will just decide to do is make 70 different phone options. But yeah, I think those main little things of customization to make the phone look and feel and act exactly the way I want it, especially in the UI is something that I would love to see. That's exactly how I feel in the sense of I cannot stand seeing iPhones with the 50 buttons on the front. Like if you look at my phone right now, it's it's completely clean.
I think there's five icons. Most of them are folders. And then app drawer, like I just want my front, my home screen to be completely clean. It has a clock.
It has a nice looking background. Notifications at the top. Couple buttons on the bottom. I went through a phase on Android.
Couple years ago where I had a wallpaper that had like some cool designs on it and I had absolutely no icons on my home screen, but I had invisible widgets over certain areas of the wallpaper where if I pressed like the head of the snake, it would open the camera. Like I had all these setups like I had the cleanest Android setup and it was super, super minimal. I remember when I had very vividly was black and yellow and at the bottom it had a text box that just had phone and text. It wasn't an icon.
It was just part of the wallpaper and I had a little invisible widget over there. I just tapped the phone text and just opened the phone. Oh no, something about that. You can't really do that on an iPhone.
The customization is real. Okay. I have one from orchestra. How long do you think it will take for foldable technology to really mature to be normal and mainstream?
And this is a, this kind of, I mean, if you look at the current first generation, I need a trajectory. I need a first gen and a second gen to like extrapolate and go forward. So right now all I have is your first gen, Huawei Mate X, your first gen galaxy fold and your first gen. God, what is it called?
Royal FlexPy to judge from. And if I'm just looking at that, it doesn't seem like a very fast, like next year it'll be ready to go. Like it doesn't seem like it's going to go that quickly. Maybe kind of like 5G.
I might have made that exact parallel in the video, 5G is like folding phone. But I do think in maybe, let's give it a, let me put a number on it. Let me say in four generations, four, Galaxy fold four, Galaxy fold four is mainstream folding technology. Galaxy fold four is no longer an exuberant price.
And it is worthy of considering a main phone for a lot of people. So around 2023, if you're assuming pretty optimistic about this, but I think yeah, that would be a pretty great trajectory for folding phones. I think worst case scenario, probably more like eight, nine years before anyone or it'll just die like modular phones, which is, I don't think it's a bad feature. I see it being somehow incorporated into the future.
Okay. Yeah. No, I think it's much more, they both had the same, I think modular phones and folding phones have the same like positive possible outcome. But I think folding phones are much more reasonable to assume that you can attempt it and make money from it while modular phones were kind of a scrambled business model and a difficult thing to expect one company to do well.
So I think folding phones do have that future. So here's my, I like agree with you. I think it's going to take a long time, but then that's also how I felt about in display fingerprint sensors. Okay.
Blue onto the scene way, way quicker than I thought it was going to be. I remember doing the Vivo, Vivo, next is the next 21 or the X 20, it was Vivo, X 21, then the Vivo, next, right? Yeah. And that was not great, slow, slow, pretty, very deliberate, like press on the screen for it to work.
How many years ago was that? Two years? Three years ago? No, no, no, no.
It definitely wasn't three years ago. I did a video of like a durability test of a fingerprint scanner. And I was like, basically the first scanner to be built into a retail phone. That was a Vivo phone.