Iran’s leaders are holding out against Trump. Is this why?

Iran’s new supreme leader hasn’t been seen or heard since being named his father’s successor. Lee Keath of the Associated Press explains why it’s difficult to know who exactly in the regime is in charge. Candidates for California governor squared off in a debate this week. Politico’s Melanie Mason joins to discuss why the departure of Eric Swalwell following allegations of sexual assault still lingers over the race. Pope Leo wrapped his tour of Africa and urged the U.S. and Iran to go back to the negotiating table. On this week’s Apple News In Conversation, NPR’s Scott Detrow explores what it means to have an American pope who understands U.S. politics. Plus, the DOJ’s watchdog said it is launching an investigation into the department’s release of the Epstein files, a U.S. soldier has been charged with using inside information to bet on Nicolás Maduro’s future, and adults turn to pregaming to save money. Today’s episode was hosted by Cecilia Lei.