Is AI Music Cheating? Two Music Vets Test Suno | Hogpod Chicagoland Music Scene Podcast

Can two veteran musicians use AI to make music that's actually good — or is Suno just a shortcut that's killing the craft? Jay Martini and Mitch Germaine have been playing together for 25 years, going back to a covers band called Big Witness and a smooth-jazz project called Opening Night that sold, in Jay's words, about eight copies in Romania. Jay's a working pro and Pete's old School of Rock instructor; Mitch is a drummer who ran his own studio and spent a career as an enterprise CIO. This week they walk through exactly how they built their track "Dystopian Charm" with Suno, ChatGPT, and Cubase — the Steely Dan hack, the disturbing AI lyrics they had to rewrite, ripping out the Michael Bublé vocal, the Moog and drum-machine panics of decades past, the SOO YES idea, why nobody in Nashville will admit they're using Suno, and the one Pop-Tart rule. 🎶 Jay & Mitch release their AI music as Deus Ex Machina — search "Deus Ex Machina Dystopian Charm" on YouTube. 🎧 More Hogpod AI music on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2QtmZ... 🎯 KEY MOMENTS00:00 Intro02:35 WildStreet crashes the line — Eric Jayk & the June 10 Woodstock show06:30 Mitch joins + "you taught my dumbass to play bass" — Jay & Pete's School of Rock history08:37 25 years, Big Witness & Opening Night — the CD that sold 8 copies in Romania10:01 Discovering Suno — and why everything came out Bublé or Scott Stapp11:48 The prompt grind — a billion YouTube videos & why you need music theory13:35 LIVE Suno demo — Pete builds a modern country song on the spot17:09 "Who cares who wrote it?" — Rhodesy on Grammy winners & the AI authorship question18:34 Pulling stems into Cubase — how they actually refine a track19:47 "Dystopian Charm" — the Steely Dan hack & the disturbing AI lyrics23:44 "If Jay Martini isn't a musician, I don't know who is"25:35 Ripping out the Bublé vocal — dropping the real voice back in27:23 The Moog test — is AI just the synthesizer panic all over again?32:21 "It's a tool, not the whole band" — garbage in, garbage out33:37 Drum machines, the LinnDrum & "think of it as a collaborator"36:58 The SOO YES idea — real bands playing original AI-built songs live39:59 Deus Ex Machina — where AI & musicians peacefully coexist42:10 "How do you make money?" — seven million songs a day46:02 The AI video reveal — 30 Gemini images, premiered on the show48:19 "I hate you because it sounds so good" — the stigma nobody admits55:12 Debuting it live at Shirley's — and the "Real or Fake" song aimed right at him58:58 "AI purists" & the 50% success rate — the Genesis turd in the punch bowl1:03:32 Pete's prediction: "you're learning a language — you'll be fluent"1:07:58 First concerts — Chicago at the Erie Crown & Jeff Beck/Jan Hammer1:09:59 Worst shows — Robin Trower note-for-note & a 4-hour CSNY night1:14:10 Rapid fire: the Pop-Tarts question 📍 AI music - Suno - Deus Ex Machina - Dystopian Charm - Cubase - songwriting - Moog - drum machines - Steely Dan - School of Rock - Chicago music scene - AI and musicians 🎤 Jay Martini & Mitch Germaine — search "Deus Ex Machina Dystopian Charm" on YouTube ❤️ Support Hogpod on Patreon  / hogpod   🎙️ Hosted by Pete Jansons, Mike "Bongo" Orfanos (Bongo Mike) & Chris "Rhodesy" Rhodes 📞 Booking — [email protected] #Hogpod #ChicagoPodcast #MusicPodcast #AImusic #Suno #AImusicdebate #DeusExMachina #Songwriting #MusicProduction #ChicagoMusicScene