Is AI our next nuclear threat? With Joshua Steinman and Nathan Labenz

Joshua Steinman, former military officer who served as Deputy Assistant to President Trump and Senior Director for Cyber (2017-2021), now co-founder of Galvanick, joins Erik Torenberg and AI scout Nathan Labenz for a discussion on the AI arms race. They focus on US-China relations, the rate of AI development, and the global implications of a technological arms race. Should the US and China work together to prevent a future of AI-powered warfare, or is a conflict inevitable?--🔥 Apply to join over 400 Founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://www.turpentinenetwork.co/--SPONSORS:💻 Building an enterprise-ready SaaS app? WorkOS has got you covered with easy-to-integrate APIs for SAML, SCIM, and more. Join top startups like Vercel, Perplexity, Jasper & Webflow in powering your app with WorkOS. Enjoy a free tier for up to 1M users! Start now at https://bit.ly/WorkOS-Turpentine-Network🌐 Ready to achieve your 2024 goals? Start learning a new language with Babbel in just three weeks. Enjoy app lessons, live classes, and podcasts designed for real-world conversations. Get up to 60% off at Babbel.com/zen💥 Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.--RECOMMENDED PODCAST:🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics.Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSzYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast--References mentioned: Systems Confrontation and System Destruction Warfare: How the Chinese People's Liberation Army Seeks to Wage Modern Warfare 2024 Global Threat Report | 2024 Cyber Threat Report --Follow on X:@JoshuaSteinman@eriktorenberg@turpentinemedia--TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(00:16) Reflections on previous episode(03:31) Discussion on AI and Energy Concerns(05:57) AI Arms Race Concerns and China's Plans(09:49) Distributed Training and Rhetoric(12:10) Ashenbrenner Model and Benefit Sharing(15:54) Josh's Experience with Trump and Media Misrepresentation(18:22) Public Perception of Trump and Media Bias(23:07) Reasons for Disparaging Trump and the Dynamics of Power(28:41) China's Nature and Response to China(31:08) AI Concerns, Energy, and Corporate Power(36:02) Tail Risk, Slaughterbots, and Political Power(38:27) Arms Reduction Treaties and Reality(42:05) Decommissioning Nuclear Weapons and AI Arms Race(45:32) Semiconductor Policy and AI Future(47:35) Slaughterbots, AI Control, and Trust-Building(50:18) Olive Branches and China's Leadership(51:52) Rand Corporation Report and Private Speeches(55:13) The Declining Barriers to Entry in Violence(58:48) Einstein Quote and Nuclear Weapons(1:00:36) Wrap Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.