Is Anthropic a Cult? AI Beats ER Doctors & Recursive Self-Improvement | This Week in AI E12

This week, JCal sits down with two builders working on opposite ends of the AI stack: Naveen Rao, co-founder and CEO of Unconventional AI (his $4.5B startup rethinking the computer from first principles), and Trey Holterman, co-founder and CEO of Tennr, the platform automating the messy paperwork that decides whether millions of patients ever get the care they need.They break down why AI already beats ER doctors at diagnosis, why Epic is the most hated company in healthcare, what it takes to disrupt healthcare's $5 trillion incumbents, and whether $1.1 trillion in hyperscaler CapEx will pay off before the energy runs out.Mentioned in the show:Unconventional AI: https://unconv.aiTennr: https://tennr.comAbridge: https://abridge.comAmbience Healthcare: https://ambiencehealthcare.comEpic: https://epic.comPlaud (NotePin): https://plaud.aiWhoop: https://whoop.comFunction Health: https://functionhealth.comOura: https://ouraring.comEight Sleep: https://eightsleep.comPerplexity: https://perplexity.aiDatabricks: https://databricks.comHarvard / Beth Israel ER study: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/ai/ai-outperforms-doctors-diagnosis-harvard-studyJack Clark on recursive self-improvement: https://jack-clark.netThis Week In AI is made possible by:PayPal Open - One Platform for all Business: https://paypalopen.comTimestamps:00:00 Cold open00:51 Welcome & intro to Naveen Rao (Unconventional AI) and Trey Holterman (Tennr)05:43 Tennr's mission: fixing the U.S. healthcare "black hole"06:23 Why primary care is changing in the AI era09:09 The radiologist that wasn't replaced & what AI got right in 201515:31 Harvard study: AI beats ER doctors 67% to 55%20:16 Plaud Pin & the always-on AI in the exam room22:29 AI scribes, EMR privacy & how Abridge actually works24:01 Whoop, Aura & when wearable data finally meets the clinic25:20 Epic, FHIR & the 800-pound gorilla of healthcare34:21 Disrupting Epic with an open-source EMR play37:20 The Abridge vs Ambience scribe wars42:06 Jack Clark's 60% odds on recursive self-improvement by 202853:41 Morgan Stanley's $1.1 trillion hyperscaler CapEx forecast1:04:53 Anthropic's marketing machine & the AI religion thesisSubscribe to This Week in AI on Apple: https://thisweekinai.ai/spotifySubscribe to This Week in AI on Spotify: https://thisweekinai.ai/appleThanks for watching!🤖 If you want to stay ahead of the curve on all things AI, make sure to join our community across all platforms:📩 Get the Weekly Newsletter: https://thisweekinai.ai/📺 Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWeekinAIPodcast📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisweekinaipodcast📱 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thisweekinaipodcast✖️X: https://x.com/ThisWeeknAIFollow Jason:X: https://twitter.com/JasonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanisFollow Oliver:https://x.com/oliverkorzenCheck out all our partner offers: https://partners.launch.co/