Is College Worth It? (ft. DHH)

🔗 Sponsored by Code Rabbit https://coderabbit.link/primeagen-vscode ⸻ 🎓 Is College Still Worth It in 2025? Welcome to The Standup – where developers, creators, and founders debate the big questions. In this episode, we sit down with David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH), the creator of Ruby on Rails and Basecamp co-founder. 👉 Is College Worth It in 2025? We dive deep into: ⏳ The ROI of college in a post-AI world 🇺🇸 Why American higher ed is broken (from a Danish POV) 📉 Are CS degrees still worth $250K? 💸 The myth of the “four-year luxury cruise” 🤖 How AI is disrupting the junior dev job market 🔍 Hiring: Is college even a useful signal anymore? 🧠 IQ vs wisdom vs vibes – what really matters in hiring 🧰 Is programming a trade? Should we move to apprenticeships? 👨‍🌾 Why every dev wants to be a farmer (and why that’s delusional) Whether you’re considering college, hiring devs, or already knee-deep in student debt, this conversation pulls no punches and may just change how you think about education, hiring, and the future of software development. ⸻ 📌 Chapters: 0:00 intro 2:05 is college still worth it in 2025? 5:48 the cost of college in the U.S. vs Europe 6:57 sponsor: CodeRabbit 7:42 good point 9:10 DHH explains the Danish education system 13:02 is college just a luxury cruise? 17:45 what are you actually buying with a degree? 21:20 how companies *really* hire developers 26:11 Casey’s take: programming should be a trade 30:40 is college a filter for IQ or just vibes? 45:50 what skills matter more than a degree 49:20 how to actually learn to code in 2025 53:00 is college redeemable? final thoughts 57:15 wrap-up & what’s next on the podcast #IsCollegeWorthIt #DHH #CaseyMuratori #DeveloperPodcast #SoftwareEngineering #TechPodcast #BootcampVsCollege #ProgrammerLife #TechCareers #TheStartupPodcast