Is Pro-Life Not Pro-Life Enough? Ben Zeisloft, Foundation to Abolish Abortion

What's the real difference between "pro-life" and "abolitionist"? On this episode of the Ask A Christian Podcast, host Nate sits down with Ben Zeisloft, Communications Director for the Foundation to Abolish Abortion (FAA), to unpack a divide most Christians don't even know exists inside the pro-life movement. Ben — a former Daily Wire and Republic Sentinel journalist, and author of Forsakers of the Fatherless — makes the case that the mainstream pro-life establishment settles for regulating abortion, while the abolitionist movement wants the same murder, assault, and wrongful-death laws that protect born people applied equally to the preborn from the moment of fertilization. The conversation covers a lot of ground: why "pro-life" groups have opposed equal-protection bills in states like South Dakota and Louisiana, whether Dobbs actually accomplished anything on its own, how FAA's bills handle miscarriage and ectopic pregnancy so doctors aren't criminalized for medical triage, and whether criminalizing women fits the Gospel of grace and repentance. Co-host Steph shares her own experience navigating a non-viable pregnancy and pushes Ben on how quickly a criminalization framework could realistically be applied to a culture. Michael, the show's resident Canadian atheist, challenges Ben on theology, rights, and why any of this should matter to someone who doesn't share his worldview. Ben also walks through the Reformed doctrine of the "principle of nullification" — the idea that a lesser magistrate not only can, but must, refuse to enforce unjust law — and how that played out both before and after Roe was overturned. Bring a strong cup of coffee for this one. It's a full, sometimes heated, always respectful look at where "ending abortion" and "abolishing abortion" actually part ways. 📚 Resources & Links Foundation to Abolish Abortion: https://faa.life/ Ben Zeisloft's book, Forsakers of the Fatherless (Founders Press) For more content, visit: https://www.askachristianpodcast.com Timestamps 00:00 - Intro 0:59 - Meet Ben Zeisloft & the Foundation to Abolish Abortion 3:34 - Pro-life vs. abolitionist: what's the real difference? 7:37 - Is "abortion is bad" the same as "abortion is murder"? 11:40 - No exceptions: rape, incest, and the unborn 12:39 - Blending Bible verses with legislative policy 20:19 - Are pro-life groups actively blocking abolition bills? 26:02 - Steph joins: criminalization and generational indoctrination 36:17 - Did Dobbs actually end abortion? 45:35 - Steph's miscarriage story and where the law draws the line 51:05 - Ectopic pregnancies and medical triage 53:31 - Calvinism, free will, and Christian activism 1:01:42 - Michael the atheist challenges Ben on theology and rights 1:19:05 - The principle of nullification: obeying God over man 1:28:23 - Where to find Ben Zeisloft and the Foundation to Abolish Abortion Hashtags (15) #AskAChristianPodcast #ProLife #Abolitionist #AbortionIsMurder #FoundationToAbolishAbortion #Abortion #Christianity #Apologetics #Reformed #Calvinism #EqualProtection #BenZeisloft #ChristianApologetics #Bible #Gospel