Is the Border Really in Crisis? Crime, Fentanyl & the Facts - with Jennie Murray

Can We Welcome the Stranger and Uphold the Law?   How should Christians think about immigration, the border crisis, and refugees—without getting trapped in partisan talking points? In this Good Faith podcast episode, host Curtis Chang sits down with Jennie Murray, president of the National Immigration Forum, to explore a faith-informed approach to U.S. immigration policy. They explore why the U.S. immigration system is so broken and confusing, the tension between compassion and the rule of law, how immigration affects jobs, labor shortages, and the economy, all while debunking myths about crime, fentanyl, and "open borders." (02:34) - Christian first or American first? Identity and immigration (06:01) - Compassion vs rule of law? (10:36) - How the immigration system is failing (14:09) - What really drives migration (18:21) - Labor, talent, and the U.S. economy (22:12) - Who counts as "illegal" or "undocumented"? (31:27) - Law, grace, and the gospel (37:34) - Crime, fentanyl, and fear-based narratives (48:03) - What ordinary Christians can do   Episode Guide for Personal and Group Study   Download World Relief's: "Let's Talk About It" conversation cards   Partner with World Relief in walking alongside families displaced by war, disaster and persecution — give today: World Relief   Get your Good Faith mug by donating to the Good Faith podcast today! Take our Climate Survey     Mentioned In This Episode: TRAC: Immigration numbers and research  Refugee resettlement ceilings and numbers caps: Migration Policy Institute  A Turning Point for the Unauthorized Immigrant Population in the United States  Gallup Polling: Surge in U.S. Concern About Immigration Has Abated Pew Research Research: Majority of Americans to say immigrants strengthen the U.S. Pew Research: U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Total Dips to Lowest Level in a Decade Lifeway/World Relief Research Study: Evangelical Views on Immigration Study Pew Research: Support for Legal Status for Immigrants Illegally Ariving as Children Bill Summary: Dream Act of 2025 CATO Institute: 72% Believe Immigrants Enter the U.S. for Jobs & to Improve Their Lives   Referenced Scripture: Leviticus 19:34 (ESV) - The foreigner residing among you Matthew 25:35-36 (ESV) - Treatment of the stranger   International Comparison Stories: Reuters, Nov 2022: Canada's immigration targets to fill workforce gaps/support economic growth DW News, June 2023: Germany aims to make it easier for non-nationals to work there The Guardian, April 2023): Australia targets skilled migrants to fill critical job vacancies BBC News, Dec 2023): "The UK government is responding to workforce shortages by expanding visa opportunities for foreign workers   More From Jennie Murray and National Immigration Forum: More about Jennie Murray Learn more about National Immigration Forum Engage with Resources from National Immigration Forum   Follow Us: Good Faith on Instagram Good Faith on X (formerly Twitter) Good Faith on Facebook     The Good Faith Podcast is a production of a 501(c)(3) nonpartisan organization that does not engage in any political campaign activity to support or oppose any candidate for public office. Any views and opinions expressed by any guests on this program are solely those of the individuals and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of Good Faith.