Is the Dark Side Trying to Stop Us Becoming a Cosmic Species?

Mark Booth returns to Dreamland for one of the strangest shows we have ever recorded. Mark’s new book, The Secret History of the Universe, explores an ancient idea now reappearing at the edges of modern physics: that consciousness may be more fundamental than matter, and that the universe itself may be permeated by intelligence. Mark and Whitley follow this possibility into some extraordinary territory—quantum physics, mystical experience, the nature of nonhuman intelligence, Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung, the mysterious fine-structure constant, and the possibility that mathematical truths exist independently of the physical universe. Then the conversation takes a darker turn.