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Nov 23, 2023 45 min

Israel: Hostage release and truce delayed

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Israel says the hostage release and truce with Hamas is delayed until Friday. The loved ones of several hostages join AC360 to share what they are hoping for in the coming days. Also, authorities say there’s “no indication” terrorism was tied to a fiery and deadly crash on a bridge connecting the United States and Canada. So, what was behind the incident? CNN’s Chief Law Enforcement & Intelligence Analyst John Miller has the latest information. Airdate: November 22, 2023. Guests: Iris Liniado, Rachel Goldberg & Jon Polin, John Miller.

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Who and when those are the two key questions at this moment as we wait for the release of women and children taken hostage on October 7th John Berman here in for Anderson first the when which we thought was just a few hours away a temporary pause in fighting between Israeli forces at Hamas Followed by the release of the first 50 hostages from Gaza and 150 Palestinians being held in Israel late today However, Israel's National Security Council announced that the process will not start until Friday an Israeli official added that this includes the pause and fighting also Delayed until Friday as to the other question of who a source familiar with the matter tells us that the US officials have a working list of 10 hostages They believe are likely to be released on day one of the process and though no one is publicly naming the 10 administration officials today Did talk specifically about three Americans being held We anticipate that three Americans will come home one is the toddler Abigail and two other American women Of course, then we have about 10 total Americans unaccounted for but we're not gonna rest here Abigail is Abigail Adon. She is three years old but is about to turn four her birthday is Friday Both of her parents were killed by Hamas gunmen on the seventh and a moment I'm gonna speak with the daughter of two hostages both seniors her mother is an American citizen We begin though with the sources Caitlin Collins and CNN chief international correspondent Clarissa Ward both reporting from Tel Aviv tonight Caitlin I want to start with you on this delay No hostages released until Friday at the earliest why the delay? It seems to really John just speak to the fluidity of all of this and the fact that they are still figuring out a lot of the details here operationally at least behind the scenes one reason we were told in part that this delay is happening is that Israel still has not gotten the Actual list of the names I know the White House has been saying that they have a working list of who they believe to be expected among the first hostages to be released But Israel itself does not have a concrete list of the names yet And that just is one factor of what's happening behind the scenes right now Is they're also just trying to figure out operationally what this is going to look like how these hostages are actually going to be released And what was slated to be about a six-hour period starting tomorrow now? We were told it's going to start Friday at the earliest though officials have been saying behind the scenes They're confident this deal is still moving forward They don't think things are falling apart or anything of that nature But there is certainly a delay and one that you know for the families of these hostages who are waiting to see it Was their loved ones who are going to be released tomorrow?

Obviously this is not welcome news for them So on that point Clarissa what is known so far about which hostages will be released? Well, basically what we know John is that the emphasis is supposedly on children and particularly very young children There are preschoolers. There is a ten-month-old baby currently being held hostage There's the three-year-old American girl Abigail Lee Don who you mentioned and also the emphasis is on their mothers potentially According to the Israeli government some 40 children under the age of 18 are currently being held in Gaza We don't know which ones would be released on which day and certainly the families who are anxiously waiting for more news also Don't know but it is important to underscore I think as Kaitlyn was saying the Qataris were saying and obviously they're big players in this whole negotiation up until the last minute that They did think that list would come out tonight And so it does not appear at least on the surface that there's any real breakdown going on here But there are a huge amount of moving parts and this is a very complex operation You're gonna be talking about people being released in Egypt potentially return to Israel through three different checkpoints And when you have so many moving parts obviously it can take quite a lot of time to try to lock down all those details John Yeah, Caitlyn can you talk more about that these operational details that you mentioned what is known about how this will work logistically? What we aren't told right now at least for those initial 10 hostages and maybe this could change as they are going through this because It is expected to be about 10 people on day one and then 10 successive Grog groups of 10 in the days that follow as this fighting is paused But what we're told is that they will be taken to Rafa that is where they are going to be Israeli military officers and donutists from there that they will be transferred Into Israel into the custody and we're told it's not until that they've actually had their identities confirmed by these Israeli military officials That their families will even be notified And so that's another wrinkle in this is that these families don't know who is coming out first Obviously they can make guesses based on the fact that like Clarissa said it's women It's children and if it's a parent of an idea of soldier or a male They're not expecting them to be the first ones who are released But I think it's still operationally a question of what that's going to look like a lot of this We've seen for the transfers of those who have come out happen in the middle of the night But it's dark outside the window We were told earlier is about 10 a.m.

To 4 p.m. Local, which is just when the sun sets here in Israel So I think those are still the questions that are by no means concrete at this point time You know Clarissa I know you've been speaking directly with many the families of hostages and we're gonna hear more of that later in the program But what have they been hearing how much information have they been getting from the Israeli government? I have to say John, it's really striking just how little information they've been getting and you can understand that the Israeli government doesn't want to get people's hopes up But the families that we were talking to today literally told us they learned about this through the news through television through Messages popping up on their phones and they do have liaisons if you will from the Israeli government who have been dealing with them But there's been a lot of confusion from the get go I mean take the example of Thomas Hand This is an Irishman who lived in the kibbutzberry for more than 30 years His daughter Emily who was eight years old on October 7th went over for a sleepover to a friend's house and another house in the kibbutz Obviously the carnage that ensued and afterwards he was told that his daughter was dead and he went through that process of mourning Only to then be told a couple of weeks later that actually they believed she was alive and when I spoke to him today He said listen, I'm not getting my hopes up I can't go on that emotional rollercoaster and I'm not gonna believe anything until I actually see her with my own eyes John Just excruciating of course award Caitlin Collins a very long day It will be a very long several days for both of you Caitlin We're looking forward to seeing you on the source at the top of the hour again to underscore this delay It can't be easy for the families of the hostages take a look These are the parents of our next guest Iris Haggai Leonardo on October 7th going out for their morning walk a kibbutz near Oz God Haggai and Judy Weinstein those names both were shot and wounded just moments later The ambulance that might have responded could not reach them because Hamas gunman had shot out the tires Iris Haggai Leonardo joins us now Iris Thank you so much for being with us your reaction when you heard that there will be no hot is released until at least Friday now To be honest, you know same as many many families. I'll believe it when I see it That's how I'm reacting right now even when the whole deal, you know was popping in the media and stuff I was I always told everybody listen.

This is not the first deal. I've heard about I'll believe it when I see it Of course my heart is pumping. I'm waiting. You know, I heard these rumors about three American citizens Being released, but I didn't get anything official The FBI didn't tell me anything like that.

So to me, I'm just you know I did actually I was supposed to go to Israel Saturday And I'm gonna going to fly in today just because I feel like I should be there right now, but You know, I'm hopeful, but at the same time, I'm kind of numb But you know what what can I do? But hope for the best what can I do really what's it been like waiting for any word on your parents? And we should know your mother as US Canadian and Israeli citizenship. Oh my gosh.

There's honestly no words to describe this Crazy nightmare honestly Basically all the information I have about my parents mostly came from us the family You know, we don't have any intelligence about my mother nothing I actually don't know she's even alive to be honest. I have no proof of life. My dad We don't have the body. We believe the body is hostage, but I do believe he was murdered that day and Yeah, you know the not knowing the misinformation the deal after deal it's being in the media You know, it's just like it's a psychological war basically Hamas knows what it's doing It's just messing with our hearts with our brains, you know, my parents were all about peace and mindfulness and health and you know Everybody in my kibbutz new oz they just lived a peaceful life and one day the whole community was erased so It's just you know while I'm grieving my dad.

I don't have a body and while I heard what's going on with them I'm also getting my friends being kidnapped about shielding her two boys and And and the one and her two girls and and just everybody I know a quarter of the hostages So honestly, I'm just speaking to you. I have goosebumps, but it's just a nightmare But I can't believe it's 49 days. It's been 49 days and I don't know if my mother is alive That's crazy. It's beyond that it really is I can't imagine what it's like to go through all this We're talking about your father who you believe was murdered now as of now men aren't being talked about in terms of the release At least this first tranche this first 50 people but the Red Cross we are told will be allowed in to meet with the hostages Do you have hopes that maybe when the Red Cross goes in you'll get some more concrete information about your father?

About my father I'm more hopeful because I pretty much know he was murdered Of course, it would be nice to have some kind of proof that I could bury him and kind of close that chapter But my mom for sure I would love to know if she's even alive and all my friends were there right now, you know I any proof of life. We don't even know who's there honestly and we just found out that Hamas doesn't even know where all the children Are where all the mothers are that's the reason that Elderly women I'm being released because they don't know where all the women and children are sorry where all the mothers and children are So, you know, I heard you talking about Things not being consistent and that the Israeli government won't tell us Until the day when they actually have the hostages But it's such a huge huge assuage situation. You can't really trust the Organization the terrorists that you're dealing with so I believe Israeli government is trying to be cautious because you know They just want to see that the first day things are actually happening the way that they are supposed to and I believe after that We will be told the day before about the list as soon as they get them. That's what we were told But I do believe the first day they should be cautious because you never know you know I understand you so much already if if by some chance your mother can see this tonight Can watch you right now.

What would you want her to know? Mommy I want you to know that we're doing everything we can to get you back You know your grandchildren are waiting for you everybody's waiting for you I'm waiting to have you so tight and I just want to protect you and make you feel like everything's all right and Don't give up. We're coming for you. We're coming Iris.

Thank you. Thank you for being with us and I hope you get the news you've been waiting for in the next few days We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you so much Let's get perspective now from Michael or on the former Israeli ambassador to the United States an ambassador You've been sitting next to me watching.

I don't know how you can go on after that. I don't know if I can There's confusion. Why is a confusion as as Iris just said we're dealing with a terrorist organization Terrorist organizations do not negotiate and quit faith. They move the football They will play with the emotions of Israelis.

They'll torture as it's part of their terror It's actually part of their of their strategy. They want to divide the Israeli people by releasing some hostages but keeping other hostages It's really government maybe has a list But it doesn't want to let the list even if it has the list doesn't want to let the people know because they could change the How much could change in the last minute and what if you do a family like that? That's been a foreign the day before that their loved one their child is getting up But then all of a sudden he's not there and it's part of how much is strategy to terrorize to terrorize and it's even now It's that they're letting out say 50 and getting five days of a ceasefire We've talked repeatedly about the danger of a ceasefire means basically how much gets away with mass murder If the ceasefire goes on how much is going to use that period to lay more booby traps to move equipment around and it's Gotta cost Israel in terms of soldiers lives You have to say soldiers life versus civilians like these decisions here are more excruciating than anybody could ever imagine So our reporters right now are hearing from people inside the Israeli government that they're not particularly concerned about this delay It's just part of the process working out the operational issues right now Do you think the delay is a sign of something bigger than that? I think it's what Thomas is about this we've had four hostages released already We actually know how they get to release they go to the Egyptian crossing at Rafa their net by Israeli officers They're brought to an Israeli hospital.

All right, so it's not that's not prevalent. This is excuse me It's got a bad a bad use of term. It's not rocket science has been done already So you bring ten children or ten old people to the border and you do it. It shouldn't be that complicated There's right.

It's true that how much doesn't have all the hostages some of them are in the hands of Palestinian Islamic Jihad The organization totally owned and operated by Iran, but many are the hands of families hundreds Perhaps thousands of power cities broke through the fence on October 7th with the terrorist. They took hostages This is well known. They will then sell those hostages They can sell them to Hamas or they sell them directly to Israel or to another a third party But maybe how much doesn't know where they all are that is definitely an issue But how much itself is about torture? It's about terror and that's what they're doing to us really society right now One of the deal one of the aspects of the deal and it's in writing It was in the Israeli release last night that we had read it was translated by a reliever in real time from Hebrew to English Is that after this first 50 are released if that goes according to plan then if Hamas releases ten hostages a day Israel will abide by the pause in the fighting do you think that's dangerous to give Hamas the opportunity to keep on turning over hostages?

It is of course dangerous, but it's worth it. It's worth it. That's worth it. Israel has to one hand defend itself defend the country restore Its internal security because we have 250,000 people can't go back to their homes We have to miss out of homeless people too, but you have to weigh that against the commitment of the Jewish state the state of Israel Always bring back prisoners now I was in the army for many years my kids have been in the army and we know that we send our children out to battle if they You know God forbid fall prisoner the state will do everything everything to get it back It's part of our our covenant with the state so we're up against that this terrible decision of security for our soldiers But also living up to that covenant of bringing our hostages home again historically I don't know any government ever made decisions like that not much choice But let's be clear about this at the end of the day How much will not release all the hostages for very simple reason They know how much knows when to release the last ten hostages then Israel can then go into those tunnels Flood them with water flood them whatever flammable subject that we can find and that'll be the end of Hamas So at the end of the day a certain number of hostages many soldiers will be the get out of Gaza card free card from us Ambassador Michael Lauren, thank you for being with us.

We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. You too.

All right Next more new reporting on the reasons for tonight's delay Also the parents of a wounded 23 year old hostage and what they want for him And what they want him to know as they wait for the moment when he is hopefully in their minds once again free Later what first was feared to be a terrorist incident on the US Canadian border And what we've learned since then about a fiery high-speed car wreck and explosion this all happened here in Niagara Falls More AC 360 to come after the break I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy this week on the podcast in terms of service the idea of writing a car with no driver can feel daunting And this technology raises questions about safety and the future of transportation That's why I'm here with Nicole Gable head of business development and strategic partnerships at Waymo Waymo we've always been about safety no distracted driving no drunk driving waymo follows the rules of the road Listen to CNN's terms of service wherever you get your podcast Craig Ferguson is going coast to coast to unpack what it really means to be an American today What could possibly go wrong Craig Ferguson American on purpose new episodes now streaming on the CNN app good a CNN dot com slash watch Subscribe or log in with your TV provider as we've been reporting the process leading to the release of 50 hostages from Gaza is on hold until Friday And we're not yet clear on the exact reasons why though one is really official familiar with the matter tells us it comes down to quote Fairly minor implementation details with us now is Axios political and foreign policy reporter Barack Ravi Who has been talking to his own sources about this so Barack what are you hearing about this delay? Hi good evening. Well, you know, let's go back a few hours. Okay when Israeli officials Convened a group of reporters and briefed them that they hope that the process of the release of the hostages will happen on Thursday morning at 10 a.m Local several hours passed and the Israeli National Security Advisor puts out a statement saying the release will not happen Before Friday and denies that there was ever any plan to release the hostages on Thursday So as you see there's quite a lot of confusion on the Israeli side and I think that when the Mossad director David Barnair went to Qatar today to Doha he found that things are not exactly as he thought and that there's still a lot of gaps remaining mainly on the Operational plan of how the release is actually going to happen meaning who's gonna do what at what time and that's not a small issue That's not it's technically issue, but it's not a minor issue and for now those things are not settled yet So how sure are your sources that the hostages really will be released starting on Friday?

I nobody okay anybody who tells you that anything's gonna happen for sure either doesn't know or just lying to your face And I don't think anybody can know what's gonna happen because you know on the other side of this deal is Hamas and I think if there's someone who's sitting tonight in his bunker and You know having fun is Hamas leader Ihyeh Singh Waru looks how who sees you know this whole mess So I think that we cannot know for sure I will have to wait we have to see tomorrow what what happens a lot of it is between the calories and Hamas They'll need to you know settle some of those things between them Israeli the Israelis think that within 24 hours this whole thing will be solved and nobody will remember it and that they will Come together and be implemented and you know everything will be different 24 hours But for now this is definitely not the case what about Israel's continued fight against Hamas What's Prime Minister Benjamin Yahoo's think about that now? It's and I think it's business as usual meaning What I and I think we talked about it in recent days What I hear from Israeli officials is that a ceasefire will start when the first child crosses the border into Israel and as long as That's not the case was no ceasefire and things continue as they were in the last 45 days And we see Israeli airstrikes with the ground operation continues And I think Israel will also even try to send the message tomorrow through actions kinetic actions on the ground send the message to Hamas That it cannot play for time and if there's a deal there's a deal and they need to implement it What about Netanyahu's contact with President Biden? Where's the White House currently on the situation? I?

Think that you saw the President Biden tweeting About this earlier today and basically saying that this deal needs to be implemented I think that the message that he sent today in his phone call with the Emir of Qatar He also spoke to President Sisi from Egypt and to Netanyahu the White House readouts were very general But I think that when it comes what President Biden's want to see he wants this deal to go through He wants this deal to be implemented mainly because there are American citizens that most likely are going to be released if this deal is implemented One of them Abigail I don't only four years gonna be four years old on Friday And Biden mentioned her several times in his when he spoke about this and I think Biden wants to see her home Brock Raveed as always. Thank you for your help understanding this. Thank you very much So throughout these last seven difficult weeks Eighty three sixty has been checking in with Israeli Americans Rachel Goldberg and John Poland their son Hirsch Goldberg Poland was seriously Wounded on us over seven before being taken by Hamas at the music festival earlier this evening before we got word of the delay I spoke with his parents Rachel it's been almost 47 days since your son Hirsch was abducted by Hamas does this hostage deal give you hope that there may be a way to bring Your son home well, I have nothing but hope that any deal will help lead to more deals I'm also extremely hopeful, you know, it's all rumors until it happens even though this rumor seems to be seemingly Very accurate until I see the loved ones crossover into safe hands I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch But certainly if these children that have been living in darkness and fear and trauma for 47 days are returned tomorrow I will be thrilled and extremely hopeful that more and more will be released and obviously we won't rest until Hirsch and all 238 our home so, you know, we're holding on to our hope the Prime Minister said today that as part of the deal the Red Cross We'll be able to visit and offer medical support to the hostages who do remain in Gaza You think these visits may be the best chance to find out something anything about Hirsch? Yeah, so first of all it has been 47 days without humanitarian aid getting to the hostages which is shameful and super frustrating Yes, if that indeed is part of a deal that would be really encouraging for us Remember John it's been 47 days and we have a lot of hope But we don't even know if Hirsch is alive So having medical aid get to the people who need it would be really really encouraging for us We've we've got letters from surgeons about what exactly it is that Hirsch needs what kind of medications he needs to fight off infections We're hoping to get those to the ICRC and we're hoping that the ICRC is able to get in and get treatment to Hirsch and all the other hostages We need it, you know John you talk about your frustration with having the lack of information And I know you and Rachel have been going through so much just trying to find out something anything about your son for the last 47 days Have either Israeli or US authorities giving you any update on what they're doing to try to locate your son So we know that there are a lot of efforts underway by both the Israelis and the US we feel a sense of support But that support has not fed into us getting information I do think that to be sent that maybe somebody has information regarding it for security reasons But regardless it's been super frustrating living in the dark for 47 days without knowing forget the details like where is he?

What's he eating? Who's he with that would all be nice? But I don't expect to know that we just want to know proof of life We want to know if he's alive is he getting medical treatment and not knowing that has been one of the hardest parts of this whole frustrating ordeal I can't imagine how hard that is you know, Rachel You met with the Pope today and you showed him the video of her being abducted with part of his arm missing Why do you decide to show that video to the Pope and what was the reaction? The video itself is I think 50 seconds and anyone in who we have shared that with has been so moved by it as you well know as a journalist I mean a picture is worth a thousand words of videos worth 10,000 words So I just thought it could be helpful for him to really understand the severity of her shit situation And Hershes and microcosm for the larger situation of the you know, well over 200 people who are there There are children who are also wounded who are there there elderly people who are wounded who are there We just happen to have this video Thanks to your very own Anderson Cooper sharing it with us and therefore I felt that it was important to share it with him and it did make an impression on him and You know, I felt the whole experience was such a privilege to be in his presence and to have him feel empathy and sympathy and speak with us We were a group of 12 of the families together there and it was a really meaningful moment for all of us We're looking at the pictures now of this meeting and it truly is an extraordinary moment one that in many ways I'm glad you got to be there for but I'm sad for the reasons behind it obviously John you've talked about you've talked about how It's your job now to keep Hershes story out there and continue to remind the world about him How are you going to keep doing that in terms of keeping the story going?

I've been fearful for 47 days that the story is going to fall from the agenda fall off the new cycle fall off congressional cycles And people are just gonna move on from it and we cannot allow that to happen So we are gonna continue to go anywhere in the world talk to anybody who could help us magnify the story We're gonna go anywhere and keep telling the story to get people around the world to speak up on behalf of all the hostages until every single One of them is home and we do hope that you get to see your son soon and learn anything about him soon John Paul and Rachel Goldberg. Thank you so much for being with us as usual again tonight. Appreciate it. Thank you So head we're gonna hear from a mother whose son and daughter 12 and 16 years old are both hostages tonight More easy to come after the break We've been talking tonight about the young hostages now being held by Hamas Arese Calderon was 11 years old when gunman dragged him away Hamas killers also murdered other members of his family It took his older sister Sahar hostage Arese turned 12 in captivity seen as Clark's award spoke with their mother as well as the father of nine-year-old Emily Hand who just recently Found out his daughter might be alive Even as the first batch of hostages is poised to be released they are not backing down Look in their eyes this protester says tell them that every day you are doing everything that it takes For 47 days friends family members and supporters of the estimated 240 hostages in Gaza have demanded the Israeli government prioritize bringing them home here They gather in support of Hadas Calderon whose children 12 year old eras in 16 year old Sahar were taken on October 7th along with her ex-husband Tell me what you're going through now.

Are you hopeful? Are you anxious? Are you in denial? Oh, I love you smile.

I love and then I cry and then like shh. Do you know anything? Have you heard anything? Nobody knows anything Nobody nobody no information I have to pray we have to pray Calderon is not the only parent desperately waiting hoping for news that has yet to come Nine-year-old Emily hands father Thomas was initially told his daughter was killed on October 7th only to then get the news that she may be alive and held in Gaza I want to jump through the roof with hope hand told us today about the possible prospect of Emily's release But I also have to keep a level head emotionally It's a challenge Calderon is all too familiar with every day stuff every day is all day stuff I don't think I don't feel because it's too painful.

You know when they start to ask me like you show me the picture of your child Tell me what last thing it told you Then I it's like my heart because the last thing it told me was Mom be quiet. I love you. He was worried for me when you think of God willing your babies come home and are part of this release do you worry about how they will be changed by what they do? They are changed.

They won't be the same They got the big kidnapped looking away from the beds on the house from the safe place They kidnapped the infant in this this day At the central hostage square in Tel Aviv prayers for those who will come home over the next few days I promise to keep pushing for those who will not And Clarissa you were talking about the emotional rollercoaster these families have been on for more than 40 days now I have to believe that this delay from the initial hospital is happening Thursday to Friday has just got to make things even worse It is John. It's now another 24 hours that they have to wait before they'll get some word as to whether their loved ones Maybe part of that first batch and interestingly when I spoke to Thomas hand earlier He said you know this is exactly why I am not allowing myself to get my hopes up too much because emotionally I just don't have the wherewithal or the capacity anymore to really handle much more of this And so he said that until I literally see these hostages coming back home to Israel only then at that point Will I really start to believe that this could actually be happening that Emily could actually be coming home? And he also underscored the same point you heard there from Hadass as well Which is to say we don't know what kind of Emily will be coming home? We don't know how she will be changed by what she has seen by the trauma she has gone through you mentioned Ezra Aries called her on marked his 12 12th birthday inside Captivity Emily also turned nine years old inside captivity John.

Alright Clarissa Ward. Thank you so much for that reporting Next if not terrorism, then what was behind this vehicle explosion at the US Canada border? New details tonight about the fiery and deadly car wreck at the US Canada border near Niagara Falls The FBI and New York's governor say there is no indication that what you are seeing here is an act of terrorism He was more seen a chief law enforcement and tell his analyst John Miller. So not terrorism John.

They say what is it? Well, it looks like an accident I mean what we've been able to reconstruct talking to investigators about who was this individual? Where was he coming from? What was his day?

Had plans we are told by investigators to go to the kiss concert that was canceled in Canada He switched to a day at the casino. He left the casino got into his 2022 Bentley X This is a this is a car that goes for about three hundred thousand dollars two hundred eight miles an hour and 24 gallons in a gas tank And then apparently with his wife in the car at a very high speed Hit a curb and then a guard rail and that sent it airborne To the opposite side of the highway and then into an area that was the secondary screening area for the Customs and Border Patrol at that bridge Now you can imagine when they say a car exploded at the secondary inspection level that a lot of people would jump to the very likely conclusion This could be an act of terrorism, but going backwards through it. There's no indication in his background or in the event any sense of what would make a car do what it did Speed you know This is a 12 cylinder engine in a car that weighs a lot that's being propelled at a high speed when you hit that curb and it puts one Wheel of the car up in the air and then the jersey barrier and then it goes airborne when it lands with that kind of force This is a high energy impact when it lands and a full tank of gas You could see the car disintegrate which it did you can see the engine sitting in the middle of the guard area there And you could see that ball of fire so walk us through the process of determining that something is not terrorism Which is what kept the local governor and the FBI both said that they saw no signs up today So it all begins with the initial reports and what we learn It's the first rule of the business is the first story is never right and we learn that all the time Then it goes to let's go to the videotape and that is let's do the video canvas and see what the video shows us Within a couple of hours They had isolated a video where just in the corner of that video You could see the car at the top of the frame and you could see it passing all the other cars at high speed going over the barrier And then the explosion and smoke then taking that video canvas backwards to where did this car come from? Where did the license plate reader hit it that brings you to the casino and then looking at there?

So what you're seeing is as you go backwards through the story the indicators that you know It could have been two men who had a car rigged with explosives that you know launched an attack on a secure facility None of that was there the further back the went they clear it was it was something all together different John Miller, thank you for your reporting on this you're smooth and steady reporting all day on this I might say all right next the volcano on the brink of erupting in Iceland as seen from above On an especially busy night We're also watching Iceland where people fear a volcanic eruption which could come any day or any moment Our Fred Pleiken is there with the bird's eye view Taking off straight to the emergency zone. We're on a mission with Iceland's coast guard to the already affected area by what could soon be a massive volcanic eruption The town is called Grinovik massive cracks in the roads show the places where pressure from an underground magma stream has already burst through the Earth's crust The ground now uneven as the crew says they've been observing the rift widening in the past days We see differences between days. You see that sometimes we see the cracking a bit wider Grinovik was evacuated and could soon be completely destroyed by hot lava authorities fear Iceland is an area of massive volcanic activity while this part of the country had been dormant for around 800 years Scientists say in the past two years volcanic activity has come back to life with several major eruptions We fly over the most recent one past the mouth of the volcano and over seemingly endless lava fields still steaming hot in months after the actual eruption ended on the ground Crews are working around the clock to try and build a firm to protect this geothermal power plant And we also see the world famous blue lagoon hot springs Normally a major tourist attraction now closed down and also evacuated the economic toll already amends What do you think it means for the people there? I can't even imagine you know losing their houses and maybe they're you know work their own life.

Just it's crazy Iceland's government says a major eruption here remains highly likely and it could happen in a matter of days Iceland's Coast Guard aviators say they are on alert all the time In case of the volcano starts and we'll fly all the area to help to the waketa people In friends with us now, what have you you had you're near the evacuated town at this moment? What are you seeing hearing as this eruption looms? Other John what one of the things that's actually really becoming a factor now And I think you might be able to see in here it is the weather out here There's some pretty heavy winds that are going on and also rain as well and the first responders are saying one of the things That's happening is that some of the instruments are actually having trouble monitoring the situation underground Which of course is very important right now as far as the people who are from this town are concerned John We do speak to a lot of people who say right now they have a lot of anxiety And I think the folks who live in this part of Iceland They understand that this is all part of living here You understand you're living on a volcanic island and you could lose your home at any time nevertheless They've been in limbo for an extended period of time now and a lot of them are saying they understand they might never see their community They might never see their town again John. All right, better plug in Iceland friend.

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