EPISODE · Mar 11, 2026 · 1H 39M
"It's Hard to Be Curious and Well-Postured at the Same Time" with Cam Janssen
from PAFO - Pond Around and Find Out · host Chris Pondoff, Zoë Mendenall, Kurt Garner
"It's Hard to Be Curious and Well-Postured at the Same Time"Former NHL enforcer Cam Janssen joins Chris, Jeff, and Zoë on one of the busiest days of the hockey calendar, NHL trade deadline day, and delivers one of the most honest, wide-ranging, and genuinely hilarious episodes PAFO has ever put out.Cam has been one of the most recognizable faces in St. Louis hockey media since his playing days with the New Jersey Devils and Blues, and his work off the ice, including regular visits to IRC (Illinois Recovery Center) to connect with clients in treatment, says just as much about who he is as anything he ever did on it. This episode goes everywhere: addiction and Suboxone, the mechanics of how substances hook you, what it's actually like fighting strangers in minor league arenas when nobody cares, Lake of the Ozarks chaos, billet family dynamics, trade deadline Blues talk, Adderall, dogs, the Olympics, and Zoë asking an NHL enforcer how to win a street fight.Cam is one of those guests who makes a two-hour conversation feel like 20 minutes. Whether he's breaking down the simplicity of how addiction starts, going line-by-line on the Blues' inconsistent season, or telling a boat story that will make you never want to be on the water at night, he holds the room every single time. Co-host of The Cam & Strick Podcast with NHL insider Andy Strickland, Cam is as comfortable talking recovery as he is talking hockey, and this episode is proof of both.00:00 It's Trade Deadline Day, Baby, and Cam Is Here03:01 You're One of Us: Cam on Recovery, IRC, and Why He Keeps Coming Back05:40 You Can Get That at the Gas Station Real Easily07:53 Bonfires, Pickup Trucks, and Stealing Your Parents' Beer10:17 I Should Feel Bad for That, but That's Kind of Funny12:59 No Guy I Know Ever Gave a Damn If You Had a Hundred Thousand Followers14:54 Sometimes It Gets a Little Too Extreme: Billet Families Explained19:49 Get Rid of Old: Trade Deadline Blues Talk and What St. Louis Fans Actually Want27:22 Don't Change Your Life Because You Get a Girl Pregnant at a Young Age30:13 The Inconsistencies Have Been Astronomical This Year34:29 Everybody and Their Right Mind Has a Podcast39:18 I'm Good at Commercials and Voiceovers. I Could Be a Scary Villain.42:37 You Got a Lot of Moms, Don't You: Zoë's Story and the Village Around Her49:23 I Feel Like Superman for a Little Bit There52:18 Slow the Fuck Down Now Motherfucker: The Lake of the Ozarks Boat Story55:30 She Was Born the Year We Were Already Grown Men56:16 The Berserker From WWF Just Followed Me on Twitter58:12 I Rather Just Be Normal: Cam's Suboxone Story01:02:26 I'm in Albany and I Have to Fight Guys I Don't Even Know in Front of 500 People01:10:51 Cocaine Is Adderall: Breaking Down the Drug Nobody Talks About Honestly01:17:57 I'm Glad I Got Traded to the Blues. It's the Best Thing in the World.01:20:06 Grab Their Nutsack and Bite Their Neck: Cam's Self-Defense Masterclass01:21:30 Willow and Luna Are My Babies: On Dogs, Home, and Staying Put at 4101:22:32 I'm the Only One Who Gives Out Compliments at These Skates01:27:37 Joy Dunne, Matthew, Brady, Clayton Keller: St. Louis Put Gold Medalists on the Map01:30:22 A Guy With $40 Million Would Date a Girl Who Works at McDonald's01:36:02 The Door Is Always OpenFollow Cam: @cam_janssen25Listen to The Cam & Strick Podcast: camandstrick.com | @camandstrickSponsors: McKelvey Insurance Group - mckelveyins.com | LightSource Psychotherapy - findyourlightsource.com
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