J.D. Vance Recently Called NHI Demons. Are They? Charles Upton offers a Surprising Theory

from Dreamland: The Edge of the World · host Whitley Strieber

What if they aren’t what they seem? As disclosure–and maybe even open contact–draws closer, what if we don’t know what we’re dealing with…at all? In this deeply provocative conversation, Charles Upton joins Whitley Strieber to explore a radically different interpretation of the phenomenon: What if the beings behind UFO encounters are not extraterrestrial visitors at all, but something far more strange and dangerous in ways we can hardly imagine?

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