J.D. Vance Recently Called NHI Demons. Are They? Charles Upton offers a Surprising Theory

What if they aren't what they seem? As disclosure--and maybe even open contact--draws closer, what if we don't know what we're dealing with...at all? In this deeply provocative conversation, Charles Upton joins Whitley Strieber to explore a radically different interpretation of the phenomenon: What if the beings behind UFO encounters are not extraterrestrial visitors at all, but something far more strange and dangerous in ways we can hardly imagine? Upton argues that modern “disclosure” may itself be a carefully managed narrative—one designed to conceal a far more unsettling truth involving hidden alliances, occult traditions, and the manipulation of belief. From ancient accounts of materializing entities to the strange convergence of ritual magic and advanced technology, this conversation ventures into territory rarely discussed in public. Is the UFO mystery a technological puzzle—or a spiritual one? And if these entities can manifest physically, influence human affairs, and even shape our understanding of reality… what exactly are we dealing with? To read the Art of Deception mentioned in the show, click here. IMPORTANT NOTE: Charles is fighting colon cancer. Can you give him some help? Make a contribution on his GoFundMe. Click here. Tomorrow (Saturday, April 27, 2026 ) in the subscriber video room experiencer  Lucinda Morel joins Whitley Strieber for a provocative Q&A. How does her Native American ancestry figure in her experiences? Why was her father kidnapped by a witch? What was most of her family assassinated in Spain all those years ago? Let's dig into the mystery of Lucinda Morel! Subscribers, click here to join. ( The room opens at 9:55AM Pacific Time (12:55 AM Eastern)  Not a subscriber? You're missing out! To sign up, click here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices