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EPISODE · Nov 28, 2025 · 27 MIN

Jean Su on Challenging COP30 Narratives

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  https://media.blubrry.com/counterspin/content.blubrry.com/counterspin/CounterSpin251128.mp3 Right-click here to download this episode (“Save link as…”).   Opening ceremony for COP30 in Belem, Brazil (photo: Palácio do Planalto) This week on CounterSpin: US media didn’t exactly mince words: “Climate Summit Viewed as Flop by Many” was the headline the LA Times put on an AP report. The subhead explained: “The COP30 talks held in Belem, Brazil, end without a timeline for reducing fossil fuels.” The future of climate disruption, if not pulled off course, is devastating, but the present is bad enough, if you are placed, or inclined, to see it. So how could a global climate conference that doesn’t put demands on fossil fuel producers at the center be anything but a flop? The answer is not to absolve COP30 or polluting countries, much less industries, of their responsibility. But focusing some conversation on what people, including those most harmed, are doing, along with what’s being done to them, could help move debate off an outdated dime—onto the kind of work that stands a chance of helping us all. Transcript: ‘COPs Are About the Public vs. Politicians and Their Corporate Interests’: We hear from Jean Su, senior attorney and director of the energy justice program at the Center for Biological Diversity. https://media.blubrry.com/counterspin/content.blubrry.com/counterspin/CounterSpin251128Su.mp3   Plus Janine Jackson takes a look at coverage of the Tulsa Race Massacre. https://media.blubrry.com/counterspin/content.blubrry.com/counterspin/CounterSpin251128Banter.mp3

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