Jesse Eisenberg & Kieran Culkin on their film A Real Pain, improving visual literacy in school, how Jerry Springer changed TV

Tom Sutcliffe talks to Jesse Eisenberg and Kieran Culkin about their new film A Real Pain - in which they play mis-matched cousins touring Poland to honour their grandmother. Can you teach someone to look at art intelligently? Oxford University is about to start a 3 year study on visual literacy – assessing how much looking at art can impact young people’s social and academic outcomes. Art historian Alison Cole, specialist primary school art teacher Mandy Barret and Professor Robert Klassen who’ll be working on the study discuss how strong the case is to include it on the school curriculum. Jerry Springer brought shock and sleaze into our living rooms between 1991 and 2018. As a new documentary, ‘Jerry Springer: Fights, Camera, Action’ airs, we talk to its director Luke Sewell about what kind of impact the show had on our culture. Presenter: Tom Sutcliffe Producer: Paula McGrath