Hi, I'm Megan Segura. And I'm Eric J. Maxx. And this is The Daily Dish, Bravo's official podcast.
We have some exciting news. Yes. BravoTV.com is going to be soon launching the Real Housewives of Atlanta After Show. It launches Sunday, February 9th, right after the episode airs.
And as you guys know, that's where all of the juicy details that didn't make it into the episode sort of end up. Yeah, so Real Housewives of Atlanta has been dark for the last two weeks, so if you're missing it, you're going to get a new episode on Sunday, plus the After Show. And it includes Nini, Kenya, Portia, Candy, Cynthia, Eva, Tanya. So that's available on both BravoTV.com and Bravo's YouTube channel, and it's on the app.
So check it out. All right, what are we talking today? We have Real Housewives of New Jersey, Below Deck, the finale, and then Summer House premiere. Plus we have interviews with Ariana Maddox from Vanderpump Rules and Chef Adam Gleick and Jenna McGillivray from the new Below Deck sailing yacht.
And, of course, Rose and Thorne. So you were just in Jersey. I was. Did not see a Real Housewife except for the new wife that got married.
Oh, is she going to be a housewife? I hope so. Yeah, for her sake. Yeah.
Who wants to work? No one. Okay, so I had skipped ahead to watch this episode last week because I couldn't wait to find out if Teresa and the girls got to go see Joe. Oh, my God, I know.
I was so stressed. I know. We discussed it last time, but yeah, they make it. Well, thank goodness they, number one, made the exception for them, which I love that Teresa also was not ashamed to say, this is Teresa Giudice.
I'm coming to see Joe Giudice. She was like, let me just try to throw a little celebrity behind this as well. But also that Joe Gorka immediately was like, I can be at your house in five minutes. I'll go.
I'll get anything you need, copies of your IDs, whatever. So thank you, Joe. Thank you, Lieutenant, whoever you were at the ICE facility for allowing that to happen. What kind of freaked me out, though, which I think this is probably standard in a lot of correctional facilities and all that kind of stuff, but the fact that the cameras weren't allowed to, like, be in there.
Okay, I think that it is like that everywhere, because we've never been able to go into any of the facilities that Joe or Teresa have stayed in. You know, like, even schools, you're not allowed to. But I do know that on the Real Housewives of New Jersey After Show on BravoTV.com, like, Teresa talks about the conditions of the ICE facility, and it is not good. Yeah, I mean.
Some scary, scary stuff. Right, and I think there's been a lot in the news about the conditions of these places. So just when I saw that black card come on the screen that was like, cameras are not allowed in here, I was like, ooh, God, I can't even imagine what it must be like once you get through there. But, you know, they got to go into the facility, but this was the first time they'd go and visit Joe in the facility, and they couldn't even touch him.
Like, he was behind the glass, which is just really sad, and I'm glad they got that opportunity to see him, but to have that separation. Like, I understand why Teresa didn't want to bring any of the younger girls for that, because I think that's really scary. Yeah. Dolores' daughter shows up.
We haven't seen her in a while. Yeah, because she's in some Caribbean island. Yeah. She's, like, saving animals.
She's, like, abroad. She's just, like, does not. Getting her vet license or something. Yeah.
Good for her. Yeah. Also, good for her for a little bit confronting Dolores about the whole David situation, which has come up a few times this season. Frank's brought it up, her family, the other ladies on the show, but it's a little different, I think, when it's your daughter who is being, like, you need to stand up for yourself, or you need to put your foot down, and you need to, like, not let David walk all over you if that's what you're letting happen, because you're pretending, like, you don't care about everything.
Yeah. And even when she said to her mom, you know, what would you say to me? And Dolores says, have no expectations. I don't know that that's the message to be giving.
I don't think so. No, no, no. I think we can expect people to commit to us and to keep promises and to treat us with respect. I think those are all things we can expect.
For sure. I mean, you should have expectations. You should also be able to manage them. But that doesn't mean there can't be a base level of expectation.
Right. Like, everything that she is investing with David and into this house and all this time they're spending together, you know, for her to just kind of think, well, I don't know, you know, I don't really know what's going to come of it. Well, but what do you really want? I don't think she's being totally honest with everyone or totally honest with herself in terms of what she wants.
Totally. Good on you, Gabrielle. So then we have Margaret's party. It's the 20th anniversary of the Macbeth Collection.
So Margaret, of course, there was a party. She looked amazing, by the way. She really did. She said that Joe got her surgical grade tape to hold the girls up.
Right. They look good. Skims also offers boob tape if you want to support your girl. Well, you want to support your girl.
That's why you always give her a throw on the podcast. Sure am. You hear that, Kim? Of course, we're going to have a little drama because Jackie, how it all ended with Jennifer and how it ended with Melissa and Jennifer and the Hamptons, we didn't really get closure.
Yeah. But I think Joe Gorga took it a little too far by going up to Jennifer's husband and being like, you know, your wife causes a lot of issues with the ladies. Maybe it's because she's not getting banged by you enough. Yeah.
What is that? You got to bang her more. She's actually frustrated. You got to give her more.
Where are you going? He pretty much told him that he needs to bang her more. Like, not okay. Not okay.
And I think, you know, we know Joe. He's joking, but not everyone plays like that. Well, and I think even in that moment, he might not have been joking as much as we expect him to because I think it's also coming to the point where a lot of the issues somehow come out of Jennifer's behavior. You know, between her and Jackie, between her and Melissa, this isn't the first time she's, like, confronted Melissa at a dinner and there's been something thrown where it's starting to get a little risky and violent, so I think Joe is trying to protect his wife.
But to call it out the way that he did in front of everybody else, it didn't like that. And also, you know, they were having a guys' night earlier this season, and that's when Bill said, like, we don't have sex that often. Yeah. You're not allowed to take that info that someone shares and throw it in their face.
Right. That's not okay. I agree. I will say, though, going back a little bit in the episode when Joe brings up the way that Joe G.
Ice is treating Teresa and how it's maybe a little bit too late for him to have this perspective or opinion, but he basically says, I don't like the way that Joe has treated you, and it's kind of been something that's happened for a really long time. You want to know the truth? Yeah. I never really thought you guys had a good relationship.
I just didn't see him treat me the way you should have been treated. But is that the first time that Joe's bringing that up to her? I think that he's never said it like that. Yeah.
He has said, your husband has turned my father against me. I know that was a big issue for them and their family, but I don't think he ever necessarily called out the cheating. Right. I don't have a feel about it.
It's weird because it's almost hurtful to me as a fan that Teresa for so long has been like, he doesn't cheat on me. And, you know, we clearly saw him having this phone call in the vineyards, and it was not okay whatever was happening. Yeah. And Jacqueline Loretta had called it out at a reunion and said, you caught him on a desk with someone.
And she's like, that never happened. It's just, I know that there's a certain amount of facade that people will put on their relationship, but it's just hard to know. Like, I feel like trust has been broken. Oh, absolutely.
And, you know, Melissa Borger was on Watch What Happens Live last week, and Andy had previously said what comes out at the Real Housewives of New Jersey reunion is crazy. And, you know, it's almost like there is, I think, a bit of a payoff to some of the things that we've been waiting to hear answers on. And it does have something to do with cheating allegations. I think they said something about even Dolores had something to say about it.
So that reunion is going to be a good one. Yeah. I mean, there's no way Dolores doesn't know. Right.
Just because, I mean, I'm sure, as her best friend, Teresa, would have confided in her. Absolutely. I mean, to your point of putting up a facade, there's also the layer of denial. You know, there's a part of you that doesn't want to believe it.
And once you kind of accept it, that it's a real thing, then you have to tell the kids. And then it has to be something with the public because they're on television. You know, I can understand why she might hide it. But at this point, we know they're separated.
They're going literally their separate ways. So I think Teresa can be a little bit more honest with it. And in some ways, you know, I think as fans, we're owed that information. Yeah.
You know, because we've seen so much. Okay, we'll go back to Jennifer real quick. At Margaret's party, she does take Jackie aside for the second time this season, having to apologize to her. But what's funny about Jennifer's apologies is they're always two steps forward, one step back.
Because she always does the, I'm sorry, but, and tries to explain herself and reiterate what she was doing and where her mind was at. So it's just, you know, Jennifer's one of those really complex people. That one minute, I'm behind her on the next one, and I'm like, why can't you get it together? Yeah.
What did you think, though, about Jackie saying, you know, I don't want your apology. Like, I'm sick of you apologizing. I'm sorry. I think it's basically Jackie's way of saying, I just don't want your friendship.
You know, I don't care what you think. I don't really need an apology. I just don't even want to interact with you in that way. I don't care what you think of me.
I don't care what you say about me. Let's leave it at that. I mean, I definitely have said to Erin, I think, before in a fight, like, I don't need you to apologize. I need you to stop f***ing up.
Right. Don't make me mad. Yeah. And then don't, like, then you don't need to apologize.
And I think that's even how Melissa feels about the whole thing. Melissa's like, if you stopped behaving like this, there wouldn't be anything to apologize for. Exactly. And, you know, Jennifer walked right into the, exactly, Erin.
You hear that? But also Jennifer walked right into the party and was like, immediately asked for tequila. And I was like, well, here we go again. I don't even, like, the fact that Bill just knowingly is like, just keep it at one, you know.
Yeah. Do we need that? Like, he knows. And also poor Margaret running around the party.
She must have said at least four to five times, there are investors here. Please, everyone be on your best behavior. Like, nobody act a fool, please. Do you think she really wants everyone on their best behavior?
None of their best behavior because they are filming, so they have to get something going on. But I can understand her being like, if you're going to have a fight, take it outside. Like, take it out of this main room. I'm excited for next week on Jersey because we get a couple's trip.
Yes. And I love couple's trips. I know. I think they used to do them so much more often.
And there hasn't been a major one recently. Yeah. Plus, I want to see Evan with her shirt off. I spoke with Vanderpump Rules' Ariana Maddox, and she shares her side of the alleged Stassi book this, reveals if she thinks she's similar to the new server Dana, and she responds to Jax's comments about her and Tom Sandoval's relationship that you might remember from our interview a few weeks ago, while she picks out a cocktail that best describes her fellow servers.
Here's that interview. All right, guys. We are here with Ariana Maddox from Vanderpump Rules. Hi, Ariana.
Hi. How are you? I'm good. How are you?
Good. Welcome back to New York. Thank you. Going on Watch What Happens Live?
Yes. Are you excited? Yeah, I'm very excited. It's my first time going on Watch What Happens Live with a non-Vanderpump Rules cast member.
What cocktail do you always get when you go to Watch What Happens Live? I always get a T.O.'s and Soda with Lemon. Oh, okay. It's my go-to.
Right. Yeah. I do the Fresquilla because it's so good to be ever having that one. Oh, that's like Gandy's Jam.
Yeah. Isn't it? Tequila and Fresca? Yeah.
Fresquilla. It's like my mother's favorite thing is Fresca. We'll throw some tequila in it for her next time. Yeah.
Okay, so let's talk a little bit of Vanderpump Rules. Rewatching the episodes where Sanval and Stassi are arguing about this whole book party and then, looking back on it, do you still side with Tom? I never did. I don't know why anyone would say that.
Who's Tom? I was the person who told him not to contact her. Right. At night four.
Okay. I was definitely not, here's the thing, definitely not on his side when it came to texting Stassi. Yeah. Not at all.
But what I was trying to, this is what happens with Tom, is that Tom has a really fair, good point in something that he needs to get across, but then his emotions take over and no one cares about what he has to say. It's like that gets lost. Yeah. So there were some very serious issues with that event, but that was not on Stassi.
That was on Schwartz. And that's what I was trying, that's why when Schwartz and Katie were saying all the stuff, that's why I was laughing. I was like, y'all are being crazy. Yeah.
Well, because it's just going to lie at all. And I was like, we're going, and then that's when I was like, if your name is not Tom, we need to walk away from this. Right. And that's what happened.
And then I was talking to Kristen on the, because there's also, Lala came up and yelled, Kristen came up and yelled. There's a lot, like it went on for a really long time. And then that's when I was like, okay, listen, like we need to leave this conversation. We have nothing to do with this.
This needs, it should have been between Tom and Tom from the beginning. And it needs to be between Tom and Tom right now. So I was talking to Kristen like on the side of the bar. And I didn't even, Stassi was like, she's like, right behind me.
She's like, I didn't even see her go over there. And then I kind of heard some commotion, but I didn't hear a lot. Yeah. Because I was in my own conversation at that point.
And I brought my book to get signed too. I was like, I bought this on pre-order. I want to get a signed. Did it ever get signed?
No. I know. I told her the other day, I was like, but you better sign my book. Yeah.
She used to do that. Yeah. And then so, yeah, I felt like I was a little out of it. Right.
Okay. So it ended up really being that Tom Schwartz did not communicate properly about the staffing. And it was just kind of a miscommunication on that whole front. There was a lot of miscommunication and things that like, you know, didn't go through the proper channels in the way that things normally would get planned.
Yeah. Right. Okay. So Stassi's book, let's talk about the situation at the airport.
What was going on with like, were you being shady? I was so confused. Okay. So in our interviews, like on the show, like professional interviews, when our producer asked, like said something like, so they said that you said that they brought a book.
I literally, I feel like at that point they knew, I was like, I've never laughed so hard in the interview. I was like, that is pure insanity. I've never heard of anything funny. And we're like, so they're trying to say that I said they brought inventory to a store and gave it to them.
I think that's what I'm saying. I was like, that makes no sense. I said exactly what they did. I was laughing.
You know how it shows them like putting the book from the back to the front and laughing about it. Yeah. That's what I was also doing laughing about. I saw them doing it and like taking pictures of it.
And I was like, that's funny. And I know they did that because when I was in there, I didn't see it there because I went to that store like three times. It was early. And I was laughing because I was like, I used to do that with Britney Spears CDs.
Stop it. I used to always put Britney Spears CDs in front of Justin Timberlake CDs. You're my hero. Okay.
That's why I was laughing about it. So then when it was like, that's why they were being salty towards me. I was like, this is okay. This needs to like stop.
Right. Well, honestly, I wouldn't even judge Sassy if she did bring her book and like placed it in front. It would be like, even then it would be funny. But I was like, there's no way, no one's ever, you can't, that would be crazy.
You'd be giving money away. You wouldn't do that with fancy AF. No, I would, I would put it to the front if it was already in the store because I'd be like, you know, should I buy this shit. Have you ever like left a little note in one of the books in the store?
No, like Selena Gomez. Yeah. And she like went inside. No, I haven't.
Selena Gomez also went and bought like all of her albums at like Target and like three other different stores. Like recently. She went in and like cleared the inventory. To get that number one.
She wanted her album to be number one. Hey, there's no shame in that game. Listen, it's all about the hustle, okay? There's no shame in that game.
Speaking of Sassy, Kristen, Katie, what is your take on their whole friendship situation that we're seeing this season? I feel slightly torn because I do understand that it is frustrating for Sassy and Katie to feel like Kristen's asking them for advice and then not taking it and then it keeps happening. So I get that frustration. But at the same time, I also, you know, feel bad because it's a messy breakup and breakups can be messy sometimes and sometimes Kristen can be messy.
And I just feel like that's what we all signed up for as a friend and, you know, you got to kind of love her for it. Right. And so I kind of see both sides of that. When they're like crappy wedding dress shopping or whatever it is, what do they call it?
It's like shady, tacky, tacky wedding dress shopping. Katie like apologizes to Kristen, but then on the Miami trip, she sort of gets fired up about it again and then later on Kristen and Stassi sort of come to terms with it too. So it's like Katie's kind of all over the place, but it seems like Stassi at the end of the day also really just like she cares about Kristen so much and they're so close. But to your point, it's just like frustrating.
It's a harder situation. Yeah. It's, listen, it is. It's frustrating to see a friend of yours be sad or upset and go through something like that.
I just feel like it's one of those things that you, even if you are frustrated, she just has to figure it out in her own time. Yeah. And, you know, obviously they're not together right now. Right.
She's figured something out. Are they not together right now but still having morning sex? Because we learned about that the other day. When she told me that, I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
She's not freaking kidding you. We also saw, we had Sheena in last week and we talked to her about the Utah trip and she did not find out about the girls going on that until Instagram. Is that the same for you too? Yes.
Does that make you feel weird at all? I mean, they've gone on trips together without Sheena and I in the past, like Paris. whatever else. The thing is that I don't know that I technically could have gone.
They didn't know that but I don't know if I could have gone anyway. But at the same time they are my friends and I do love I love them very dearly but I don't know that I feel left out so much as I don't know I think it's okay. Well Sheena said last week sometimes you don't invite all of your friends to every single event that you do so it's just one of those things that just happened that way. And Lala and Katie are both from there so I feel like they could be going to see family and stuff and that's where we first saw a little teaser of Stassi signing the paperwork for her house which is awesome.
Is she even in there yet? I don't think they're living I think they're trying to do some work on it before they fully move in. Looking back on all the seasons we're in the 8th season now has there ever been a moment where you thought this is it I think I want to leave the show? All the time.
What's one that really stands out to you? There's one this season that we saw in the preview that I literally openly was just like I can't do this anymore. That's why you're very upset in that preview. Yeah.
There's been a few I feel like what ends up happening is that if I'm watching the show in the moment I'll feel a certain way and then like seven months later the show's airing and something will just feel worse when it comes back because then it's like maybe that person you're confiding in said something sassy in their interview and you're like well f*** you man that sucks and then you have the opinions of millions of people online and you're just like you don't know me or anyone on the show I appreciate you watching it that's lovely but to speak about somebody on that level sometimes can be a little intense and those are the moments that I'm just like but then I think about it and I'm like how the good far outweighs the bad and I honestly feel like instead of being frustrated with the status quo fans reaching out to you you opened up this season about your depression and how buying the house you thought that was maybe going to be like the fix so what has the fan outreach been like when you opened up to Lisa about all that there's been a lot of people who have talked to me about how they've been in similar situations and you know how they're saying that me talking about it is helpful for them but like even just like to be super selfish it helps me to hear that from those people because then I feel like it wasn't stupid because sometimes when I'm talking about it and I'm being asked about it like later on I feel stupid I feel like what a f***ing idiot that I feel this way but then when I know that other people have been through that too it makes me feel less stupid and more like it's okay well unless alone too yeah unless alone like I'm not the only one going through it yeah that's good that's good that you have a little bit of support yeah even in the fans it helps a lot it really does and I just like to I like to think of those people as like my friends yeah you just haven't met them yet yeah exactly so dating someone that is such an extrovert what are some things that you guys do to ensure that both of your feelings are sort of validated in the relationship because Tom is just like so up here you know I mean you're extroverted too in your own way but Tom is like yeah yeah so like last night for example we were on the phone for like two and a half hours just chatting about stuff I think that we have like that's like the outward appearance and then when we're at home alone we just kind of talk very like openly about things and I've learned from him to be more vocal about what I want and what I feel because I'm not that's where I become like in my shell and he's I think I feel like we learn from each other in that sense so like I'll take little things that I can get from him like maybe be a little bit more extroverted when it comes to like who you are and what you want you know like last night I was like can we do something romantic but like normally I feel like in the past I've been like afraid to say something like feel stupid saying something like that but then I learned from him to not be that way yeah do you feel like you often have to defend your relationship especially among the rest of the cast it's funny because I've never felt that way ever with any of our friends it's like just in that group of people it's so weird I'm like do y'all know us or like I don't know it's weird like sometimes it feels like like a stranger like I see these people all the time I talk to them all the time and then they're saying things that sound like they don't know who I am at all so it can be a little weird and it is weird feeling like this isn't a thing like I don't know well Jackson's on our podcast not too long ago no I know well I mean he mentioned like something about the house that you guys got was like similar to the way their house looked and he kind of went off a little bit yeah for like 10 minutes what was your reaction to that oh I was really grossed out I was kind of sick y'all were quiet as hell we were like it's not in style yeah I mean look when we bought our house it did not look like anybody else's house right and just you know I feel like we vetted a lot of stuff we looked at so many houses in every single area of LA Hollywood Hills Benedict Canyon Beverly Hills West Hollywood Valley Village Silver Lake we literally went through like every neighborhood every kind of house and we were like no this is what's gonna work for us this is what we want take all of our boxes and so I feel like we did a lot of the legwork you know so it's kind of like cool in a way yeah well and a lot of the houses look similar architecturally in California too well yeah you know I mean it's not like well and I feel like when you go into them it doesn't feel that way yeah like when I go to Schwartz and Katie's house versus Jackson Brittany's house like it doesn't feel that way at all right and all three of us as couples and including Sassi and Bo we all have such different styles yeah so that when all is said and done like it's just not gonna be that way right how is the furniture coming along in the house it's great what's going on what do we have what's the latest purchase the latest purchase the dining room the big dining room table was the latest purchase okay is that your favorite piece you've had so far no my bed and my kitchen table and my kitchen chairs okay are my three favorites so people don't have to bring furniture over to sit on at this point anymore I thought that was so funny and I was like why is everybody such snobs all of a sudden I don't know right you came over to our apartment now you're too good for just bring your own chair relax we've been through worse you know well looking at Jax and Brittany's wedding coming up this season have you seen a change in Jax since marrying Brittany definitely in their relationship yeah I've definitely seen a change in the way that their relationship works what about Jax's relationship with Tom Sandoval I don't know that I've ever understood that relationship interesting how so well I mean you've seen the show I mean it's true they've known each other for a really long time they've been through a lot together but is it sort of like you're wondering how it's lasted as long as it has yeah given the crazy ups and downs and also just like the general manner in which they interact like I've never I've never seen Tom be like oh I feel a certain way or I'm having a bad day I'm gonna go talk to my friend Jax so I've never quite I don't know I mean I'm not in the friendship so I feel bad making judgments but you know as an outsider I never quite understood I've never yeah I don't know I get it I think we get it we have some new faces on the show this season so I think Dana right now has made the biggest splash with everything going on with Max and all that so have you noticed like similarities between you and Dana did you click with her when you met yeah she's like we talk every day oh really oh my god okay so I think she's hilarious I mean I love her stand up show I get very nervous when I see stand up especially with someone that I'm like rooting for I get nervous there's like an energy in that room that like doesn't translate to watching it back on TV so it's like I was like nervous for how it was gonna translate but I mean she was hilarious in person so I feel like that's like what matters and I honestly feel like I saw some people who were like salty about one of the jokes she made and I was like I make jokes about my dad all the time well without her mom right yeah I mean I thought that was funny because if you don't joke about it you'll cry about it exactly and she's so pretty too so when that dark humor comes out you're kind of unexpected and you're like oh damn she's not there how do you feel about Sheena's current dating situation I'm obsessed with it I love him he came in with her last week and I was like is that Jason Maman he's huge and he's so nice he's so nice he's so funny he's so friendly it's so funny okay so the four of us me, Tom, Brock, and Sheena we went to like Tahoe for New Year's and just that was the most time that we'd spent with him you know as a friend group and it's so funny to watch like him and Tom because like Brock is like Tom St. Hall is like the Tom Schwartz of that friendship and you really rarely get to see that kind of shift in dynamic and it was just it was awesome yeah so we asked Sheena a couple questions we played a little game with her like about dating and whatnot we asked her where's the craziest place that they've had sex oh my god where's the craziest place that you've had sex as she sits her coffee in the backseat of Tom's 97 Honda Civic Honda Civic, damn that's the craziest place I mean we were parked well we were like not in a very discreet area yeah so yeah I feel like the statute of limitations has passed I can talk about it but it's like one of those things I'm like there's security cameras everywhere in every city so like it makes me slightly nervous but like somebody was in the office and I'd be like oh hello yeah someone might have seen that yeah it was raining oh you know it was a moment very romantic yeah all right so before we wrap up I want to play a little game so you have fancy AF cocktails so congratulations on that thank you you're welcome so I want to list out some of your fellow cast members and I want you to say which cocktail from the book you think that they are oh some of them are named after them okay well that's a very good point okay so Tom Sandoval Tom Sandoval the STL Red Hot Rita rare yeah spicy margarita that's a little beer float okay I can see that okay what about Sheena Sheena's the rosy disposition oh that's true the eternal optimist that is so true putting her all into everything okay saucy the basic bitch right she does have her own right yes of course Lisa Vanderpump Lisa Vanderpump is the FTB which stands for fear the boss and that's a Mezcal cocktail pink of course spicy smoky smoky that is Lisa Vanderpump all right Ariana thank you so much for coming in so good to see you okay Summer House premiere I need to be honest okay I was preparing for an interview that we did with Noah Sampton he's a Bravo exec and Kyle from Summer House so I had to do a bunch of watching of the new season I'm like four eps in okay this is my favorite season yet is it I am very happy where the season goes okay but to begin we're back what do you think of this news that Lindsay and Carl I don't even want to say well I know it comes out I think in episode two the term or maybe it's in this first episode in the first episode it's like just fingering okay guys get ready they sing it so much and then it turns into finger banging and then finger blasting which is just finger banging so I'm sorry so we learned that I think it was even just maybe a week before they go into the house that Lindsay and Carl have in fact hooked up and this is almost one of those things that's been a long time coming but also they have been such good friends for this long and nothing has happened that it is a little bit surprising okay here's why it's surprising that they have yet to kiss right he's like in bed my finger we weren't even like kissing I'm sure there's an equivalent for you but I can't imagine laying in bed next to a guy stop or oh we're in this and I'm gonna make out with you but just to be like were you pretending you're sleeping well hopefully not that's weird right I mean I guess it's weird like I feel as though as a gay man there's been plenty of instances when you haven't kissed the person oh for sure I mean like there's a level of intimacy to kissing that maybe they just like weren't ready for because they are such good friends they're best friends they keep saying they say I love you to each other so adding this new layer is kind of confusing maybe and they don't know which order to really do things and they haven't even gone on a date really at this point you know so just this hook up might have shaken things up for them and it's a little bit confusing not only for us as the audience but for them as the two people involved that is so fascinating okay well let's do also first impressions of the new cast member oh yeah Jules and Luke I think Jules is cute I think Luke is cuter oh yeah I mean Luke is some next level hot he is a main model he is a former hockey player and he's a hockey coach I know cute I love that he has kind of just enough of the start of a sleeve tattoo that you know ultimately it's gonna look really good he looks really handsome in his interviews when he's like just filming and it's like regular he doesn't always I think put himself together perhaps as nicely as he does in the interviews which is understandable everyone always goes a little bit more into their interview looks but he's a babe he was definitely hot cute and as I think Hannah says a hundred times well he's like 6'2 he's tall that's already the first requirement you need to be hot right yeah also though poor Armand because who is like her not boyfriend but like basically her boyfriend without the title just because I felt bad for him thinking he's gonna watch the episode where she's like this guy's 6'2 he makes my vagina tingle and she's like Armand's 5'11 and he's my best friend like no I don't wanna be the friend I know but you know what Hannah is one of those people like I've met her a couple times we're friends like she has this certain sense of humor that I think goes with her in every aspect of her life so I think she's just she knows that she can get away with that and if Armand really is as close with her as he is he'll understand that but I think I myself personally if I saw that footage back I would also feel a type of way about hearing the person I was sort of involved with at that point talking like that about something else see me as a sexual being first see me as a human second okay yes exactly and a comedian third always but going back to Jules too I think she's adorable I really like her I think she has an interesting background that we get into a little bit more as the season goes on but I feel like she's gonna bring something interesting this season I have a feeling about her I'm glad Paige is back I just think she's a perfect specimen I like looking at her and I love her friendship with Hannah and Paige also comes into the house this year with a guy back home and it's not an Armand situation it's a real deal they're together they've known each other for a while they got together for a few months before that and he's 10 years older so that means there's like this bigger chance I think that this could be it for her and he's really cute I think he's adorable and spoiler alert they're still together okay I want to talk about this little tiff at the dinner table oh my god because it's the first weekend their first family dinner and Kyle and Amanda are talking about the wedding and how a venue fell through but Amanda is relieved and then Kyle I guess thinks they're having a serious conversation but Hannah and Paige are laughing and he just goes off it's totally misdirected anger obviously but at this point it's the first dinner everyone just got there they're really hyped to be back together everyone's drinking a lot of rosé at that point they're a couple hours into their arrival at the house and so god only knows how many bottles they've gone through already so it's just like what is going on Kyle like they're just laughing and having fun they're not making fun of you like it's a separate thing and it's Paige and Hannah the two of them get together and all they do is make each other laugh like he should know that by now my favorite moment of this episode was you was falling off the chair and breaking it oh really but I think my favorite part was like there was a moment where Lindsay she put her hand out and knew she could stop it but didn't and just laughed instead I was like I relate to that yeah I mean that's such a Lindsay move too she's like hold on I'm going to help you and then she's like actually better if you fall okay what do you think about Lindsay and Carl potentially getting together i honestly feel like they're going to give it a shot and it's probably not going to work out i don't know i don't think it's going to be a thing that's my guess yeah i also have to note at one point when kyle and amanda are in the room together and getting ready kyle speaks to her through the mirror like he's facing the mirror and she's on the bed behind me speaks to her through the mirror and it freaks me out like that freaks me out that to me is like some american psycho behavior i don't know you never do that i don't i think i would turn and face the person as opposed to speak to them through the mirror okay i just because in the girls restroom here we look at each other through the mirror freaky i mean i guess eventually we turn but like you know i don't know no i guess it's one thing if you're next to each other that doesn't seem so weird right because you're both in the same position and like that but for you know amanda was on the bed and he's like talking and he's saying something kind of aggressive at her too so i was just like oh i don't like that just turn around and look at her the two of them i mean i don't know it's a rocky start for them this season well okay so i was interviewing them together earlier today and i said i totally relate to what they're going through and that i feel like aaron and i were at our worst after right after we got engaged because we we basically moved in and got engaged around the same time so it was just like you don't really know what you're getting yourself into until that time and then you're like holy shit i'm about to like commit my life to this person so i feel like it magnifies these little things that they do right i think i forgot that their engagement and then moving in together happened pretty simultaneously and getting into this business venture lover boy together like that is a lot it is a lot and i guess for kyle and amanda they're both learning what each other's living behavior is like and it seems like amanda's a little bit messy maybe doesn't put things away and that's frustrating for him so that does make a little bit more sense but i've always had some reservations about them given his cheating past yeah i mean i think everyone on this cast except for the boys except for carl but everyone else in the cast is a little bit like well we remember what happened last summer so yeah i would not take carl's uh opinion of relationships to heart right i'm interested to know danielle's reaction i know to finding out about carl and then because honestly page i think was never totally as into carl last season as maybe he was into her so i think her coming to the house and learning this information it's gonna be like whatever to her because she also has perry back home but danielle i think was a little bit more invested in what was going on between her and carl yeah to a point where this information and knowing that she's really friends like very friendly with lindsey this could affect her in a different way definitely i also got a chance to sit down with chef adam glick who you guys probably remember from below deck med and jenna mcgillivray the new chief stew from the new spinoff series below deck sailing yacht they talk about their first impressions of the boat if they think it's a smart idea to date while on deck and if they can tell a charter guest is going to be difficult based on what's on the preference sheets plus they hint at breakups and relationships that we can expect from this season let's take a listen to that interview ladies and gentlemen we are here with chef adam glick and jenna mcgillivray yeah from below deck sailing out what's going on guys happy to be here well chef adam you look awfully familiar you came off of a year of traveling kind of roughing it what was your mentality going on to the sailing out at the beginning of the season well i think um you know after you spend that much time outdoors and doing your own thing eventually you get bored so brain roll right i got my break i needed a break i got it and it was about a year that you were traveling yeah well i mean i know in fact i've been doing that for well over a decade yeah i've been doing that for as long as i've been yachting wow i just happened to have been publicized for last year right people are paying attention exactly got it jenna were you surprised by the status of the interior when you arrived this season because i don't think did you expect it would be that much to prepare no honestly and you typically have so much time to organize a boat in general prior to coming on board so seeing that like my mind was blown and i was like how are we possibly going to do this and we just got to a point where i was like shove everything in closets just push it aside we put things in garbage bags and shove them into bilges and you just have to do that like you just don't physically have time to do otherwise right because by the time you got on the boat i mean it was only what 24 hours in total charter so it was like here we go i'm it's phenomenal that we accomplished what we did in that time frame yeah adam you had said that the crew that was on the boat during the offseason they tend to get like a little comfortable so you think that was the case here that they just weren't taking the right care well i mean it's not necessarily not taking care they know how to take care of the boat it's more just complacency you know the boss isn't checking on you you're hanging out on the dock in the middle of a beautiful country right who wouldn't rather go swimming all day yeah so when you guys are beginning a charter you get the preference sheet do you get a preconceived idea of what the guests are going to be like based on the preference sheet i mean i know we've seen that with you on below deck med that you were like i cannot accommodate all of these people's needs so do you kind of start to prepare at that point what you're gonna have to deal with i mean the only way to prepare for what i have to deal with is to do what you're told right i mean there's nothing i can do about it anymore yeah i just do what i'm told right i came back this season with that attitude and uh jenna here vastly different than working with hannah you know she takes the initiative to go to the guests and say hey we're going under sale for the next hour and a half will it be okay if we eat our lunch afterward not only did she just buy me an hour and a half but she also just prevented me from having to serve the food under sale right so there's a lot of efforts that this chief stew needs to go through to make our lives easier together and she did them yeah when you say preference sheet jenna what do you prepare like what is that red flag to you i prepare mentally for how i'm going to deal with the personalities because you can tell a lot from the picture so for me i'm looking at the picture i'm like uh-huh this is what we have so yeah i think for me it's like you know preparing for what kind of personality you have on board and how i'm going to cater my personality to meet their needs right because i always adjust and you know you just go along with the flow and i just think that i'm pretty likable so when i'm meeting people you just go with the flow and adjust to their personality yeah have you ever had an experience with like one just outrageous guess like maybe they did something inappropriate and you had to like intervene only one i can only pick one really okay well that's a good thing no no i mean typically it's like the drunk behavior what i guess is an issue for me or that's hard to deal with is when somebody gets so drunk that it's a safety concern right and i have to actually intervene and say no more or you do it in a way that's not going to piss them off too hard and hope for the best right because when they're rich and they want to drink they're not going to take no for an answer oh absolutely unless you just punch them in the face which at that rate i don't know i feel a risky adam you mentioned that uh sailing yachts are harder to work on than regular yachts or regular yachts is it because of the size is there a design in the galleys that are different on sailing yachts both um and also of course the heel so working on a sailboat not only are my storage spaces constricted the entire boat is constricted so you know that includes the galley so i have less place to put things i have less place to cook and i have to do all of that on a 35 degree angle how do you do that good luck chef i know for real i mean even in the very first episode we see things are you know going back and forth and then the ice cooler is leaking and it's just sort of like how can you anticipate that you can't and the only thing that will help you in this circumstance is a decade of yachting right just the experience you throw any green chef in that and they will not only will they be throwing up but they wouldn't make it through the day right jenna what is the biggest difference for you working on a sailing yacht versus a larger one i think it's the people so i mean the size is the same same size crew for the same volume of the boat but i think it's the type of crew that go on to sailboats it's uh and definitely our crew i would say we have this great sense of humor and great banter and that's what i love about parcival um some people got it some people didn't but i think overall we had that mentality and that's like a true sailing yachty type of mentality right adam coming into the season off of below deck net previously did something feel different coming into this one compared to your previous seasons um great question i mean i think coming into this season i felt more comfortable just the nature of the boat meeting glenn meeting siar and paget who had been on the boat by the typical chef will arrive on the dock walk on the boat as a temp chef and you meet nine people and that is actually the most real yachting experience i've had yet in the blow deck series because i don't walk onto a boat by myself or meeting strangers where everyone's a stranger right you walk into a team and you're the new guy it's like the new first day school you know yeah in some way this kind of felt similar to that it's like walking into the first day school and glenn's the principal and uh siar and paget the teachers right yeah glenn does seem kind of like a principal heading into the first start of the season you told georgia and madison that you don't coddle why do you believe being a stern leader is better why is that maybe your tactic as a leader um i think that's the way that i learned and it's just what works best for me and it's my personality so i'm not going to adjust my personality necessarily to an extreme to meet the needs of people right i mean these aren't these aren't 15 year old kids they're in their mid to late 20s so you know i'm not there to sugarcoat things i'm there for the guests and that's my primary concern so they're responsible for their personalities and their hangups and whatever they're going through right come to me by all means but i'm not going to baby through the process yeah was there a moment this season where maybe you thought you went too hard on the girls no i mean i definitely have a harsh side and i and i think that comes with the territory i i have a lot of stress and pressure and i'm the face that the guests are looking to if anything goes wrong and i and i am i take my job very seriously i really do have a passion for what i do and i have a passion for providing for providing excellent guest experience yeah so when i have that on my shoulders i put a lot of pressure on the girls and i do feel like you have to have a thick skin to be in the audience right i never you know i cried in my first year of yachting but i never showed that to the chief suit right i ran away and hid and i took my knocks and i went through it and i think you have to do that in yachting you know it's it's just a job that is hard and you have to suffer through it yeah so you're just you kind of built up your own thick skin then you sort of expect that of the people that work for you i think that's understandable and again i'm not i'm not so cold as to turn somebody away if they came to speak to me i'm always open for that yeah let's talk about everyone's favorite topic on below deck and that is relationships so this is it right this season we have padgett and sierra who are on board were you guys surprised when you met them to find out that they were a couple well yeah like i said i mean i'm not used to walking on that boat to meet anyone other than strangers yeah and in this case you walk on like this this is a this is a crew this feels like a crew that i just walked on the boat that was a good example of because in a typical crew you already have an established relationship and a captain yeah what about you jenna yeah i mean i don't think i was surprised but i was happy to see that i instantly liked both of them like they're great people so i it was nice to see they were really professional and i don't think the relationship ever conflicted with too many things so it was interesting to watch i mean there's definitely some drama there and i like to watch oh i believe it yeah so i mean do you think it's better to be in a situation where you go into the season in a relationship particularly in this case with someone on board or is it better to go into a season as a single person depends on what you're looking for right okay only anyone goes into a season looking for a relationship or a couple hookups yeah just happen to meet someone that uh tickles your fancy can we expect to see any breakups relationship drama this season yep we're absolutely relationship drama and is it outside of the one relationship that we do know going into the season i think it's safe to say that there are more than one relationships happening on the boat okay jenna agree with that do you want to elaborate on that at all i think it's better for you to see how it all progresses okay that's fair um so when you guys spend the first night out together like you survive the first charter you go out start partying do you start to see in that moment relationships forming whether it's friendships whether it's something romantic is it always that first drunken night that's kind of sets the tone i'd say so i mean first impressions are everything right yeah i don't really set the tone in our first night out how's that well i don't often drink to excess but uh wine seems to really go down in a weird way for me so yeah there's a there's a wine scene happening in there that gets maybe out of hand i don't know in a good way in a good way yeah is there sort of this mentality when any of these romantic relationships form that like it's almost an unspoken agreement that there's an expiration date on that like we always talk about on the podcast it's kind of like summer camp like you probably won't take that relationship further on but do you guys feel that way being on the boat i mean you know historically yeah the audience kind of come and go as the relationships do as your job does as you get transferred so right you know chances of you making it are pretty slim and um you know i think you just kind of have to decide whether or not you really like a person and whether or not it's worth you know putting on all the effort yeah which can be that can be said of like many relationships yeah i think the difference is like cr and pageant they got to meet on their own time yeah you know whoever meets on a boat is going to have to meet on the charter guest time right and think about that think about how little time i have to begin with or anyone that's working on that boat and then whether or not they'll be able to do both their job and satisfy a relationship that's a good point i didn't even think of that exactly the exact same amount of time yeah i mean for me i'm a hopeless romantic and i i honestly put all of my effort into every relationship that i have and i've had both relationships before and i've had my heart broken because i put everything into that and i think the other person didn't yeah so i will always go in full throttle and just see how that goes i feel like that's the only way to do it for me personally i'm not for hookup so it's just not how i roll right you both reveal in the first episode discussed it a little bit being engaged in the past each one of you so how has that impacted the way you view relationships moving forward i hate all men put it out there now just kidding um yeah you know i think yachting definitely throws a wrench in anyone's program so i i still stand to the state that that was the case of my relationship my engagement um it became too difficult for the two of us to function when i'm halfway around the world on a private yacht right yeah and i think for me i was definitely involved with somebody who uh yachting is filled with super attractive people and i feel like when you're not on the boat with your partner they're like oh but there's somebody equally hot that i can sleep with and i don't function that way but my ex did and just the way the cookie crumbled yeah how long ago was that you were engaged uh nine years ago okay and when was it that you were engaged okay wow it was actually us we were engaged all right so now we have this brand new show we have a brand new captain tell us one thing that we need to know about captain glenn going into the season i mean i've said it all day i'll continue to say you know glenn never once looked over my shoulder and that was i can't even tell you how much that makes me want to get up the next day and actually do my job to the fullest you know when when you're superior doesn't even trust you you got a lot of work to do so um the fact that glenn never once questioned my abilities i like that guy yeah uh for me glenn i feel is the ultimate leader because he just sets a tone for you want to work for him because you respect him not because he intimidates you yeah he definitely gains your respect yeah and for me that's what i would strive to be um he wants to get to know you he wants to be your friend he wants to be family it's not which most captains are that way my experience yeah it's a family you know it's not a dictatorship and it's not in a fake way he's just a genuine person and i really really value that well he even shares a room with one of the crew members i was like oh my god have we ever seen that before i mean he has to well i guess yeah i was gonna say with these votes as well i mean there's not a lot of options right all right well thank you guys so much for coming in really appreciate it we're so excited about the new season all right so below deck finale it is all coming to a close men versus women yeah what's the opposite of setting sail sinking ship pretty much i mean it's a rocky end i think to a rocky season but this is what we love the drama yes at one point very early in the episode over this whole penis kate debacle chef kevin calls kate's actions evil i see kate and the look in her eyes and it's an evil divine look and she's got me good here this is a pretty evil kind of fish mode are they really evil that's a strong word to use for a situation that maybe she was just trying to embarrass him a little bit yeah and by the way phenomenal job like really that landed so well and that it was so bad for him i feel like the penis take failure is very symbolic of the season like who gets the last laugh it's the ladies because you know penis is it's phallic it's very representative of like men yeah and all that so just to see it fall and see if that's just like crumble and he took it so hard and you know it makes me think like this is very deep and dark and i'm so sorry but they ask men like what's your greatest fear and men say that women will laugh at me yes and they ask women what's your greatest fear i'll be that men will kill me right and it is just like this male fragile ego i mean present company excluded but like you could just see it's like it bothered him to get embarrassed in that way right like it made him angry i mean the rest of the charter they loved his food it's totally fine so for him to take it to take it that personally i know in that moment was a little bit like all right and by the way the girls were totally cool with it they were just like the next day oh my god that was so funny like thank you i'm sorry you know well they end up going out to party charter season's ending it's for the last night there's a lot of uh loose ends perhaps that should be tied up to put it nicely but one thing i will say is when they are on the beach and they're partying and they make a reference to the lady boys that are on the beach i was like triggered after what we went through i don't want to get into this like it's too complicated hell no i really appreciated ashton's approach to everything which is he talked to riley beforehand and was like we like each other yeah let's not ruin this last night out and he just kind of stayed away which is probably best i was out of my mind with anger when i saw kevin kick the sand at kate that was awful hey for jack i'll stand shoot it to my eye this was not an accident kevin picked it to my eye it was just like what the fuck is wrong with you well then even for him to say the next day he doesn't remember doing it but whatever it was like she probably deserved it or i think he said not that she probably deserved it but that he probably had a reason but then he went on to say something very strange about like if she had said something true like the fact that i have a small penis or something like that and i was like did he just admit having a small penis because that would explain a lot right but yeah that was really i mean he was wasted but it obviously was an action that also just represented how he feels about kate and what he was directing at her and that was just like aggression you know i did appreciate simone and riley sitting in the chairs watching everybody kind of unravel the way that they did and just sort of assessing the situation like talking to each other it was just like a great moment so i can imagine like you and i yeah like sitting in those days like look at these crazy people like we don't want to partake in the drama but we want to watch it exactly exactly so going into the reunion there's a couple things i'm very curious about the number one thing is courtney and brian like where do these two stand because they seem to kind of end things on a better note than they were earlier on this last episode but maybe it is also that like it's the final night like let's just appreciate the moment it could be a little bit of that a little bit like the honeymoon phase type of thing when you're ending something like that but also kate mentions that if she and tanner are ever in the same zip code again that they would probably have sex i'm not sad saying goodbye to tanner and i don't regret the fact that we never hooked up because if we ever are the same zip code it's like for sure so that was the case when they were here for the reunion did you ask her no i haven't talked to her yet so i'm curious to know if that will come out at the reunion or if i will just like get that information from her prior because i do remember going into the season she was like she said she was still in touch with tanner and courtney okay but i hope she didn't i don't like them together i don't think it's a matter of being together i think it's just sort of like at this point why not hook up because they've been talking about it for so long so like just get over with i just think like the way he was with simone he just really like now i think he's gross like i just found his whole vibe to be jiminy cricket i will kick him out of the studio there was one other phrase i kept coming up too what else it's like g golly or something in that vein of it's just i don't know why but it infuriates me yeah i do think his mom is really cute she's always so sweet i agree she has that little baby voice i love it i love her so when everyone's leaving the boat people are parting ways the last time one thing to note is that chef kevin does not say goodbye kate i mean i guess i'm not surprised like i'm just not surprised do you think it's more so that he couldn't face her like i don't know i just think that for him to be the one that showed aggression towards her by kicking the sand and the next morning just smiling as if nothing happened which i know he didn't remember i don't just the whole thing right i'm so ready for the reunion and i hope andy puts a lot of these men in their place i hope so too yeah if not the girls are all gonna be on one side and able to do it themselves i will say too about kevin as he posted a picture on instagram of himself naked because he's like getting naked in tonight's episode it's too late to thirst trap now okay we know who you really are but i do want to know what's gonna happen with kate because you know she's moving to new york it seems like that she really went through it this season yeah do you think she'll be back i mean listen she moved to new york she said she's ready for her next adventure maybe she'll just show up on real house in new york city okay can you imagine i mean i can't rose and thorn rose and thorn okay let's do rose and thorn so my rose is madison from below deck sailing yacht specifically the moment when she's talking about how she always gets drunk tattoos and how she she showed her inner lip and it says meow it says meow i don't even like cats we're drunk and i try to be like intelligent with my drunk tattoos how many drunk tattoos do you have five and i have two sober ones i'm kind of like responsible myself when i'm drunk so i'm like madison kid it somewhere no one's gonna be able to see it says meow i hate cats so good actually that moment made me feel better too because i have nine tattoos at this point and the first one i got was when i was 18 and there's been a couple since then that you know early on in life sounded like a good idea and looking back on it now it's not that i regret them but maybe i would have thought differently about them so i appreciate that she's just like very open and owns the fact that she has a lot of tattoos that she got when she was around yeah what was your rose i'm gonna give my rose to margaret and the dress that she wore to her party because i thought it was gorgeous like on top of the boob tape but then just like the way the dress was cut the shoulder things like that they were just so bold and just her hair i think she looked so fantastic i really love that look what's your thorn my thorn was the old man makeup that the guys wore on vanderpump rules on the bachelor party i don't know it just especially jack's just grossing out like he just looked old and sweaty and i couldn't agree more and what it made me think of which has always freaked me out is that f***ing six flags commercial and it's like the old dude like the idea of an old man but it's a young you know it's a young person there because the way they're dancing and just the whole thing is so nightmarish to me like a very bad like fever dream it's just awful so as soon as i saw them all dressed like that and then in character i was just like oh no this is not called for right it's very impressive work though the makeup and prosthetics i will say that much but absolutely not that will never be a theme of any of my parties yes what was your thorn my thorn is from below deck sailing yacht and it is pageant and sierra these two new people that we meet and they've been on the boat together for a while they're a couple yeah she was 15 when they met something is going on that just rubs me the wrong way what do you mean i don't know just like ew yeah i just i'm surprised that we have a couple that's already established coming into it and then they're going to be working both as on the deck we see relationships form over the these you know charter seasons and stuff but it's usually like summer fling type of relationships so this dynamic is going to be really interesting and there's just something about them that is just not rubbing me the right thing so next week we'll have interviews with reza farahan from shaw's of sunset and hannah burner and page disorbo from summer house also mark your calendars for this sunday february 9th starting at 1 p.m eastern 10 a.m pacific e hosts experts and special guests will get the party started with e countdown to the red carpet oscars 2020 then directly after at 5 p.m eastern 2 p.m pacific hosts 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