John Cena

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We have John Cena with us today. Actor, wrestler, humanitarian, good citizen of the world. And John and I are going to talk about a lot of really fun stuff today. We're going to discuss what it's like growing up in the Boston area with four brothers. We are going to decide my new wrestling character and realize that it's going to be incredibly successful.

We're going to talk about Little Brother, the movie that he's in and how much fun he had working on it. And we're going to discuss how dress and suits are important to him. And because of that, I'm going to, after this intro, go spiff myself up and make sure that I am looking good for the interview. But we always like to start these interviews by checking with someone who knows our guest, who wants to ask us a question, ask our guest and speak well behind their back. And we are talking to our first undisputed champion on the show, WWE Champion Cody Rhodes.

Cody is calling in on Zoom from a beautiful lake. And I just like that he's a champ. I love talking to champs. And let's see what Cody has to say about his buddy and at times enemy and always mentor John Cena. So Cody, are you there?

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Can you hear me? We can hear you. How are you? I'm good. I'm sorry if I was doing like the old people yelling, can you hear me?

I don't know how loud I am at the moment, but outside. Congratulations, champ. Nice to meet you. Yeah, very nice to meet you. I have to share this with you.

You might have heard this already, but where I teach wrestling, we use bowling for our votes as a part of the curriculum. No way. How do you use it? So it's a way what I suggest. I always ask everyone anyone ever seen the show, because it was a big fan of the show.

But I always ask if they have, and then they have to go home and watch that night. It's a way for young, the prospective wrestlers to understand that social media. If you scroll through 300 positive things, but then you find that one guy who's thought you were fat, there's no point. Go with it. Go with everybody else.

Go with it. People already had your back, you know, but we use that episode as brought up every camp. And most people know it too. So it's actually a lot of fun. Oh my God, that's so, that's so nice to hear.

I would never think to ask if anything from parks is used in any kind of curriculum. Oh, yeah. But you're right. I bet you have young people who are trying to figure out how to participate in feedback, which is really hard, especially for a young person to like not let that feel too personal. Well, particularly wrestling is brutal.

I feel like every funnel is one thing, but I feel like wrestling and Star Wars is the most divisive social I've ever seen. You can't just say you like a thing. Like a thing means you dislike something else. And it means war. Speaking of stories is really interesting.

I'm sure you've made this parallel before. All this like heroes journey stuff is in the stuff that you all do, the stories that you make in the ring. It is very similar, which is the rise and fall and betrayal and like trying to get, you know, like figure out who you are in real time. It there is a lot of Joseph Campbell parallels. Yeah.

I always tell people to hear his journey for me as a baby face and John is a lifelong baby face. Lot of betrayal. Lot of betrayal. It's every week is new betrayal. When you know a storyline is happening, when you know, for example, you're going to get betrayed, let's say by someone like John, do you guys look each other and go?

Yeah, or do you look each other and go, oh, I mean, you guys probably never make that sound. But I make that sound a lot internally throughout the course of the day. Because a lot of like, oh, you know, but with John, particularly when John, if you've ever seen at the moment where he hugs me and his face changes, then he was so excited. And I was more trepidacious in terms of he had never done that and it didn't even make sense to do it at this point. He had never gone, gone rogue, gone bad.

So I just didn't want to screw that massive moment up. Right. He taught me everything I know because I drove him around for two years before he got his big tour bus. John was such a fun riding partner. Oh, a lot of strict rules.

We do this little ritual stop where he had to load up a styrofoam cooler with an extra 24 beers in the back of the car. Just in case I've never seen anyone in terms of he was our top star and the lead baby face at the time, the lead good guy. And he was turned baby face. I'm obsessed with it. OK, yeah, he is.

He is the he was even after what he did to me. Hey, we're still fearing him and booing me. So it was like, all right. OK, thanks guys. John is pretty great at the magic.

And except for one area that is widely known to wrestling fans and wrestlers. John will not talk low or in Carney, as we would say, like if I need to tell you, Amy duck the clothesline, I'd say like this, you know, something we little car. It sounds like fake language like a pig Latin. It's like a big lad. He needs snoop talk, but John yells everything that's going to happen in the ring as loud as he can possibly yell it.

He calls it for the first four rows and interactive experience. God, this is so helpful because one of my questions is like, you know, is figuring out exactly how you all improvise because you're improvising a lot. Obviously, a lot is written and, and, you know, beat it out. But you're talking, you know, you're talking about really big physical things that you have to figure out how to signal to each other in safe ways, obviously. And that's really funny that screams it screams it.

And then there's a the last match I had with him at summer slam. He's about to slam me with his big finishing move, which is the attitude adjustment from a table to another table. So it's highly dangerous. It's going to hurt. We're going to do it the safest way we can, but you can hear him yelling at me.

Why I'm on his shoulders that he can't see because my arm is over his eyes. And I never spoke back to John. It was I never wanted to speak back. He's, you know, a mentor to me. And but it was one of those moments where I thought, buddy, I'm the one doing this.

I don't just throw me. Like I'm not worried about your, your screaming at the top of his lungs. I can't see. I really love your relationship. You guys have a very brotherly relationship.

Oh, good. Yeah. Well, I mean, I can't think of another guy who didn't need to take the time. He definitely didn't need to. He had he was the busiest guy on the roster.

He took the time. He I was a another term. I was he's not going to agree with this, but I was a job guy. What's that mean? I was laying on my back looking up at the lights every night.

I was the three second tan as John calls it, you know, um, and he still wanted to he had a belief in me. Oh, wow. You know, you can speak a little French too. Yeah, and Mandarin, right? Yeah, the Mandarin.

I can't. It's so annoying. I was just saying, like, it's so embarrassing. I can't speak another language and I don't need somebody to come in here and show an off the two that they can't speak. Yeah.

You know, it's like keep it to yourself. Not on your turf, you know, exactly. Not on your turf. We asked the people we speak to before, I guess, to give our guest a question. Is there anything big or small, um, dumb or serious that you think I should ask John about?

Or you'd want to know about him. Oh, man. What's he going to do with all this knowledge? Right. What is he going to do with it?

We don't have a book yet, right? There's no book. Does he plan to write a book? And what is he going to do with all this knowledge? And if he plans to do nothing, what was the point?

No, no. Perfect question. Perfect question. That's pretty good. But what's the point, right?

Like too short, you're not going to be speaking Mandarin. It totally speaks to the bigger thing, which is like, I want to know, like, when do we all get to rest? Yeah. When do you finally go down, John? When do you rest?

Yeah. What's the thing that's going to take you down? What new thing? So, yes, that's the thing. Something he's going to tackle.

He won't be able to do. You know, that's a really good question is what can you not do well? He'll give you some excuse my language. He'll give you some BS humble, humble answer. God, he sees so well.

He's so well put together. You got your hands full. No kidding. But you know, I do really well with these big guys. Oh, yeah.

I don't know what to tell you, but I just I really know how to handle them. I'm a huge fan of the show, so I know you do. Oh my God. Thank you so much. It means so much that you talked to us today.

And I know John will be so thrilled that we talked. And it's really nice to meet you. Very nice to meet you too. Have the best day. And thank you again.

If you need anything and anyone wants to reach out, I got I can talk about John for days. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time. Such a pleasure. Yes, ma'am.

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So hopefully it's a good one. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. It's so nice. A lot of fun conversations happen over wine. I want to talk to you about wine.

I know you love wine. Or you know a lot about it. I have had a lot of it. I've had a lot of it. But it is like that thing that you can just keep learning and learning and learning.

As with most things, you can get deeper in the rabbit hole. John Cena is here. I'm so excited that I put a suit jacket on for you. And it's time for you. And it can watch for you.

And a pop. Is that a personal pocket watch? Yes, I know that. Does it mean something? Of course it does.

I know about readers. Wait, let's put our readers on. Let me see yours. I will do the full presentation again. Start out as a michael.

There you are. Now that falls under some haberdashery. Thank you. Yeah. I like that you like to wear a suit.

I do. I do. I come. I think I've tried to reflect on this. I think it has to do with uniformity.

I do. So like there is the uniformity of knowing what you have, but then the freedom to do cool stuff within that. Yeah. You know, like not exactly base suit colors. So there's an aggressive stance with a pinstripe.

But it's still going to be like, OK, non-low cut waistcoat, two button coat. Everything fits. You get the made for you. And that's another thing, right? So like I used to hate suits because these be so uncomfortable.

Until people were like, no, no, we make it around you. And I'm like, say what? And then someone made me a suit. And I put it on. And I felt like a warm up suit.

Yeah. Are you the same, Jen, as me? Are you Jen X? Yes, I believe so. Yes.

So I feel like in our lifetime, we've watched clothing get just more and more and more casual. In our lifetime, I feel we have watched clothing get more efficient. Yeah. You know, this one suit is made stretch fabric. So you can run a mile in it and you never have to wash it.

Right. It's more of that. Yes. And this connects to kind of what I wanted to start talking about. Again, just my lens.

Yeah. But I think it connects to a bigger thing, which is there's something about the way in which you participate in what would almost be considered at times old fashioned things, which are professionalism, politeness, like wearing a suit, being like being able to be dependable, all those things sometimes feel like sadly that they feel sometimes old fashioned. My experience, I've got a chance to work with you and I had the pleasure to get to know you a little bit over the last couple of years. And like you're just such a professional, John, like you're such a hard worker. You do what you say you're going to do.

And even the suit like feels like a symbol of like, I'm taking this seriously, I guess. Where does that come from? Have you always had that? Have you always been that person? So there's a lot there.

Okay. There's a whole lot there. You got one. That's fine. I don't know how simple that simple.

Yes. You want to go to the gym simple, easy? I don't know. Right. Those things aren't easy.

Yeah. And you equate those things with success. Success is ambiguous. There is no one recipe for success. What I do is what I believe will get me the next opportunity, but I'm also wrong a lot of times.

Where do I get those things? Through wisdom and experience. If we were doing this interview in 2005, I would have an oversized sports jersey on. I would have a backwards Michelin-ness hat on. I would have come in with more diamonds than I've ever seen in my life where I need.

I would have been wearing a set of rebog pumps and a set of jorts. And I never would have broken the character of the Doctor of Fuckingonics. Yeah, you would have stayed there. Because that at the time I felt was my path to success. How did I get these things?

A good question. So I don't know how to succeed. I don't. I always try to put odds in my favor and I appreciate people's opportunity. I'm also not supposed to be here.

I'm a kid from West Newbury who didn't train for this. I didn't put any hours of improv classes like you. It's like a happy accident. All said, life hands people opportunity and hands people some bad cards. If you get an opportunity card, men try to work to make the most of it.

I am where I'm at because I know how to fail. And I talk to people about this a lot. I want to try to, I'm trying to expand on this idea to get it out to people. The things you do in life, I can guarantee you will fail if you are unreliable, unprofessional, uninvested and uncoachable. Those four things, and I don't mean like work.

I mean like life. It's so interesting to say that because sometimes when people ask about succeeding in the stuff, that I do, I always say something that feels like almost simple, but it's like just be fun to work with. And it falls under that category, which is when people want you around, you get more opportunity. Like the final product of what's going to happen in your life to your point about what you're going to be successful at, you never know. You don't even know if it's going to be what you want.

It always changes. But the experience, the way people feel around you, they remember. They remember, I liked working with that person. I had a good time. Or I liked seeing that person.

I liked being entertained by that person. I had a good interaction. Yeah. That doesn't necessarily guarantee success. I'm not saying that if you're coachable, professional, reliable and passionate, you will succeed.

Because there's still a level of magic dust and ambiguity and luck and things beyond our control. I can't tell you how to succeed. What I can do is if you are unprofessional, uncoachable, uninvested and unreliable, you will fail 100% guaranteed. I want to talk to you about your thoughts about winning and losing and about collaboration. And I feel like it goes back to probably the fact that you grew up in a family with four brothers, five boys.

Amazing. Yeah, that is a feat. Your mom. I mean, she had a albeit, she had probably a tough 30-year run. We got a chance to, so John and I got to work together a few different times in different ways.

And you told me a story about your brothers and you and crayons. Can you tell that story? Yeah, sure. So the house was wonderful and not too many safety guards. So if helicopter parenting is like constantly looking over your kid, my parents are submarine parents.

I'm trying to find an exact office. I think the only safety concern was at night, we do like a 10-in-10 inspection. We got 10 fingers, we got 10 toes, go to sleep. That was such a cool thing to have as a young person because we essentially could have an idea and do the idea. Amazing.

So because there were so many of us and my dad would work and my mom would stay home, we would just do stuff like in a box of 64 crayons. If one kid was behaving and coloring the lines, three other kids grabbed as many as they could and just ran on the walls and did whatever. Just to get this is great because at the time doing that as a kid, that is great. Yeah. But my poor mom would be like, oh, man, what a great...

I can't even imagine. And then a little while like laundry for an army is piling up and just like, oh my God, now I gotta feed everybody again. I just said you guys, three hours ago. Taking years off her life. But honestly, she had enough help climb for three decades and now all of us collectively as a group are like, man, we need to make sure she's doing all right always.

So these last four plus decades have been a different chapter of my mom's life and especially like the last 20 between all of us and her have been real special. I want to ask you about that because I know you've done some very special things for her, but growing up in Boston in the 80s, not like, you know, what were you guys... Was your family, you know, like, were you known as like the Cine Brothers? Oh my God. Yes, so...

And they all came, walked together. So this... I grew up in West Newberry. Yeah. I take Boston out of the equation.

That's what we all say, Boston. Yeah. Because anything around, no one cares. Right. So West Newberry is, if you keep going northeast of the state of Massachusetts to New Hampshire line, there's some old maritime towns that are quite beautiful.

Yeah. And inland, there's even smaller farming towns. Oh. And that's West Newberry, 1200 people. And in 1985, you're a neighbor is acres away and you got to ride bikes everywhere.

It was like, got out of a movie. Like, I was like goonies. Yeah. You know, you know? You know, it was a zenas.

And we could show up in a basketball game in a zoo because we brought the team. It was an incredible place to grow up. Yeah. And I'm so glad I didn't stay there because it is not a diverse look at the world. Right.

But man, what a cool place to grow up. Especially because when you're a young boy, like boys and boys are sometimes like dogs, you have to kind of like run them out. You have to run them. Yeah. They need like a yard and you should throw the ball.

And we had acres and like, we could go out in the forest and try to burn the forest down. Thank you, West Newberry, fire department. I can't really imagine. Or we could have like, pick up football games that would end in brawl for all. So parents just pull it up in their cars and whip it.

But it was great. And it was great. And did you learn how to like, how to lose a fight? Yeah. It is really like a man.

And any tips that I'm a diplomat, like you get your ass kicked a few times and you're like, yo, that sucks. Yeah. And what are some rules to lose a fight? Like what did you learn by losing a fight? Humility, embarrassment, physical harm.

And another thing is like winning a fight also sucks. It doesn't feel good. Yeah. Especially when you're like, man, we just fought over like who gets to play bases loaded next. Like what?

And that kids hurt. Right. So you get on both sides of that equation. Yeah. And I don't think people realize that, you know, and when we grew up.

In my high school, there was a fight every day after school. Yeah. And it was like, oh, who's going to fight today after school? And women too. It was common.

It was very common. In fact, when I went to college for a while, I would go to parties and I would just kind of stand there. It's like an episodic three o'clock high. Yes. And people would be like, what are you worried about?

I'm like, there's too many people here from different towns. Like this is going to go down. The different town thing. Different town. So much show up at your party from a different town.

Forget it. But as, you know, not to gender. The people can show up. Exactly. Yikes.

But do you have to like as a big guy growing up as a tough guy with brothers? Like, but also you felt like you were crazy. I wasn't as a chick on every day. Every day because I was a scrawny kid and dressing like MC Hammer. And they'll be able to vote.

It was like, if they'll be able to vote and MC Hammer ran into each other. Yeah. And you got picked up by your brothers or by people as well. No, by my peers. So it was a multi town high school with junior high is at one place and high school is at one place.

And Merrimax buses were here and Groven's buses were here in West Newbury's buses were here in West Newbury's buses. And, you know, I'm in high school and I'm in junior high. You have to, like, I see the walk down the sidewalk. As if it was yesterday I'm walking down the sidewalk and I'm passing the kids who are like 15, 16 who can't drive yet and still to go to the bus. And I'm the one S.O.B wearing like Rayon polkadots in, in an eighties rock country music combat boot denim, you know, mullets like you can paint the picture.

I stand out like a sore thumb and I was a easy target. And like a scrawny skinny kids. Even something simple is like, boom, down the hill, like oh, right. Shitty comment like that was on a daily. Yeah.

That was like the daily. That's trauma. That's dramatic, John. I appreciate you saying that. That is dramatic.

Life deals us all hills to cart. Yeah. I doubled down. It was a great experience for me. Here I sit, dressed loudly as myself.

Right, right. I don't have a stylist. I prefer to do these things without makeup, because I want people to see me as me. Now I understand this. If I'm creating a character, put as much shit on me as you want.

But this is me. And this is how I feel comfortable. And when those kids picked on me for how I dressed, I would go straight to Liberty Tree Mall and be like, what is worse than this? Yeah. I'm turning it up.

I got the Liberty Tree Mall. And then I found weights. So I didn't learn to fight. I wasn't like, yo, I got to learn to fight. I'm just going to project the art of the math isn't so much in your favor anymore.

And by the time I got over to the new building, I was 15. I've been working out for two and a half years. And I was stronger than it. So I was like, ah, I may get it. But if I catch a stray, I'm going to get my teeth knocked out.

So it hedged. Like it worked. So what's it like to go home to Boston? It's wonderful, actually. Yeah.

It's wonderful. It's wonderful. It's fun. Because the one thing I'll say, one of the things about Boston that's really lovely is your hometown really embraces you. If they feel like, if they have some pride in you, you really feel it when you go back.

Because people really feel like, hey, they share. Like, look, you always know from Boston, and it's how they feel. They tell you to your face. You're good. You're bad.

I like you. I don't like you. I'm scared they do. But they don't. I want to elaborate on that.

But you don't. Do you think I'm wrong that they're more passive aggressive? No. No. They'll tell you how they feel about you.

Right. They'll never tell you how they feel. Oh, no. Feelings? And that's why recently going home has been way better.

Yeah. Because my brothers are all hitting that late 40s approach in the half century now. And we all have wisdom of like, man, it's kind of a shitty mindset of somebody's like, hey, I was like, I was like, I was taking forever. Like that. Yeah.

But that's also West Newbury. Totally. And man, as beautiful as the landscape is, sometimes there's a lot more acres and sails over there. Yeah. And I love the pride.

You're right. Like when someone from a community makes it, the community has made it. That's right. I like that. That's right.

Because that's a win for everybody. Hopefully it gets everybody's spirits. Yeah. And I don't mind that. It's just sometimes hard to get anything real out of anybody.

Oh, babe. The idea of figuring out your feelings and saying them in real time, that was not what we grew up with. Yeah. I mean, I still kind of can't believe sometimes when people are able to locate their feeling and then say it. It's like, how did you do that?

Because it's a skill. It's a skill to figure out what you're actually feeling. Yeah. Feel it and then express it. That's like a lifetime of work.

And when you're around culturally, this thing and this feeling of just like, to your point, there's a lot of like, a lot of comedy. A lot of self-deprecation. And a lot of self-deprecation. And a lot of action. A lot of two in the gloom and pessimism.

A lot of pessimism. And a lot of action over words, right? So someone's not going to say necessarily say like, I love you, but they're going to like, fix your tires. Oh, that's the mask wall. Yeah.

Don't fucking broken down for it. Do you fucking it? Let me fix your tire. All right, get the fuck out of here. Fuck off.

Yeah. That's literally the way I say I'm like, oh man. Yeah. Tough day, right? Yeah.

Let me help you out here. Right. Everything goes better for you. But it's not that. It's not that.

Yeah. It's absolutely kidding. Fucking roof of house. I got up and fucking roofing. Two hours.

You told me a story though about, and I want to get to wrestling because I have so many questions about it. As a person who, the Bostonian and me had an early experience with it. But it's changed so much. We've kind of lived in the same world though. I know.

OK. Your mom, you bought her a house. My mom earned a castle. But that story is such a good story. You settled on a house.

OK, just tell a little bit of that story, how it went. If you don't mind. There's never any land for sale in West Newbury. And there came a large plot for sale in the height of development. And it was heavily overpriced.

I don't know if anyone was following the financial ticker. But something happened in 2008. And that's the person. You're a decision. Well, the culmination of all those good decisions happened.

And they stopped. They stopped for an machine of pain. The person who was selling the property came back and said, hey, we just want to recoup our engineering costs. We'll just still be interested. So a value opportunity came up of like, I don't need this.

But I have an idea of what I can do with it. And my brother Dan just so happened to be in really good graces and working for a contractor at the time. And he's one of the most respected individuals in our small building community. Met with him. And I kind of specked out like, what would this idea take in real time?

He's less than the cost of what they offered you to buy the place for. Like, you can do all this. He's like, I can't. So I'd like you to put your name on this place and make it something you're proud of. He's like, I still can do that.

OK, do it. And like a secret meeting like this. Oh, yeah. And it's like a lot of smoke. Everybody's scotch.

It was 8 AM. It was like, Dan, we're doing this. Don't fucking say it works. The story is, I'm moving back home. So building a house takes a long time.

And it's a beautiful plot on the hill where, like, from three towns over, you can see what's going on. So now we got a clear land and we're digging trenches and we're building this nice, beautiful New England home that exposes itself to the river. It's got viewpoints. Everything is settled for like, creatively. Everything's on the first floor.

And there are multiple floors, but everything you need to get in and out of the access is on the first floor. And everybody's watching the project. And everybody's like, when are you coming home? And everyone, you know, in the family is kind of excited. And meanwhile, I'm still in the residence happy in Florida.

So it finally gets done two years later. And it's around Thanksgiving, which is a great time in New England because everyone like comes home for Thanksgiving. And they go to the bars for Thanksgiving, or Thanksgiving football game. My mom's birthday is close to Thanksgiving. So we throw a Thanksgiving thing.

And it's not my mom's birthday. Everybody comes over because we're key in the door to the house for the first time. And the place still smells new. And taking everybody for a tour. And I'm bragging about like, ah, this is this.

And this thing. And I built a bar over the garage. Because I did one space for me. My mom doesn't like that. But she wanted to come see the whole house.

And when everybody gets in the bottom, I give my mom a birthday present. And it's the key to the house. And she lost it. Like she absolutely, she's like, I can't. I can't.

I'm not starting to take care of it. The movers are coming tomorrow. My mom was living in the third floor of like a triple family in an attic in 300 square feet with her stuff packed in. And she was just by herself packed in. And she was content and happy.

That's what my mom is. She's a lunch pail, blue, like she'd go to work. She wouldn't accept it. So then I had to negotiate. I had to be a diplomat of like, you don't understand.

There'll be trucks there tomorrow. Everyone's on board. We're going to move your stuff over. I'll tell you what, it's already here. This isn't for me.

Could you please at least give it a try? So all this doesn't go to waste. Well, if it's going to go to waste. And that was like 15 years ago. And she's been there ever since.

And now it's her place. And we get together there on holidays and it's her place. And that's what a son should do for his mother. Well, again, I, she earned it. It's such a beautiful story to John because you also included everybody in that surprise.

And you, I just think it's so indicative of how you're always kind of thinking about how can I extend my gratitude? You're such a generous, generous person. And we'll talk about that. But I'm after this, my parents are going to call me and say, well, I have to be honest. 100%.

Bill and I and me are going to be like, we're against the wall. We're going to go to the no space. We heard John on the podcast. And we're wondering why you haven't built this house. This episode is brought to you by Apple Watch.

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So we used to see Hulk Hogan. Where? Sergeant, I know you're going to ask me this. I forget. Maybe like the Worcester Central.

Or as we would say, Worcester. The Worcester Central. So it was Hulk Hogan, Sergeant Slaughter, the Iron Cheek. Yeah. High 80s, you know, very.

So here's a cool thing. There were a lot more performers on the card, but you remember, like, Americana patriotism. Totally. It was USA all the way. Yeah.

It was theophobic. All that. But that was it. Totally. That was the time.

And I remember watching it and being, like, in retrospect now, it was kind of like the closest we could get to Las Vegas or something. Like it was like how it felt like a high level, high energy performance. That's pretty, that's on the bullseye. Yeah. With audiences that were really, really invested.

And can you explain, wrestling to me feels like a combination of dance, choreography, writing, and story, and like magic that you will never know the secrets to. I'll take that. OK. Is that fair? I think that's very fair.

So when you are performing and you are in that arena, and the audience gets to interact with you, and you are, how much have you prepared for that day? Because the difference is like any other performance, there is such skill needed for the physical. I mean, like, search facility doesn't wing it. No. But there is a there's a amount of improv in wrestling that I noticed when I would see it and also in watching it now, that is I can't always tell how much is prepared, how much is actually prepared and rehearsed.

It depends. It completely depends on the performance. OK. Yes. It's someone to do that.

Some don't. Some. What do you like to do? I like to be an improvisational performer. Right.

But that is not I don't go out and wing it. Right. I prepare. Right. Ass off.

Right. So I start with the creative part. What is the story? Yeah. So if we're fighting over the fact that you stole 10 grand for me.

Right. Everything I do is going to relate back to your theft. And everything you do is going to defend that you never took. And the thing that WWE is different than SNL, that is different than Sketch, the audience is the act. Not observing the act.

The audience is the act. So as a performer, the way I approach it is, OK, I have 25 minutes. We have a match together. And we've been telling the story of you've stolen something from me. $10,000.

For three weeks. That's a lot of money. You needed it for your. I was going to pay off my mom's house. And you took that away from me.

And now she can't get in. And now she's convicted. Yep. Just by you. You've got to do about it.

You've kicked my mom out of her house. Yeah. It was so good. You did that. Yeah.

And I almost. This is the last payment. Yeah. You know, I've got the keys and I'm just swinging them right in front of you. Yeah.

So now you being a creative mind, we could have that wrestling match right now. Right. Give us 25 minutes. I'll take 35. OK, I love that.

And then you're right. So the all the moves are kind of connected to that. Right. Like everything goes back to that theme. And here's where it gets very interesting.

If the story dictates in this match, it dictates. You stolen something from me. We're going to ring the bell. I'm going to show that I'm more skilled and I've earned this the right to make this payment. You're going to cheat just like you stole.

And be like, no, I'm better. Right. And then there's going to come a point in the story where the crowd is like, would you do something? It's the typical hulk up. Yeah.

It's called the comeback. So what I do is we have our why. What we need to really rehearse is from the comeback to the finish. OK. And that's usually the last.

I see. We need to rehearse the physical part of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

The third act needs to be ad nauseum. You need to have it. Right. Because you are doing dangerous things. You are doing dangerous things.

There's a fundamental trust between performers that you know, ex-skill, I know ex-skill. And the conversation we can have before is, do you do anything specific that's outside of the fundamentals that I should know about? Right. And the person who leads gets all that information and stores all these things in their card catalog. The third act needs to be prepared because it can also change.

Right. Basically, you use the first two acts to go out and improvise. Right. And if we get out there in the Worcester Center, which I believe to be a rowdy crowd, but slightly different than Boston and Hartford, but they change. And they're like, we're for you.

Right. OK. We don't want that mom to have her house. But keep in mind, we need to be the Worcester Center. We need to gear for that moment where they're like, John, do something.

Right. So immediately, a piece of line that I would throw in the wall is punching in the face. And they might cheer. You would say that to me, punching in the face? I would say immediately.

Punch it whenever we had planned, if we talked about something. And they came out and were like, yeah, I hate me. I'm like punching in the face now. Or like, I'll go out and turn my shoulder to the crowd as if I'm confusing. When I come back, hit me in the face.

Bam. So we did two things there. You threw the first punch, which is not fair. It's not virtuous. Right there.

And you did it when I wasn't looking. Right. So they see subconscious things of like, they're for Amy, but this is my moment. Bam. Oh, geez, get on me.

Come here. And then I would have you just beat the target. And they might like that. And then I would just have you lean into that where it becomes like, oh, man, it's like watching a bad fight. And then I would just listen to be like, well, come on, do something.

Do something. No, screw you. Do something. OK, duck. Here we go.

And then we go into it. Now we have now the audience is working with us rather than against us. But there have been instances where the people behind the curtain will tell the ref to tell you like, switch the finish. So we decided that the other person is going to win. So if you're super prepared, you can change things and change in real time.

No, keep in mind, as I'm saying, when I turn around, punch me in the face, I'm listening to the crowd. I'm hoping you're going to be there. I'm also listening to my ref. So sorry. I thought that was real.

No, it's fake. So real ruse. Anyway, I have the ref being like, you're 17 minutes left. You have 16 minutes left. So like, it's all happening in real time.

And there are coaches watching you from behind a curtain that will tell the ref what they think you should do. Right. Oh, you're getting notes. You're getting notes in real time. Real time.

But that's why live TV is so great. That's why I wanted to do it forever. And I just physically, I can't do it anymore. But that's why everyone says like, what are you like more wrestling? Yeah.

That's why I got run out of Hollywood the first time. You talked about that. I love what you said, which is like, um, look at what we just talked about. That's great. Right.

Like the moment. The moment. The crowd that the noise and when you get like when you get fluent at it, you're like, Oh, I kind of understand this. I'll do this. And then the challenge becomes like, Oh, man, the UK crowd is throwing a beach ball around.

How do I work that into the act? Go on, get that thing and pop it and come back. When you come back, I'm going to give you my finish real time. This is how people get married, how people start fights and stands and we work it all into the act. That's amazing.

Just because you were prepared. It's the opposite of like doing stand up and not wanting a heckler basis. You want that feeling that people are listening and participating. Here's the thing. It's not that we want it.

It's just it is it is. It is stand up to kind of protocol is like, enjoy the comedy. Don't heckle. Yeah. Here.

It's like you have paid your money to heckle. Yeah. And there's 12,000 of you. All right. Good luck.

And you can heckle on mass. Yeah. Chance start out there to hot for TV that Netflix is turning us off and turning us off. It's like the audio goes out. Like it's it's crazy and you can't the more you try to be like calm down everybody.

Yeah, of course. You don't want to be a calm down character. You're working with that. That would be my character. Part of the art.

I would be like, you guys, calm down. Stop. I'd be like, hi, it's so loud. I think my thing because it's so late. Or a Massachusetts.

It's so late. So loud. I don't know why are we fighting? Why are we fighting? This is crazy.

That would be my character. I do that. Let's take a nap. Do you get that off in the distance? It's the money printing machine.

Take a nap. Oh, man. Calm down shirts. We still can't look tea. Oh, that's actually great.

That's actually great. I hear the book. I hear the book. I hear the book. I hear the book.

I hear the book. I hear the book. Shh. And all my moves are like, should just be like, quiet. Just, okay.

Like I just snap and they go down. Just be quiet. Quiet. Come on. Everybody brings their blankets in.

They're like, shh. Should we come down? What's that big foam hands? Wait. Calm down Amy.

One when the entire place is quiet. CDA. Calm down Amy. CDA is instead of CBD oil. It's CDA.

We'll get you that. Get that brand partnership working. They'll be watching it. Yeah, they're on something. Get the CDA.

I love what you said in your transition acting is that it was confusing to not have the show. You know, like the super long hours, lots of waiting around for your time. It's a good mindset. Totally. And you spoke about how in the beginning it was really confusing.

As a young 20 something. Yeah. I want it to be there. I want to go to the bar afterwards. Yeah.

Right. And then do it in the next time. Right. In the next time. Right.

In the next time. It's the best. Right. Because then you're like, whizzing to be like, another performance in 24 hours. What do I do?

Yeah. It's the best. Yeah. And I just hold it. And I just hold it back when you're shooting of, I mean, you do from the director.

It's different. It's a different mindset. Yeah. And it took me appreciation of the mindset to really apply. Yeah.

And people like you to bet on me and know that like, oh man, I'm getting an opportunity here. What can I do? Show up early and fucking be prepared. Yeah. Ready to go.

I mean, OK, so we worked together in a movie called Sisters. Me and Tina, the great Paula Powell. And it was so fun. Tons of comedians. Great cast.

Great cast. I was so fun to work with you. And you and Paula Powell fell in love. You know, she just did. And I mean, to me, if you conversations over one, you and Paula had a few.

What did you guys do? You guys hung out and drank wine? A lot. What's I mean, what's so great about Paula? What do you learn about her?

I like her perspective. I love her courage. Man, like I just like that energy. Yeah. Like I get it.

I say anchors and sales. She's a sale. Yeah. You know, like always curious, always creative off the wall. Yeah.

I just know I know any idea is going to have like that whimsy, that magic in it. Yeah. And I want to be with those people. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you really were you a big comedy fan growing up? You've done a lot. What were you watching? What were you watching?

What were you watching? At a young age, I was watching stuff I shouldn't be watching. So my dad was the only person in my only mailing doing limited care for sports, not kidding. Like we never grew up at the Red Sox. That's all happened when I got to junior high.

Right. And I had to fall in the peer group. So like I got to start caring about sports. Right. My dad liked old 80s titty comedies and pro wrestling.

Like Benny Hill, he loved the song watching. Benny Hill, my people don't understand how important Benny Hill was. I mean, unless you're my dad. It's and now you're watching out and you're like, Jesus Christ, this is a terrible show. Like Benny Hill is a tough enough predator.

It's just an age. Well, but at the time, I remember being a little kid being like, what? A lady standing behind a bunch of melons and Benny Hill's like, like a cartoon character trying to grab music and it was like, what, what is this? Like and so in our psyche, Benny Hill. Yeah, the chase with the music is becoming me.

You don't have to do the Benny Hill style. We do chase the music and it's a me. And did they watch like Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, Caddy Shack, anything Rodney did. Yeah. I mean, you name it.

I mean, all those comedies we talked about Mr. Mom, like it just eighties, comics. Yes. My dad would literally fast forward through the romance. I'm like the roundhouse.

Got to the jokes, but they were great. Yeah, but dude, some of them, like you go back and you're like, oh, my God, porkies like porkies was like she that was on. That was on the wrong time. When you were a young woman watching porkies, it was not good. So John, it really fucked.

It really fucked with our heads. I can't because it was like what is going on? It's like, like there was so much like, you know, I remember watching weird science being like, incredible movie and then a couple of years, I were like, two teenage boys create a sex robot. It's Kelly Lebrock and they're like, come, sex her, but come meet our friends. And I'm like, that did that does fuck you.

It does. We we saw it. I'm sure this has happened where you look at it. And you're like, this is hilarious comedy. And then you're like, oops, there's a lot of that.

But you have, like you have a real knack and love, I think, for comedy, especially, but you do all different kinds of acting. What do you, what do you, like, what's your relationship to acting right now? Like, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, it's retired. I'm retired physical performer. We'll see.

No, no, no. No. Okay. So I have stated that speaking in absolutes is impossible. Yeah.

I also use the term, it would be financial suicide for someone to be like, here's what it's going to take. And I'm like, you did it. I'm a liar. Financial suicide. You know that, Judge Judy, Judge Judy, negotiate her contracts.

She slides over a number. That is. So she's such a G. She's such a G. And then she goes, and if you don't want me to do it, guess what?

Guess what? I got, I'm good. I got a, I got three 15. It's three or seven. She's like, she slides, she slides and they look and then they go welcome back or whatever.

Um, so never performing for the league. Okay, I got it. Got it. And there's, there's multi-tears to that. I, I need to stop because physically I want to be, I want to enjoy a long, good life.

I don't want to have a bunch of crusty years and punch in my body. The math is in my favor for the good years. What is the part of your body that barks the most when it's low back? But so, so I'm a male and I'm a human at 50. That's everyone.

Yeah. Aside from that, I did really good. That's great. She did like Pilates and yoga and like stretchy stuff. Yeah.

And I hate it. And I do it a lot all the time. Can you touch your toes? I can. Maybe you touch my toes.

I can't. I'm afraid. The suit is tough. Oh my God, John is doing it. He's touching his toes.

I actually can't bend farther than the suit. Whoa! Yeah. But yeah. That's really good, John.

I can go hands far on the floor. That's my stretch. Hands far on the floor. That's my stretch every day in the shower. And if you walk in, I'm going to be taking a shower.

You'll see me in a different POV. I can do hands flat. Man, I was really flat. It's just all the funky bits. Spread open.

That is it. Every morning, full spread. Start with that full spread. Man, I was, I was really hoping that you would be not flexible. Because- No, because that's, I have to wear that.

We have to work at it. That's incredible. I want to move around. Yeah. So I can talk about it or do it.

OK. So sucks. I hate it. Then I do it. Oh, God.

I'm not. You're good at doing things you don't like to do. But I like to do them, because I like when it yields. Yeah. And forest austerities are a luxury, because life gives you stuff that you really don't want to do that you didn't get to choose.

And a lot of times the chews. Like, I want to do this. Or I'm going to be good at this. All right. It's going to be a lot of things that are going to be tough.

Yeah. OK. So I'll fucking stretch more. You see this. You got to.

I know. I mean, it's just a crusty rubber band. So you got to make sure you don't only get too weird. Oh, God. OK.

So physically good. So you're physically good and you're feeling good. And your relationship to acting now feels like, what have you learned about yourself as you've become, as you've acted more and more? What have I learned? Yeah.

Acting and wrestling is the same. The same. Interesting. I don't run the company, so I don't control who wins and loses. Right.

I get a chance to make choices within my story, but I can't change the finish. I should be prepared. I should hit my time. I shouldn't ask for more than I'm given, and I should be grateful what I have. If you do good work and you are professional, it increases the math that people call me back.

Right. And also, I got to say, John, you're such a softie. You're really, really, I talked about it earlier. You're such a generous person. You're the person that's given the most.

You've fulfilled more make a wish, wishes than any celebrity over 650 at this point. You do incredible amount of charity work. I know that about you. Giving that amount of time to people is expensive. It's a lot of energy.

And even that sometimes, I'm sure you walk away feeling like I wish I could have given more. How do you kind of go when you approach people who are sick and ill? Because a lot of people are very scared of reaching out when people are in a tough place. You know what I'm talking about? It's not easy to be around, especially young people.

Who are having perhaps like, or perhaps close to the end of their lives. Remember your why? Why am I there? Am I there to be scared? Right.

Am I there to be sad? No. I am there to be the hope. And that is my why. And now I'm retired.

People like Cody, people like Rhea, people like Roman, it's their time to be the hope. You know what I'm saying? Those experiences renew my faith in humanity. They give me gratitude for life. I'm so grateful for the people I've met.

Yeah. Like, and man, when people are just raw, emotionally excited, you see it? It's real. I like what I'm learning about you. John is like, you're chasing emotion.

Like, you're looking for it. You like want to have a real connection. Do we all? No. I disagree.

Well, I mean, I guess. I mean, I guess we do. But yes, we do at the end. There's no 100% certainly anything. No, I mean, that's a simple answer.

I guess it's just that people don't make it a priority, right? Like, they might want it, but they, but it feels like you prioritize connection. That's what matters. I'm just saying like, I'm just trying to do me the best. The best I can.

You won't take a compliment. We won't take a fucking couple of days. I will say at this moment in life, you know, I'm going to take a picture. Swing them around in the ring and I'm going to give you a compliment before the finish. Now everybody calm down and get quiet so I can compliment you.

And now take it out. CDA. It's too late. OK. And so the other thing is you brought a Cody.

Yeah. So we do a thing on the podcast where we chalk to someone who knows our guest. I did this for Idris. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's where I gave you the mythology behind that bottle of wine.

You've pounded during the show. Oh my God. And forgot that I did your show. Yes. Yes.

I remember you did it. What was the mythology? What is the? I told you next time I see you bring you bottle of wine. We should let you know.

We forgot that way. I wouldn't have had to carry that in my bag. No, I think. OK, thank you for doing that for Idris. And it's Idris.

I know. And Cody talked to us today. I'm so glad you talked to him. Cody wrote first of all, because I will say not a lot of wrestlers on good hang. Try you try to have a diverse portfolio of people in a little payment space.

Not a lot of WWE superstars. Oh, good hang. Think I might be number one. Yeah. Well, we've got two today's.

It's right. See, there we go. Shill out. We've reached our goal. This is a great day.

You've increased your population by 100%. You're right. And I do want to talk to more wrestlers. You know, that's why I started the podcast. You will.

I'd go. Like we got to get the number that guy. This will have to be crazy. But you know, I love talking to Cody and that's good. Well, first of all, I found out that the term baby face, which yeah, absolutely love.

And heal to heal. Would I be considered a baby face? So this is another thing. It's kind of it's kind of ambiguous. If you went out and tried to be liked, you would be a heel.

I think if you went out on yourself, maybe face more, maybe face. And then do women get different terms in wrestling? Do they know the terms of universal? OK, love that. OK, and it was really fun to talk about him noticing how much you not only care about your own work and pay attention to the good work of others, but that you're kind of constantly learning new things.

I mean, you taught your you learn, you know Mandarin. Little bit. You know French. I hear OK, congrats. So like that's like, you know, math.

I know a little bit of math. I don't know all of math. Like I know, I know. I know. Could you speak?

Could you order in a restaurant in both those languages? Yes. Congrats. Great. Well, Cody was like, what are you Cody's question is such a brotherly question?

It's like, what are you going to do with all this knowledge? He was like, write a book. And if you don't write a book, what's the point of it all? And then he was like, why can you not do well? But Cody was really funny.

His question was really this search for knowledge and get it. Like you really want to know things. What do you what? What's what's behind that search? What's behind like the drive for those things?

Am I honoring life correctly? Yeah, but why do you worry that you're not? Because look, I look, yeah. Yeah. Like, am I doing enough?

Am I doing enough? If I'm not moving forward, I'm not honoring the luck. I talk about like earning the sunset. I'm being on like honoring the luck. This is not in my control.

This is like the weird mystical piece of the universe from who I am. When I was born, where I was born, the opportunities I've been had that are beyond my control, just go like hell and try to honor the luck. It's what I do alone to focus, stay committed, do something hard, feel good about myself. Like it is mine. But when you go to my wrestling matches, you're going to be encouraged to just take a break, calm down and take an out.

Just you got it. You are. You want to talk about it? I do think productivity is a crazy. You know, it can be a curse.

We need money on the table. OK, we got a little quick lighting round. Here we go. What are you reading? Right now, a mania's crisis and crashes.

Eight edition. What's that? It is a history of market mania's crashes and bubbles. Uh huh. OK, great.

I just want to know about it. You want to know about it. OK, it's a tough book to read. Yeah. That's the crisis.

It's like a double work. Yes. OK, I'll donate. An album that you're into right now that you've been listening to or new. I'm rocking to some cocktail jazz because I want to try to learn how to play it.

But when I'm alone, blues, like a John Lee Hooker, Howling Wolf blues. OK, a fun movie you've seen recently or like a or a comfort movie, like one that's on if you see it, you're just like, I want to watch it. Just watch the one Michael's documentary. Oh, yeah. Loved it.

Loved it. Like reminds me a lot of what we do. And man, when I walked to Howard Hall's Saturday Night Live, like as a single serving guest, the amount of respect I have for everyone and then him seeing seeing that it was awesome. It was awesome. John, the thing about wrestling.

You know, you've made it when everyone has an impression of you. Totally. He is what an amazing person when I was wrestling in Canada. OK, are you are you watching anything fun? We just got through four seasons.

This is going to be taped. We're taping it on Will Fortains birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday in Hale will.

That's Tina Fey's Tina's four seasons. Great. Second season. We just got through the second season with that. Fantastic.

Yeah. So that's that. And then you're in the new movie, Little Brother with Eric Andre. Congratulations on that. And what was it like working on that in the experience of working on it?

It is an eccentric physical comedian. He is awesome. I got to say, I've always been impressed by what he can do. Yeah. Give give someone the chance to show what they can do.

And you set yourself up to be surprised. Yeah. He crushed. Yeah. And not only I read the script and it came from him and I'm like, do this is your vehicle.

I will gladly do this because you're going to shine. There's also parts in there that are really heartfelt. And he crushed those as well. Yeah. And like what a moment.

I think it's going to be a great movie. It's going to be a great movie for you. I'm Netflix. I'm very happy to be a part of it. I got to a comedy where you know what comedies are like laughing all the time.

Well, this is my last question, which is like, what I know you love to laugh. And you love comedy. What are you what's making you laugh right now? Like what do you could be anything? Yeah.

Like is there a video of a scene from a what's something that you like? You never know. I think, OK, X makes me laugh. Yeah. I rule out everything else.

A lot of it is me, like the jokes on me. Uh huh. Right. Being self like, yeah, allowing yourself to be a soundboard for humor, not only like ease of the tension. Yeah.

I don't know what it can lead to. Right. A lot of it is like the big bullseye in the future pinstripe. Right. So if you open that door, it's kind of cool.

And then it gets like, you know, I'd be too crazy because sometimes ball busting can be bullying. You always want to, you know, cool, cool. That's easy. You can a little bit of teasing is like, you just like, hey, look at me. I'm such an idiot.

Yeah. And then like, hey, let's talk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

See, you're trying to get connection there. You're back to connection. Laugh your house connection, doesn't it? If we're laughing about something, we're talking about something. It's so true.

So folks are going to love their brother and laugh. They're going to wake up next morning and be like, what's your favorite part? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome.

Well, Cina, I love such a good hang. I love seeing you. You're so fun to talk to and fun to work with and such a considerate. Nice person. Thanks for doing this pod.

Thanks for the gun words. I probably will never wear a tie again for anybody. But you know, well, we literally just ran out and got it across the street. You look great. Thanks.

And you just put this together. Like a lot of those just put together looks are really trying hard. Well, I realized half of the throws like he's going to show up in a suit. I'm like, we got, we got, we got to get our shit together. We got to go.

You have to sit on paper splice. Back the hatches. It's great. Thank you so much for doing it. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you so much, John Cena. It was so fun having you here. And I can't wait to take this tie off. You get ready.

Get back to my regular. Sticking it to the man. But no, it was so fun talking to you and such a pleasure always to hear your perspective and POV. And for this polar plunge as we wrap up, you know, we talked about John and I talked a lot about comedies, 80s comedies, those like big, dumb, funny things that we grew up on. And speaking of big, dumb and funny, I just want to remind everybody that wet hot American summer, a film I did 25 years ago is celebrating its 25th year.

And there's going to be a million different ways to go back and watch what is really genuinely a funny, dumb movie with a lot of cast members who are at the beginning of their careers. So check that out if you can and check out John Cena's new movie, a little brother and continue to support the arts and wrestling because if we learn one thing, they are the same thing. Bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for the show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weisperman, and me, Amy Poehler.

The show is produced by the Ringer and Paper Kite for the Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelain, Kia McMullen, and Elia Zeniris for Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weisperman, original music by Amy Miles. This episode is brought to you by Wild Horse Nine, only in theaters November 6, earning rave reviews at the Toronto International Film Festival. Don't miss this wildly entertaining movie that critics are calling easily one of the best films of the year. Starring John Elkovich, Sam Rockwell, Steve Buscemi, Parker Posey, and Tom Weitz, and written and directed by Academy Award winner Martin McDonough, C. Wild Horse Nine, only in theaters November 6.

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