John Sargent on beating Amazon & Google, and saving Books

John Sargent was too young to fight in WW ll but he spent years battling Amazon and Google in the trenches on behalf of publishers and authors, protecting copyright and defending book prices. John grew up on a cattle ranch in Wyoming. Over forty years he worked at six publishing companies, including Simon & Schuster where he was the publisher of the Children's Division, and Dorling Kindersley where he was CEO. For the last half of his career he was the CEO of Macmillan. He's the author of three children's books and is currently chairman of The Ocean Conservancy. We met via Zoom to talk about some of the fights he's had over the years and other stories presented in his new memoir entitled Turning Pages, The Adventures and Misadventures of a Publisher. We also talk about crying and bravery, McDonald's, Monika Lewinsky, George Bush Sr., suicide, Donald Trump, fucking sea urchins, and more.