John Sutherland: It's People Stupid. Leadership, Trauma and the Gift of Writing

What does it take to survive 25 years on the front line of British policing and come out the other side as a Sunday Times bestselling author? In this episode of The Conversation, Nadine Matheson sits down with John Sutherland, former Metropolitan Police Commander, hostage negotiator, mental health advocate, and author of the acclaimed crime fiction trilogy featuring detectives Alex Lewis and Pip Williams.John opens up about the nervous breakdown that ended his policing career and became the catalyst for his writing, the staggering frequency of trauma that police officers face compared to the general public, and why "it's people, stupid" is the most important lesson leadership ever taught him.They also get into the making of his latest novel The Castle , a life-or-death chase thriller set in the Scottish Highlands Join Nadine and John as they explore the intersection of crime, storytelling, and the human experience, reminding us that we are all more than the worst thing we've done.Follow John SutherlandBuy The CastlePre- Order 'The Shadow Carver' PbBuy me a cup of coffee ☕️ | Buy books by my guestsFollow Me Bluesky | Substack | Instagram | Facebook | Threads Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.