EPISODE · Apr 2, 2021 · 2H 15M
Jonathan Pageau: Why Metaphor Is More Real Than the Literal
from Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal · host Theories of Everything
I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Jonathan Pageau explores the symbolism of traditional Christian iconography and its relation to modern and contemporary art. He critiques modern art movements, links art to cultural narratives, and examines their intersection with theology and society.0:00 Intro2:10 Artistry of symbolism3:32 History of an artist / transition to contemporary art6:36 Traditional view of art as a tool8:46 Finding personal style in contemporary era12:14 Is it art? Purpose and meaning15:11 Modern art as destabilization19:11 Contemporary art as parody of modernism21:33 Propaganda of Social Realism23:37 Social Realism in media25:36 Destruction of symbols reshaping culture26:49 Modern propaganda and upside-down fairy‑tale30:30 Miyazaki and feminine symbolism33:46 Lord of the Rings: technological power dynamic39:51 Taking in things to make us whole44:23 Weight of the Ring47:23 Little Mermaid: transition of worlds53:31 Living in the moment: nihilism54:51 Cain and Abel: sin of pride1:00 23 Social and content revolutions1:03 37 Society of excess1:07 46 Becoming an anchor: truth, justice, civility1:10 17 Fixing problems from the ground up, ecological issue1:12 38 Christian story as a way out1:15 29 Finding meaning in religion for art1:20 01 Iconography and life’s patterns1:23 34 Symbolism and life’s meanings1:25 48 Islam and religious expansion1:29 15 Lenses we see the world through, Identification Theory1:35 01 Pattern of being and reality1:37 31 Desires pulling away from center, right‑ and left‑hand sins1:41 20 Knowing one’s center1:42 21 Seeing films through a lens, Shazam thought experiment1:46 57 Overreading art, Hollywood narrative patterns1:51 05 Personal bias in film, pattern vs counter‑pattern1:52 51 Introverted vs extroverted art1:57 08 Narrative morality, scales of good and bad1:59 25 Framing of Christ2:01 55 Film framing and narrative tropes2:04 52 Hollywood problem, entertainment culture issue2:06 35 When the left goes too far? Exceptions in the worldRESOURCES:- YouTube: https://youtu.be/6umrrokgeG4- Jonathan's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/pageaujonathan- Better Left Unsaid [Documentary]: http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com- Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE- PayPal: https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Google Podcasts: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Id3k7k7mfzahfx2fjqmw3vufb44- Discord Invite Code (as of Mar 04 2021): dmGgQ2dRzS- r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Jonathan Pageau explores the symbolism of traditional Christian iconography and its relation to modern and contemporary art. He critiques modern art movements, links art to cultural narratives, and examines their intersection with theology and society.0:00 Intro2:10 Artistry of symbolism3:32 History of an artist / transition to contemporary art6:36 Traditional view of art as a tool8:46 Finding personal style in contemporary era12:14 Is it art? Purpose and meaning15:11 Modern art as destabilization19:11 Contemporary art as parody of modernism21:33 Propaganda of Social Realism23:37 Social Realism in media25:36 Destruction of symbols reshaping culture26:49 Modern propaganda and upside-down fairy‑tale30:30 Miyazaki and feminine symbolism33:46 Lord of the Rings: technological power dynamic39:51 Taking in things to make us whole44:23 Weight of the Ring47:23 Little Mermaid: transition of worlds53:31 Living in the moment: nihilism54:51 Cain and Abel: sin of pride1:00 23 Social and content revolutions1:03 37 Society of excess1:07 46 Becoming an anchor: truth, justice, civility1:10 17 Fixing problems from the ground up, ecological issue1:12 38 Christian story as a way out1:15 29 Finding meaning in religion for art1:20 01 Iconography and life’s patterns1:23 34 Symbolism and life’s meanings1:25 48 Islam and religious expansion1:29 15 Lenses we see the world through, Identification Theory1:35 01 Pattern of being and reality1:37 31 Desires pulling away from center, right‑ and left‑hand sins1:41 20 Knowing one’s center1:42 21 Seeing films through a lens, Shazam thought experiment1:46 57 Overreading art, Hollywood narrative patterns1:51 05 Personal bias in film, pattern vs counter‑pattern1:52 51 Introverted vs extroverted art1:57 08 Narrative morality, scales of good and bad1:59 25 Framing of Christ2:01 55 Film framing and narrative tropes2:04 52 Hollywood problem, entertainment culture issue2:06 35 When the left goes too far? Exceptions in the worldRESOURCES:- YouTube: https://youtu.be/6umrrokgeG4- Jonathan's channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/pageaujonathan- Better Left Unsaid [Documentary]: http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com- Patreon for conversations on Theories of Everything, Consciousness, Free Will, and God: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE- PayPal: https://bit.ly/2EOR0M4- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Google Podcasts: https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Id3k7k7mfzahfx2fjqmw3vufb44- Discord Invite Code (as of Mar 04 2021): dmGgQ2dRzS- r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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