Joscha Bach and Karl Friston: What Happens When the Self Dissolves?

Karl Friston, Joscha Bach, and Curt Jaimungal explore death, AI models of the brain, God, and the nature of consciousness. They debate self‑organization, overlapping realities, and the future of substrate‑agnostic intelligence.0:00 Introduction1:47 New paper discussion9:13 Sentience vs consciousness vs self21:00 Self‑organization and self‑evidencing29:02 Overlapping realities as art41:05 Mortal computation and substrate‑agnostic AI56:38 Beyond von Neumann architectures1:00:23 AI surpassing human researchers1:20:34 Exploring vs exploiting (curiosity risk)1:27:02 Incompleteness and interdependence1:32:25 Defining consciousness1:53:36 Multiple overlapping consciousnesses2:03:03 Unified experience & schizophrenia insights2:10:16 Psychedelic experiences2:22:20 Institutional rot in science2:23:31 OpenAI CEO controversy2:32:22 Existential crises in consciousness research2:35:06 Podcast wrap‑upSPONSORS:- HelloFresh: Go to https://HelloFresh.com/theoriesofever... and use code theoriesofeverythingfree for FREE breakfast for life!- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad‑free audio episodes!)- Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- Mortal Computation, a Foundation for Biomimetic Intelligence (Karl Friston): https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.09589- A Path to Generative Artificial Selves (Joscha Bach and Liane Gabora): https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/y3tzs- Podcast w/ Joshua on TOE (solo): https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & John Vervaeke on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach & Donald Hoffman on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww- Podcast w/ Karl Friston solo on TOE: https://youtu.be/SWtFU1Lit3M- Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw- Podcast w/ Karl Friston & Anna Lemke on TOE: COMING- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc- I Am a Strange Loop (Douglas Hofstadter): https://amzn.to/3GGqjpM Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices