Joseph Kahn: Blank Space, Say My Name, and the Man Behind the GlamBot

He's directed somewhere between 170 and 500 music videos — even he's not entirely sure of the number. Eminem's "Without Me." Britney's "Toxic." Eight videos with Taylor Swift, including "Blank Space," which he says he built as a five-years-later act of revenge on her behalf. Destiny's Child's "Say My Name," shot on five days with no sleep. Wu-Tang's "Gravel Pit." Muse's "Knights of Cydonia." Feature films, including Torque, Detention, and Bodied. In this episode, Maui and Carla sit down with director Joseph Kahn for a rare, unguarded conversation about the mechanics behind a 35-year career — the industrial rock roots hiding underneath his glossiest pop videos, the accidental invention of vertical video composition years before anyone called it that, and the real story of watching Kanye West interrupt a 19-year-old Taylor Swift on a VMA stage and deciding, right then, to eventually do something about it. Plus: who actually invented the GlamBot, why he thinks the era of the mega-budget music video might be over for good, and the one editing signature he says would give him away in a lineup of fifty unmarked videos.