Judy Hatswell: The Art of Leadership, Choice Theory and Internal Psychology: What Great Principals Know About Themselves

What makes a great leader and where does that greatness actually come from?In this milestone episode, Drew Janetzki sits down with Judy Hatswell  teacher, registered psychologist, leadership consultant, and co-architect of the Art of Leadership program. For 14 years, Judy has stood in front of NSW primary school principals and helped them do the hardest work in leadership: understanding themselves.2,186 participants. 398 schools. 14 years. This is the story of a program that became the Crown Jewel of NSWPPA's professional learning suite and the woman who built it.In this conversation you will hear:-> The moment in 1979 that changed Judy's understanding of human behaviour forever-> Why external psychology, rewards, punishments, compliance  is getting less effective, not more-> What Choice Theory actually teaches, and why 40 years of neuroscience research now backs it up-> The one thing every principal must do before they can truly lead others-> The whiteboard moment that became the Window of Certainty  used in hundreds of NSW schools today-> What Judy wants her legacy to be, and what she hopes every school in this state will one day choose to believeThis is not a conversation about strategies and checklists. This is a conversation about the inner work of leadership.--- ABOUT JUDY HATSWELL ---Judy Hatswell is a teacher, registered psychologist and senior instructor through Glasser Australia. She is the co-founder of the Art of Leadership program and a leading authority on Choice Theory and Quality Schools in Australian education. She has worked in schools across every state of Australia, in Indigenous communities, and in more than a dozen countries worldwide, including Iran, Colombia, South Africa, Canada and Korea.--- THE ART OF LEADERSHIP 2026 ---The Art of Leadership 2026 program is now open for enrolment across 8 locations in NSW.Enrol now: nswppa.org.au/art-of-leadership--- RESOURCES MENTIONED ----> Choice Theory / Quality Schools  Dr. William Glasser-> The Window of Certainty Hatswell and Stones (2016)-> Self-Determination Theory  Deci and Ryan-> Vivian Robinson  instructional leadership effect size 0.84-> Viktor Frankl  Man's Search for Meaning-> Harvard positive psychology research  relationship as the primary driver of influence--- CONNECT WITH NSWPPA ---Website: nswppa.org.auArt of Leadership: nswppa.org.au/art-of-leadershipProfessional Learnings Podcast: professionallearningsnswppa.buzzsprout.comLinkedIn: NSW Primary Principals AssociationLinks and References:To view  our Professional Learning Offerings, visit:https://www.nswppa.org.au/professional-learningTo view our latest offerings, visit: https://www.nswppa.org.au/catalogue