Julia Louis-Dreyfus

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Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We just have such a pro. We have the queen. We have just the hilarious, incredible, inspiring Julie Louis Dreyfus joining us today. And we talked to Julia about so many fun, good things.

We talk about season four of her podcast, Wiser Than Me. We're gonna talk about her Emmy domination and how she just beat me year after year. We're talking about how many photos we have on our phone and spoiler alert, I have more. And you're gonna hear her reject my idea that she is the LeBron James television. So great episode coming up.

But before we start, we always like to check in with someone who knows our guest, who has a question to give me to ask our guest. And we have an incredible, sweet, super talented, hilarious Tony Hale joining us. Tony who you might know from Arrested Development, Buster Bluth, Wada Character. He played Gary on Veeb, incredible character. He is the voice of fear and inside out too, incredible character.

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Are you in a booth in a recording booth? Okay, this is a little booth I made in my house. And if I really showed it to you, you'd be like, oh, that's sad. Tony needs help. First of all, everyone now, you're nobody.

If you don't have a booth in your house. Really? I'm ahead of the game? This is like, feel like a COVID thing. Did you build a wall and you make it sound proof and you start a podcast?

I'm proof-ish. If I really showed it to you, go, oh, I get it now. That's the reason the witness protection program. Oh, it's so good to see you. We first met on the set of Arrested Development back in whatever that was.

Yeah, actually, was that? I think we might have first met when Martel was on SNL, because my wife was a makeup artist on SNL. And I think, but I was just the guy next to her that was like, oh, I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not just saying anything to Amy. No, no.

And so I don't know if we actually met, but I just kind of probably stared at all you guys. Yeah, you're a very talented wife. Martel was a makeup artist during my years at SNL. And then we got to know each other on the set of Arrested. And I mean, Buster Bluth.

What we need a movie about what's going on in his head. Yeah, there was a lot going on inside. And I mean, he could barely get the pharmacy. But he just told me, somebody was asking me the other day about just the codependency. That's in that show between me and Lucio Bluth, who was played wonderfully by Jessica Walter.

And there is a scene in there, which so is such a beautiful picture of the codependency where she's on house arrest and she can't smoke. And so she tells me, she goes, bless her, come here, come here. And she says, she makes me inhale the smoke out of her mouth as she smokes and then blow it out on the balcony. And then she takes another drag and then blows it into my mouth. And I've got to exhale on the balcony.

And I was like, just like a baby bird getting a worm out of his mom's mouth. And I was like, if that's not a picture of dysfunction, that I mean, that is crazy. Well, to me, that's a picture of a loving son taking care of their mother. You know what, Amy? I think this is a side conversation.

What a son should do for its mother. Absolutely right. My mother would agree. You have created such great codependent dysfunctional relationships in the work that you do because Lucille and Buster, I mean, and then the relationship you and Julia have on Vib is, how when you explain your relationship to Selena in that, like how do you relation, how do you sum up the relationship you guys have together on the show, your characters? I worship, she was Jesus to me.

I was, I don't even think I, I mean, she literally called me a bitchy mime on the show because she said really want me to speak. So she gave me no value, but I just had these crazy rose colored glasses and just, I never heard it. I just heard poetry when she was screaming at me. So it was just, and she knew it, she knew it and she abused it. It looked like you two had an incredible working relationship.

Like it just looked like you loved working together. We really did. And she, the one thing, I mean, you did the same thing on Parks and Rec, but it's whoever's number one on the call sheet, which means whoever's the star of the show, they typically set the tone of the experience. And sometimes unfortunately that's, I haven't had this experience, but you know, sometimes it's like everybody's walking in eggshells and there's a lot of ego and entitlement, which sucks creative energy out of space. And it's just not a gift to anybody.

And then sometimes you have like you or Julia where you walk in and it's just, it's open. We're all on the same team. There's a kindness, there's a respect. And let me tell you right now, it is a gift for the next seven years. Yeah.

That show of what she gave us. And we just loved her and we just became friends. I mean, she's also work is not her number one priority. Her family is, she has a life outside of it. And kind of just the humanity of Julia was really just awesome, awesome to be around.

Yeah. And you know, you, I think you, because you're a deep thinking person. Too deep. Some people say too deep. So rumor.

Tony Hill too deep. Damn it, that should be the name of my father. Too deep, too deep to what would be the book? It would be Tony Hill. Or somebody's or I'm talking to somebody and they start saying something I go, not deep enough.

You gotta go deeper. Go deeper. Actually, go deeper. Go deeper. Go deeper.

I'm like bye bye. Go deeper. And then it's go deeper, comma, get back up to the surface. You've gone too deep. Way too deep.

So I asked my zoom guests to give me a question, to ask my guest. And I'm wondering if you have a question, big, small, deep, not deep, for Julia that you think would be appropriate. One thing that I always loved to witness with Julia was her relationship with her mom. She really loves and respects her mom. And I, we never really talked about her mom a lot, but never really talked about much of her growing up.

And growing up what she remembers, kind of how her mom cultivated that foundation. You know, because it's such a cool thing to watch now. And I'm like, oh, wow, like, what did your mom do right? You know? Yeah, it's a great question.

What did your mom do right? That's actually, I think, that's kind of like, the theme of your 50s and 60s. Because listen, I love to generalize, so I apologize in advance. But if your 20s and 30s are like, who am I not? And I don't want to do this.

And like, what didn't go right? Then as you get older, you start to realize what else, what did I, what, the people who raised me, what did they, you know, they're doing the best they can, what did they do right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can, you can really see it with the fruit of that, with her relationship. And you know, both of you and I are parents.

And I want, that kind of longevity that she has with her mom. Man, what an awesome gift. Yeah. You're so right about the 50s kind of having eyes to see. Yeah.

Which is such a gift. That's, that's too deep. That's that we went deep. We've gone to, yeah, that's the second week of too deep. Which is- So my favorite dessert is G1 by.

Thank God, let's give back to the circus. You know what, I mean, I'm not trying to change lives here, Tony, you know what I mean? Like we're trying to have a laugh, it's a good hang. Sorry. And look, I took it down.

I put the weights on our ankles and I brought us down. I was about to go into like, dessert, the sugar desert, my stomach. But I do, I want to keep it up. Let's do it up. I'm not gonna say more.

So also maybe if I follow up that quite, maybe if I asked Julia the question about her mom, I should follow up with what your favorite kind of pie. I will say what's her favorite dessert. I want to say, I think it might be a really good chocolate cake, but I don't know if that's true. Well, I feel like I would trust you knowing everything about Julia after V. Yeah.

I didn't know anything about politics on that show, but I knew what designer she was wearing. I knew what George was wearing. I knew who just had an affair that she was talking to. I knew all that stuff. You kept tampons in your bag just in case.

Different colors, several. That's a real man. Thank you. That's a real man. Thank you.

Oh, why didn't I put me on a Marvel movie? Uh. It was a guy that stamped onto his bag. Me, me, me. I got it.

I got it. I got anti-bacterial wipes too. Well, I feel like you should be in a Marvel movie. And also, you were in Toy Story, Toy Story 5 is coming out. You're in that.

There are five coming out. Forky, sweet little Forky, man. Forky was the best. Oh, that's so great. Yeah.

Forky has a lot of questions. What's Forky's game? Like, what's going on with Forky? Ever again, too deep again. Yeah, here we go.

Going down. You're like Forky is like, why are we here? Forky's like, why we're here. But also the fact that he came into the world being like, I'm trash. I'm just trash.

And what he's like, no, you're more than trash. You're made for purpose. Come on. Oh, that pixar man. That pixar man just gets you.

They just get you every time. So I think that'll come out this summer. And this theme of this one is Toys Against Tech, which I think is a really cool. Ooh. That's very cool.

Yeah. Well, I, as long as you guys don't come after my phone. You can say all you want about tech, but my phone is my best friend. What if when the movie comes out like the SWAT team just goes to your house and goes to Amy? Give me your phone.

Whatever the area tech just wins. It's like, yeah, no more toys. Amy is really a spokesperson for AI. Everyone's concerned. Big time.

AI, we need AI. She's the ambassador, the AI's ambassador, polar. Tony, I love you. See you later. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Julie, let me drive this here. Yes. We've started our interview by comparing how many photos we have in our phone.

I would call it a competition, if you don't mind. Well, I want to talk about this, because what I like about you is you like to win. I do like to win. I know. I love that about you.

Let's reveal the numbers of photos we have in our phone. I'll go first. Go ahead. Oh, shit. Winning our losing.

I have 82,000 photos on my phone. Wait, you mean it's a round number like that? I know it's 82, 014. 82,014. What do you have?

I'm 56,276. Chop, chop, screw you Amy Poehler. Now, you know what it means is that we have not asked a young person to plug in our phone and to transfer our photos somewhere else. We should have them on my phone. Me too.

There you go. But we should be downloading them somewhere else, right? Don't they do that automatically in the cloud? I'm literally the last person asked. Somebody called Bill Gates.

We can get them on the phone. Now, when I get a new iPhone, I hand it to my 17-year-old child and I go fix it. Do it. I don't even know how to do it. I don't know how to do it.

I don't know how to do it either. But this is making me anxious. I need to take these all off of you. I want, there are certain pictures I want to have. Agree.

But let me ask the Gen Zers in the room. Do you guys take your photos off your phone at some point? Never. Never. See, we're young and hip.

All of a sudden. Okay, we're really sounding old though. Because I'm the same way like I sweat. Technology makes me sweat. That's right, mother.

It does. Yes, mother. Yes, mother. Yes. Okay, let's turn off that phone.

Hold on. Julia's phone is digging. Did you get another picture? Did you get another picture sent to you? I'm up to 56,600.

Okay, by the way, my phone is also on. Oh, hang on, I just want to finish this. Okay, anyway, now it's silenced. Okay. Yes.

I want to start by asking you about podcasting because we're both podcasting now. I know. I didn't really ask a lot of people for advice before I started this podcast. You should have called me, by the way. I know, I didn't ask any men because I try not to ask men for advice.

But what do you think makes a good interview? You've done great interviews now. You've done many of them. What do you think makes a good one? Well, I mean, it sort of depends on what the conceit is for what the conversation is going to be.

You've done this right because good hang lets you know exactly what it's going to be. We could be talking about the photos on my phone for the next 45 minutes. That's right. We probably will. And we might.

And that's like, that is dynamite because there's an ease to that. Unfortunately, for me, you've made it hard because you love hard work. Well, I don't know about that. But I have made it. I mean, it's definitely rewarding.

But it does. I'm talking to older women about the wisdom they have acquired in their life and would they share it with us. So that requires me to do a lot of research. I really need to come to the table understanding who these people are and how to have an authentic conversation that isn't just, you know, your normal fuck around. Yeah, or plug your this, that and the other.

Yeah. And I love your show and I told you that. Like I love the deep dive you do. I do feel like I get this very big picture perspective from the women and the lives of that they've led. Oh, thanks.

I'm going to glaze you for a while on this. This is what the kids call glaze. I'm glazing you. Like a sugar thing? Yeah.

All about sugar. Oh, my God. I'm going to tell you how great you are. So buckle up. Okay.

There's a word. There's another word that's out now that I can't report it. I was going to respond. But it went out of my head. And if we know it, it's out.

So glaze is not cool anymore. Of course it isn't. I'm saying it. So now I have to say, I'm dead. Yeah, exactly.

I'm dead. Seriously. Bet, Bet, Julia, Bet. How much research do you do for a show? Like do you?

A lot, baby cake. Why? Why work so hard? I don't know. How many of you got in the memo?

Where do you see how? Why are we working so hard? I don't know. Well, you would say you're not working hard. I'm not working so hard.

You are. Yeah, you are. Right? Yes, she has everyone shaking their head. You are pretending like you're not to be cool, but you're working super hard.

I'm going to tell you. But it is an indication, I think, of a bigger thing that we all are used to doing, which is being a very good student. Like just like working hard. Yes, that's true. And has that been something you found in your life?

I want to do well. Yeah. And also for me, with this podcast, it was really born out of my own curiosity. In fact, I came to you and talked to you about this podcast. I know.

And I remember thinking this sounds hard. She passed, ladies and gentlemen. She was like, what if we didn't look like a little bit? I don't think so. You do it.

That's what she said. Who is coming up at Eric's? Who have you interviewed that you can plug? Well, I can plug the following. I can plug Jane Curtin.

Please. And you know, I was like, oh, I want to talk to you and now I'm like, I want to talk to you and now I'm like, this is a great opportunity to talk to her. But it was a great opportunity to go back and look at her work and particularly her work on SNL back in the day, because, of course, she was one of the original cast members. And to understand the effect, speaking for myself. That had on my life.

Yeah. Genormous. Yes. Genormous. Totally.

And I watched that first episode, and Janice Ian is singing, I learned the truth at 17 and I was 14 watching the show and that premiered. You know, you sort of don't, to a certain extent, these people that have these cultural icons who had proper influence, they get into your bloodstream without your knowing it. Totally. And it's, you know, that thing, like you have to see it to be it. It's not conscious.

It's not like you say, oh, there's a woman on there, but you just see people filling this role and you just become part of your DNA that that could exist in your life in your world. Right. Yeah. So, yeah. Incredible.

Yeah. Incredible. By the way, you may know this, but something I learned talking to Jane that was kind of extraordinary because you and I are familiar with the schedule of SNL, which is grueling. Jane was not hired as a writer. And immediately she made the decision that she was not going to come to work on Monday and Tuesday.

I swear to Christ. Whoa, that's so baller. Baller. She's like, I'm not here to write. I'm here to perform.

Let me know when you're paying me. You're paying me as an actor. Wow. I'll be here for the table read on Wednesday. Wow.

And the great thing about that was she's a really good cold reader, according to her. And so she'd nail it and then she'd be in sketches, but she was not doing that drug filled all-nighter life. Wow. And she was just that she had the sense to realize that she was protecting herself. FYI, she was married too.

Yeah, Jane seemed like the reasonable cast member. Because she was. Yeah. Yeah. I told this to Martin Short, Marty Short, when he was on the show we were talking about the SNL 50th, which stirred up so much for everybody.

It was it was a lot of there were a lot of feelings in that studio. I know. And I can speak for myself that parts of me really regressed like back to, you know, some version of what I was like when I was there. And also the young part of me was like Starstruck by the people who, you know, I grew up watching. And I, one of my tenderest moments was I was talking to Lorraine Newman, who I don't know that well when I worship.

Yes. And her and Jane got ready together. Yeah, they're like, and they got their hair and makeup together before. And it just made me feel so happy because I just wanted them to be friends forever. And they were.

I know. They are. And they held up to give this picture at the end. It was so touching. I know.

You, Julia, even though I consider you, you're, I consider you whether you'll accept this or not. Like I don't accept it. I don't. I'm not going to accept it. I'm just not.

I'm going to say something good. Okay, go ahead. I'm really interested in being... Yeah. Like, I felt like in the same way you saw Jane, I was 11-12 when you were on SNL and you were a baby.

You were like 21 or something. Yeah. So you were not that much older than me, but it definitely, you were a new woman on the show. And, you know, I was always paying attention to who was new on the show. And you looked really young, which I loved.

Cause I was young and wanted a young person on the show. And I have to say, like when I was preparing for this interview, there's a million ways that we can talk about all the million things that you've done in your career and your life and who you are as a person. I got to be lucky to get to call you a friend. But you are like the LeBron James of TV. Yeah, I mean, I think but I'm not gonna I'm not accepting that man. Here's why I say that

And I think that's smart to not accept actually I take you back. Yeah, but no, but you have been you're pretty good. You're pretty good It's fine three. This is what I'm gonna stand the metaphor And I'm just I'm pleased that I came up with this from a sports perspective because um because you're such a sporty I'm just what this podcast is. Yeah, let's go deep into the draft into the draft and football Kelsey's go into there. Let's get in there. Okay

No, but um because you're LeBron because you have one championships for more than one team you're you have been in huge legacy shows More than once. Yeah, that's very unusual. It's very unusual and that's a lot of good luck, you know really and so so great But not really LeBron But what did you we started talking about winning we were comparing photos Yeah, what is your relationship to winning because I like that you like to win like I like I like like fun competitive women Well, first of all the fun is all caps because yes, because there's another kind of competitive woman totally That we don't care for that's right. That's right. It has to the fun part has it has to be like in good fun Well here I'm gonna tell you a story about you that I like so much. Okay, so

You and I have down a couple of times done bits around award show and And when we're competing against each other that's right. So anyway, what I have found over here is is that it's very good to focus on What to do if you win or you lose? Mm-hmm, and Amy Poehler is very fun to come up with bits with I love a bit love a bit I know Ward show that because it used to be fun. It used to be like I know goofy and how it's so serious Yeah, and by the way, we took speeches seriously But from a comic point of view if you win for a comedic role try to be funny when you give a speech or how about even if you win from a Duro-dramatic role, how about that great idea?

I'm a bit any time anybody does they look like a genius genius. No for really look like a genius So we did a couple of them where we might I think my favorite one with you But you tell me was when we we pretended to switch acceptance speeches my favorite Oh, it was very good We gave each other a hug and then we pretended to like oopsie switch speeches and then you went up and you started Thank you people from Parks and Rec and then we had a moment of like oh fuck Yes, and the camera cut to me and those were the years I have to say there were so many great women always in our category that came and went Julie was always there because she always crushed us all every year but But um and like people were really game to have fun. Yeah, completely and I don't remember anything other than the fun times of those Bits me too. I really I was always so grateful that you were because there were certain people that weren't down to do those bits And they won't be named we did try we did we tried to finagle other people and they didn't think it they didn't want to do it I know I think some of them are nervous like genuinely nervous. Okay, fine. You can say that

But okay, I want to start though. I want to go back a little bit because I feel like we talked a little bit about this in person But we we kind of had similar Sketch Chicago beginnings. Yeah, like we we were in a group We were the only girl in the group. Yeah, and our group kind of moved to a new city to like make a start and in your case practical theater Yeah, the theater company moved to SNL together. Yes, we were on TV from Northwestern Yes, so what year was that?

1982 and we were doing a show in Chicago that was a big hit in Chicago and And all the people in the show got hired there were four of us Yeah, three of us were on SNL and the fourth person Paul Baras was hired as a writer Yeah, and you all moved to New York and just started together. What was it like to have four or five of your closest friends to start that show with? Well, it was tricky. Yeah, not because we didn't get along But because we were a group of people who were met with a lot of animosity Yeah, and by the by the people whose friends had just been fired If I can imagine it because I was myself the same way There's like a pluckiness to a sketch group like a sketch group is like improv and sketches like stand up was cool And improv and sketches kind of nerdy nerdy for sure and you know, so it was like hey guys were here And I'm sure everyone was like, okay

No, but you're gonna I don't know if you know maybe you know this but when they they had us at the first table I can't even oh no, it was just so excruciating. There's this room On the 17th floor with fluorescent lighting and you know folding tables and that's where they do the table read Hmm and in that same room they had us these new people coming in Do part of our show that we were doing in Chicago for the writers and cast. Oh, wow. Yeah in fluorescent lighting Oh, wow, and we came out to your point Dootie. Dootie. Dootie. Dooty. Dooty tap-iwity tap-wow-wap-wap-wap

And it didn't lay on IAM. You've been saying it my horn pets are going bananas right now So anyway, that's how it began. It was a terrible in tauspicious start and you were there for a couple of years Three, and you were there during a period of transition. I mean Lauren was not there Lauren was not there So it was there was a strange window to pee there babies. It was bad. Yeah, it was not great. It's not great, but fabulous learning experience

experience. It was hard and it was a little crazy making, but I came away from it sort of stronger. Yeah. And met Larry David, who you then worked with again on Seinfeld, and Seinfeld still similar kind of thing, like didn't, had an inauspicious start. Yeah, it was a four episode order. It was like they were just trying to sort of burn it out. When

I was doing research. Oh, look at you working hard. Very hard. You are the person I worked the hardest for. That's total bullshit. It is true. Yeah. I've worked the hardest for

Shelabam. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Smart. But no, but like Parks and Rec, Seinfeld was always

close to being canceled. People weren't getting it. It was like, we don't know what we have here. No, it was until the third year it started to take off. Yeah. And it was Elaine

written as a man at first that character. Wasn't it four men? And then they changed it to Elaine? I don't know. No, I know. What's the weird way to ask it? You know what I mean.

Like, I think I'm tired. Elaine was, you were playing Elaine as a man. Yes. No. But wasn't a character they brought you in because they were like Julia. And because they did a pilot.

Yeah. And then apparently the network told them you have to put a girl in the show. So there's a tape out there somewhere where there's another person in? No, not in there is not a regular in the pilot. Correct. Wow. Yeah. It was a different time. And so they said, you know what, you

need a girl. Yeah. And so, so I came in, I've never watched the pilot of Seinfeld, by the way. And so, why would I, why would I buy it? And so, you used to watch anything that's right.

That's right. Yeah. What was the name of the show? You were in the show. Yeah, exactly.

So yeah. So that's what happened. So they put me in. So I was in the episode two onward. And I feel like success in the comedy world, in the sitcom world is often like kind of measured by whether or not people will dress up as you for Halloween. Oh, because I think Elaine

is a popular Halloween costume. It is. It is. And it's an easy one to get together. Like it's just, it's a dress and a blazer and a curly-haired wig. God, I could, I'd love to go back and fix

that look. Yeah. I feel me. There's some early Leslie Knope styles where Michael didn't put enough thought into that. Yeah. But we weren't really thinking about that. No, we were acting

and we were in our character. But I actually remember because like when friends came out at some point when we were doing Seinfeld, not in the beginning, it was sort of, I can't remember what the years were. But, and all those girls were so sexy. Yeah. And I remember thinking like, Oh, fuck, I should have been sexy. Yeah, I think that all the time. Seriously,

I can't tell somebody like, Oh, I forgot to be sexy. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. This was such a mixed up. And you reminded of it when you see other people like, Oh, that's also something I could have tried to be. Seriously. Like a mid-drift. Anything. Anything. But that's

why we love Elaine. We love her because of that because she feels like us. She feels like someone we would know and love. Like she feels like our funniest friend. She feels like her like, you know, I mean, I think, and she's so funny. And it's, it just could, it wouldn't work if

Elaine was paying attention that it never would work. It might have worked. That's true. She just might be like a really slutty, sexy face. That's so slutty. Just coming in like a tight

jeans and like, how are they all dressed? Yeah, I know. Anyway, because it's not duestle by scratch. But also you had to two boys. Did you, were you pregnant? Oh, yeah. Oh, right.

Yeah, I had two babies during that time. So the sexy thing, although, you know, look at me more today. I know, but I didn't even know about that. I didn't know about like, you know, going like that with your big tummy and looking hot. I was just, you know, I was just wearing huge, like picnic tablecloths. Yeah. But that style is back now, you know, 90s of

that. Oh, listen, if anybody in America is listening to this, please don't do the 90s again. I'm going to disagree with you. Okay. Well, you're wrong and I'm right. No. And so

just leave it at that. You're being triggered. But I'm telling you 90s, like that the, the floral with like a chunky shoe and a tight and a blazer fucking jackpot. Like you pass you and Jen Aniston, when you look at pictures like Rachel and, um, and Elaine, everybody's dressing like that now. And I don't know what to say. I'm just so fucking sorry. I really, I really

am. But I will tell you one thing. And I've told this story before, but when I was pregnant with Charlie with my second son and I was really pregnant and I was about five or six months and I got pretty big and Jerry comes up to me and he says, Hey, we got an idea on the right. No. And he said, um, how about this idea? How about Elaine just gets fat? Incredible.

What an idea. What an idea, Jerry. So I burst into tears. Of course. And I will say the following though, in retrospect, it might have been great. It might have been funny. It's a funny idea.

Yeah. And it's funny. I did hilarious. Because with a big tummy and you're like putting a belt on it and you're pretending you're not putting it, you're just getting fat. But when you're not feeling in your own body, it's like, it didn't, it didn't work. I remember on

Parks and Rec, I had been pregnant on twice on that show too. And, or sorry, I started when I just gave him birth for my first kid. And then I got pregnant with Abel, my youngest a few years later. And I remember my character, Leslie was going to become pregnant on the show. And I said, I did some version of like bursting into tears where I said, I cannot be fake pregnant.

I've just been really pregnant on both SNL and Parks and Rec. I've been genuinely pregnant. And I can't make me now wear a fake stomach. Oh, so it was like, after I gave birth to Charlie, and I'm picking up my other son, Henry, from camp. And I'm picking him up and this mom comes up and she goes, Oh, when are you two? Yeah. No.

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men. There's still my boys. Yeah. And I love your relationship with Brad, who's a wonderful person. Yeah. And you guys are like a really beautiful example of a loving, funny, supportive

marriage with two very talented people and you're FYI were separate and getting into this. You're going to announce it. Yeah. I just thought this is the time. I mean, you brought it up. I might as well. Well, you know what? Good. Easy to go. And I worked with your son,

Charlie, on Moxie, a film that I made. He was a total doll. You know what? I've chosen me about that. That was the first professional job you ever had was you gave him that job in Moxie. And I am so grateful to you for that, not because you gave him the job course, but

yes. But because I'm so grateful because you're a good person. And he didn't have an experience with a jerk of which there are so many. Yeah. And it was very informative to him. So I just

want you to know that for me on this is totally me telling you. Thank you. And even no, I'm actually tearing up. But I really mean that. I love him. I love him. He's such a nice kid and talented.

Okay. So we talked about time, felt, Avengers of all Christine, incredible show, Carrie Lizer. Love. She's your kind of person. She is an incredible show runner. You've worked with great

show runners. Yes, I have worked with great show runners. Yes. Armando Ainucci, who is creator of how did that part was that part written for you? Yes. Yes. I would say, I mean, initially

know, I just heard about the concept that you know, unhappy vice president. And then I was like, ding, ding, ding. And then I met with him. And then he started to write it after that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I loved the idea. And I loved his work. I mean, Julia. Yes. That show.

That show was so much fun to do. I have to say, I still miss it. Yeah. Do you miss doing parks? I miss the people. Yeah. I miss the people a lot. I mean, I have a lot of them on here because

I miss them so much. I miss. I miss. It felt like, and it feels that way with me to like the chemistry of the people, the funniness of like laughing all day. All day. So we do a thing

on the podcast where we have people come on before our guest and talk well behind our guests back. Talk well. Yes. You've not listened to this podcast. Let me explain something to you.

You called me to do something for Ina Garden, but you didn't say talk well. Yes, I did. No, you didn't. I did. No, you said come up with some questions for her. But I'm not talking well.

I introduced you. I said that we're going to talk well behind us back. Did I not know you didn't? I'm being gassed lit by this enterprise whenever. I'm never talking to you again. And by the way,

Ina, who was on our podcast, you came on to do an incredible little segment in the front and Ina and you are buddies. Yes. And when I was talking to her, she was saying you guys are ready to go on a trip together. Yeah, we did. Please tell me about it. Don't we just tell

me what you ate? We went to she very generously took me and Brad to a restaurant in Paris called Caviar Caspia. Yeah. And frankly, I don't even like caviar. What? Yeah. And it was delicious.

Was everything that everything had caviar in it? Kind of. It was like caviar and potato and champagne and it was very, yeah, just exotic and it was in Paris. So, you know, what else you need to know? She was so nice. You brought champagne and strawberry. She was the best.

God, I was I supposed to bring something? It's just weird that you did it, I guess. Like, I mean, if it is weird that you did. If my assistant will is listening to this right now in the green room. Could you put some more photos on my phone? It's actually is getting out of

my phone right now. And also, can you go and get some chocolates and quickly get some chips and rip up the thank you note. I was about to send to Jill. So, could you please just bring anything? Send flowers to myself because I'm clearly not going to be getting anything. Also,

Amy Poehler. I distinctly said that Anne, who could answer only funny is that Anne could have been that I came out here wearing this blouse and you did not see what she had on. Okay, anyway. So, I spoke to someone who knows you really well and that is Tony. Oh, my Tony.

I know. Tell me about it. Tell me how much you love Tony. I love Tony. He's the best. He

is the greatest guy. What do you love about him? What's so great about Tony? He is deeply funny. Yeah. Like, deeply funny. He is profoundly generous. He is incredibly neurotic. Perfect.

He worries about everyone. Yeah. So, if there's a group of people and somebody is off or not fitting in or having a hard time, he can only focus on that. Yeah. And which speaks to his kindness. Yeah. And I just would do anything to work with him again. I want to find a way

to work with him again. You guys were so great together. I'm not sure. Everyone on Veeb was great. But Selena and Gary's relationship was very special. Very special. How would you

sum it up when you explain it? Have you ever seen a like, like a trellis with a plant growing throughout it? That's their relationship. Codependency to the max. Max. In measurement times a thousand.

Yeah. That plant is not going to live without the trellis. And FYI, the trellis doesn't give a shit about the plant. Yeah. Like the trellis actually is like, could somebody cut this plant off me? Yeah. Like this plant might take you down. But it all makes me look better. So, it

can stay. Yeah. I mean, the way it's really good. Because you're, I mean, Selena was like, ultimate narcissist. Yes. And which by the way, couldn't be more fun to play. Oh, I bet. What

was fun to play? Why was that fun? What did it allow? What did it allow you to play around with and do that you don't get to do in her life playing her focus only on myself? Yeah.

And, and appalled that if anyone is not focused on me. Yeah. And take no responsibility for anything. Yes. Never apologize. Never apologize. It's always your fault, your fault, and your fault.

Oh, she just never ever looked inward. Right. Ever. Yeah. She didn't know what's happened. Yeah.

Yeah. So that was fun. Well, Tony had a great sweet, of course, loving question. He loves you and adores you. And he, his question was like very tender, just like Tony. But he was saying, like,

what he loved about you as a parent, he watched you be the kind of parent that you are and it really inspired him as a parent. And also he was very moved and is very moved by your relationship with your mom. And his question was, what do you think your mom did right? What did she give you? What are you like happy that you got from your mom? It's such a sweet, tender, such a tender question.

I know. I mean, there are obviously many things that I got from my mother, including this wide jaw of mine. It's gorgeous. But I would say that my mother is a very intellectually curious person. And I think some of that has rubbed off on me. And

and also my mother has a very good sense of humor. When you were growing up, was she watching stuff that influenced you? I know a lot of that comedy came from my mom, like what my mom was watching. What did your mom watch? Cherel Burnett, Donnie Python, SNL. Like my parents had that on

the house. Did your mom watch that kind of stuff? Yeah. Well, yes. And I mean, I did, there was a show on when I was little, like really little, like maybe two. And it was a show called Super Sales.

Oh, yeah. And also Captain King Garoo. Yes. And we used to watch that and howl. There was something, and I think it was on Super Sales, or maybe it's Captain Cameron, where ping pong balls would fall down. And you know, when you're two, that's like drop dead funny. Yeah. No, you know, it's kind of

the Jack and the box kind of a joke. Yes. And we would start how my memory is that she was laughing as hard as I was. I guess this that maybe she was laughing because I was laughing. Yeah. But I remember

sort of feeling like I was partnered with her in enjoying this extraordinarily funny ping pong bit. Yeah, laughing does do that with our families. I mean, it's a binder binder. And also, you learn a lot about somebody by what they laugh at. Totally. Like, I know, I learned, you know, I got,

I don't think it was the first time we met. But when you came back to host, S&L was a big deal for all of us who were on the cast at the time that you were there. Very excited. And we got to like spend some time together. And I remember being so pleased that we would laugh at the same thing. Like it felt like, Oh, I just felt excited that we were enjoying the same

things in the same way. Totally. Yeah. There was a real immediate symphonico. I remember that very well, because when we were in the, we were, we were in the rehearsal there or something, and we were in 8H. And I was at the page station thing and you came up to me, you just went like this, you

went, okay, run. And so I just ran and we just went running down the hall. It was just some dumb bit. But I thought, Oh, I like this girl so much. We were just, you know, yeah, I'm talking around.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think when you came back to host that year, you had a really good time. I had a ball. I had a ball. Yeah. And by the way, if you can believe this, speaking of male, female things, I was the first female cast member to ever come back and host. Wow. Whoopsie daisy. Yeah.

And that was 2006 or something. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. And you were coming into a cast that was like, there was a lot of really strong talented women performing together. And it was a good vibe,

at least that's what I was picking up on. It was the first time I really had fun doing the show. Yeah. I mean, what was so nice about hosting back then with you guys was to feel the female power that was evident and long overdue. And so that is a good feeling. Yeah. Yeah. And

that's why I like talking to these older women too. Anyway, I think it's pretty critical to have these conversations and to hear from these really interesting people. Well, I mean, Julia, you do that to me. You inspire me every time I see you engaging. Like I feel very inspired by you. Like I feel very like you turn on a switch for me often,

where I see you doing something and I'm like, right, right. That's the kind of engagement I'm supposed to be doing or like being reminded that I'm doing. Like you definitely do that for me. And you do that for me professionally too. I see the moves that you make professionally. I'm like,

damn, so smart, so interesting. Like you're, you are, I'm always looking to you. Oh, wow. That's so nice of you to say that really makes me feel good. Yeah, I really feel that way. I really appreciate that.

Thanks, Amy. You're welcome. What a good hang. This is good. Okay. And then my last,

I have two questions. One that's fun and one that's a little bit more serious. But like, what I take away from your show, I want to take away from knowing you is like the incredible total joy and privilege is to just get older. Like there's so many people that aren't here that want to be here. Like how great to be alive, basically. So great. And as we get older,

feels like adulting this term, adulting, you just get hard because you know the hard parts of life are the juiciest parts, like the challenge parts that we have to get through are the, that's the meat on the bone. It's just, it's getting through can be rough. I know. And you've had a tough, you've had to get through illness, loss of your house, like loss of people in your life. Like it's not easy. And we all go through this. Like everybody listening knows what this feels like. They

have versions of it in their life grief, grief. What is the thing that on the other side of certain types of grief, you've like learned about yourself? What does it need you? Because is it just as simple as like, I'm happy I'm alive? No. Yeah, I know. Like you, you shared with the world when you were going

treating your cancer, your breast cancer. And it was very helpful for a lot of people. It isn't something you needed to share. You did. Well, I had, you know, I was kind of backed into a corner on that one because we had to shut our showdown. It's funny how that worked out because normally I

would not have done that. Yeah. Very private. Yeah. But because we had to shut the showdown deep at the time for a year, I had to say, you know, 250 people weren't going to be working or whatever it is. So so I had to make a public thing about it. But the good thing about doing that was that

I did have this incredible experience of people reaching out to me asking me for, you know, asking me about my experience going through the breast cancer, you know, for advice. And and I was able to help. And there was something unbelievably comforting about being able to do that on the other side of this trauma. Right. There is a lot to be said in self soothing by soothing others. Yeah,

you know, for real. I mean, it's a, that's a, I don't mean to sound all Pollyannish. I actually think it's true. Yeah. I agree that like to be, to be of service to others is the way to get yourself up out of the building. Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah. And we need, it's like, we're in such

short supply of it right now. And the other way that I think that, and I think you're the same, that takes me up from the basement. The elevator is laughing. Well, 100% without it. You're dead.

It's so true. Like you have to laugh. You have to laugh when it's the worst. You have to laugh. And those are my favorite laughs when it's very, when everyone is, you know, it's like church giggles, basically. Like funeral laughs where like you have someone who loves you enough to know

they're going to take a swing here to get you up out and you have so many funny friends. Yeah, you must have had so many moments where things were dark for you and someone kind of scoops you up with a laugh. Oh, totally. Well, when I was actually, when I was going through chemo and I had a lot of girlfriends come and shove into this tiny little room, you know, I mean, like the size of this table. And everybody was there and I was high as a kite. And, and I was doing this thing called the cold cap.

So it's a thing that they do that you can do if you're getting chemo if you choose. And it's this ice cold thing you put on your head and it's supposed to help you not lose your hair. So I did that. So I had this huge, like weirdly shaped turban on my head and, you know, I'm kind of like that. And everybody's around me making fun. And it was a dream dream dream dream dream dream.

And at one point, I remember I sent a bunch of my girlfriends out because I lost almost weight none of my clothes fit. And so I was like, I need, you know, hi, I need new jeans. And so I sent everybody out. I don't know where they went. And then it's on FaceTime.

And I'm telling them which ones to get. It was fun. It was hilarious. So fun. Yeah, it really was. And what do you, and I asked all my guests,

this, where are you watching, listening, reading, what are you, what are you laughing at right now? Well, there is nothing I love more than those videos of either dogs, like that one dog who keeps attacking an apple slice. Don't don't know it. Hold on. It's it is attacking an apple slice.

He's just going bananas on top of a bed. How do we find that? We're, you know, how we find it? Yeah. We type in dog attacking apple slice. I think it's his name is Star phones are off.

Remember, we're going to have to turn them back on. No mind is enough. You never turned your phone off. Puppy shares apple slice. No, that seems too nice. Oh, here we go. Spud on Instagram. Okay.

This dog is just attacking this piece of celery. This dog is a maniac. The dog is growling it as the size of a rat. It looks and it is furious at this piece of food and is bearing its teeth. I mean, it's scary. It's scary. But it's, it's not going to hurt anybody. Oh, this is a strawberry.

It's a war. Anyway, that makes me very happy. But do you watch a lot of videos, YouTube videos and like, and I think what I, I love Survivor. But let me just ask you something about Survivor. Okay. Survivor and amazing race.

Those kinds of shows. Do you think you could do well on them? No. No. Really? Is there,

when you watch it, is there a part of you that you think like I, this is what I would do? But you don't. Yes. Okay. What I would do is pretend to break my leg and get air vac out. Have you watched alone?

Yes. Incredible. In, incredible. Okay. Let's talk about alone.

So for people that don't know, I think it's on National Geographic channel, maybe the street channel and now it's on Netflix. There's a 45,000 seasons of it and the 45,000. I think we watch every episode during COVID. Yeah. Fantastic COVID show. And for those who don't know, the premises,

10 or 11 people are dropped somewhere. It always feels like Canada, but somewhere. And they have to survive the elements and survive being alone in the psychology of how people figure out how to not only find food and shelter and outlast their competitors, but the psychology of what happens when people are alone is fascinating. I'm for sure would go crazy. But don't you think you would do on alone? Are you out of your mind?

Better than really, you don't think you would do better than some of the other, yeah, no, I wouldn't be able to get any food. I wouldn't be able to kill any animals. So that would be one problem. And then the other problem would be I don't think you'd be able to sleep because you know, they got bears up there. I mean, I don't know what has space you're in right now, but there's no way you're making it on alone. No way. I'm not saying I'm making it. I'm just saying, I'm saying you're

not making it one night. Not even one night. You're gonna be too cold. So you have to make a shot. My pride would do one night. I would. Okay. One night. Not really.

But I love alone. I love it. I love it. I love it. Because I think it's an extraordinary challenge. I think it's a legit, you know,

and it's great. And as a survivor, it's got all these things in these games and so on, which is God's a fun, but it's all fabricated. In this case, you really got to stay alive. And you don't know when other people have peeled off. They don't die, but they tap out.

Yes. How much do they win? A million dollars. A million dollars. And what I love about the psychology of that show is the way, because I relate, is the way people start to give up before giving up. Oh, wait, talk about that. I forgot.

Because I start to talk, and I just, I love it because I recognize it, right? Which is when you start to talk yourself out of something, but you're not talking yourself out of it yet, but you're just playing around with the idea because it's such a mental game. You have to just take the highs and lows and like, right? But when people are like, yeah, it's just, you know, my family. I'm sure my family's missing me a lot. Yeah. It's always men. You know,

like my wife is probably struggling and you're like, oh, here you go. Here you go. Yeah. Just a little day or two before I'm just thinking about. That's right. I mean, I do want the money,

but will my kid ever be, ever have their third birthday again? You know, and you're like, here he goes. You're getting ready. Couple days. So now he's going to tap out like that kind of bubbly stuff I love human behavior. It's like, it's so good. I want to watch alone with you and I want to

watch the new jury do do do do. And oh, wait a minute. That would be fun. That would be fun. I would like to watch TV with you. Okay. Okay.

That's not weird. I want to come over and I feel like getting in some kind of comfy situation with you and Brad get under some kind of knot away. Just, no, I'm friends. You get blankets. I feel like there'd be a good snack like a chip, like a delicious salty chip. Yeah, but we need some

yummy. We need some desserts happening. Are you sweet over savory? I like it all. Yeah, but I love sweets. Okay. I'm more more savory. So we can have sweet and some kind of chip. Okay. And we watch

one of these shows and we my picturing it now. Have you ever had dill pickle chips? Yeah, don't do it for you. Doesn't do it for me, but I love the idea of them. Oh, God, it's making my mouth water just talking about it. Let's get some of those. We'll get some of this. We'll find

something else. Do like a salt vinegar. I enjoy a salt vinegar. Yeah, love that. And also, I'm a basic Doritos bitch. Really? I know. Not a sponsor. Is now. Not after what you, the face you

just made. That's the slogan. I'm a Doritos basic Doritos bitch. Really? I love you, Julie. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me. I love having

you. I knew it would be fun. I didn't know it would be this much fun. I can't wait till I reach 70 so I can come on your show. Yeah. Thank you so much, Julia. That was so fun. It's always so fun to get

to be around you and laugh with you and do bits. And for this polar plunge, I just want to mention one of the guests on Julia's podcast, Wise or Me, who I just love. And that is the author, and Lamont. And if you're listening, I love you. And if you don't know, and Lamont's work, she is a very prolific and successful author who has written books like, Operating Instructions and Bird by Bird and Tender Mercies, many, many works of fiction. Her latest

book, Somehow Thoughts on Love is out. And she's just a really candid, funny, deeply funny, tender, big thinker. And I don't know. I just love her. And I hope I get to have her on the spots someday check out her podcast with Julia, check out Julia's podcast, listen to podcasts, podcasts are great. We love podcasts. Okay, thanks. Bye.

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