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EPISODE · Aug 7, 2026 · 54 MIN

Julian Shapiro-Barnum on ‘How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up’

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“We all need to act more childish,” says professional child interviewer Julian Shapiro-Barnum, the YouTuber behind the viral series Recess Therapy. He’s interviewed thousands of young kids to get their takes on love, family, adulthood — and corn. And he says he’s learned from kids about how adults can better listen to their emotions, instincts and imaginations. Shapiro-Barnum’s new book is “How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up.” He joins us and we hear from you: What has a kid taught you? Guests: Julian Shapiro-Barnum, comedian; interviewer for online shows “Recess Therapy,” “Celebrity Substitute,” and “Outside Tonight;” author, “How to Grow Up Without Becoming a Grown-Up: Big Lessons from Little Kids” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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