The Serpent makes me think of Saved. Saturn is the sixth planet from the Sun, which is a six-sided shape on its North Pole. So that matches up to the sixth day of the week being Saturn Day, like Saturday. Perhaps maybe?
Chronos. Baby eating was inspired by satanic sacrifice, you know? Like the serpent always looks similar to the sine wave. Isn't that weird how the sine button on the calculator says sin instead of sine?
Like the Bible says we're born into sin, but maybe we're born into sine like the cycle of time. Ooh, welcome to Dan and Brent. I'm Brent. I'm Dan.
Alright, it's going great. We have a long episode ahead of us only. Yeah, well maybe. Well, so it depends on if we give up in the middle of it.
So we were trying to come up with what to talk about today and we've done so many conspiracy things here recently. I guess not that many. We did do the Dungeons and Dragons ones. Yeah, we had a couple back to back though.
Yeah, there's a couple back to back. Anyway, if anyone's still listening to the show, thanks. We thought we would do something that was a little more lighthearted and pretty much our primary hobby outside of video games. Definitely in our wheelhouse.
Yeah, like something we're super into and that's comedy. So this is what we have to say about Black Lives Matter. See, that's an example of my horrible comedy. Yeah, it's magic.
It's almost as bad as mine. So I know you have seen a ton of comedians live. Quite a few. I haven't been as many live, but I'm still just a huge fan.
Oh yeah, I would disagree. Like when I go to the left of me, you're less than me. You haven't been there anything. When I go anything, when I want to see a movie, I always look at comedies first.
Right. It's always like comedy. Okay, nothing really comedy, then maybe an action. But yeah, comedy is just I just like to laugh, man.
Right. I like to be happy. Who doesn't like to have a good time? Apparently, I don't even know where to start with this thing.
We had to decide to just start. Yes. Brent's been over here for several hours while we've been just discussing comedy. We're like, hey, who do you want to talk about?
And then we would write a name down and then we'd write another down. They're like, hey, what about him? Oh, shit. And so now we have four pages of names and that doesn't matter.
And that doesn't matter. Anybody knows? No, it's not. We can't go off that.
We can't do anything. I mean, we started just talking about our favorite stand-ups and then we're like, well, once you list your favorite stand-ups, then you got to list the best stand-ups. And then the best of each subcategory. And then you're like, well, then TV and then film.
And then what about comedy movies that comedy music and all kinds of shit, it just spirals out of control. So we're going to do our best to do a comedy episode. Really, this is going to be a hey, Dan and Brent list their favorite things about comedy and their favorite comedy things. Yeah, kind of.
And we'll be playing a little clips about the show. Yeah. I'm going to be taking it down. I mean, I guess we can talk a little bit about, you want to start with like, not really the history of comedy because I don't want it to be like super deep, but Greek comedy.
Well, yeah. I mean, that's like the, I think that's kind of where we came up with the idea for the podcast because, you know, there's some tragedy where like, well, what's the opposite of tragedy? Comedy. You know, that's the classical- Like saying theatrical, you know, designation like it's either a comedy or tragedy.
And it is kind of funny to me, anyway, that all a comedy is, is that it has a happy ending. So in the old Greek tradition of playwriting, it just means the characters didn't all die. Yeah. One guy lived and had a farm.
Yeah, everything turned out okay. Like it wasn't necessarily comedic. But maybe that was funny back in the day. Yeah.
Those poor saps. Yeah. We're like a good lunch was an onion. Oh man, I missed onion days.
So yeah, and I think it's not maybe ironic. It's the wrong word, but a lot of comedians have either tragic backstories or tragic events in their life that have kind of pushed them. Almost had to make it. That's kind of weird, right?
It's almost a defensive mechanism. It's like be funny. Yeah, I think that comes from a lot of bullying. Yeah.
I think a lot of people that were smaller picked on or seeing other people sad and wanting to make them happy. I don't think that's it. You don't think that's it at all? There's just people shit.
I think people are just shit. I mean, can you think of somebody that would say like I just saw sad people and I wanted to make them happy? Patch Adams. Okay.
The USO maybe. Yeah, which is pretty important. Yeah. But I mean, all those people are already comedians.
Not like they hire new guys. Hey, USO. I'm ready to tell you that. I came up with a joke.
What do you even try? Like, I wouldn't want to do that. Fooled your way onto a USO tour. Like, that's your first gig.
It's your first gig. That'd be a nightmare. Yeah. And like on the helicopter is like you, Pat Naswald and Jim Jeffries and they're like, who the fuck is this guy?
Oh, he must be a new comic. Dude, but we can't wait to see yourself. The crazy thing is like something getting a break like that can make a comedian. Really?
Well, I mean, like you got to look at some comedians like they blow up overnight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like just because a particular person saw him and then our group of people saw him and that worked.
No, it totally can. Like, I mean, Dane Cook, for sure. I mean, he was the first one to kind of, I want to say, turn social media into a weapon. He was.
Or two. I mean, he was virtually unknown and then due to my space, he had a giant mind space following. Yeah. And some friends of mine that were early in on social media knew about him back in the day and showed me some of his material online.
And I mean, it's fucking floored. Yeah. I mean, really, I don't know if I necessarily comment up a pioneer in comedy, but he was doing a lot of stuff. He was doing stuff different.
Yes. He was doing stuff different. That's what people liked him. I haven't seen that.
Yeah. He's very moved a lot. He's very analog. He's very physical and kind of alpha-ish.
Very alpha-ish. Yeah. So it made you want to like him because he had the fucking confidence. Well, yeah.
And throughout, just weird for comedy. Well, throughout comedic history, it's never the alpha. I mean, until nowadays, now that there's so many comedians that you get people like from the Sting of the King. What, like the O?
No. British Rob. Oh, yeah. He was a young.
I mean, Joe Rogan. That would never, like he had a hard time in the 90s getting stuff because no one likes a funny fit dude. It's all about a supposed man. It's like, if anybody actually heard the podcast.
Give me the tall skinny guys or the podcast. And we'd probably be famous. So it's really difficult to kind of filter this down. Okay.
So how long? Okay. What's the first comedian you remember? What's the first one that?
That's what I'm saying. Like what are your earliest memories? And for real, my earliest memories were back on VH1, Stand Up Spotlight with Rosie O'Donnell. I had seen like some Carlin and some Eddie Murphy, some SNL when I was a kid.
And no kidding. I mean, I could get Will on the phone and he could testify that I will, I would stand up on our hearth in front of our and repeat and like his jokes. Yeah. And like pretend to do stand up.
Yeah. Like for my brother and sister and they're like, well, you're not going to say anything funny. That's you're not just stealing from somebody else. So it was a tough audience.
Have you ever actually been up on stage and drive? I have not. I did it for a while. And I enjoyed it.
It's super new for me. I did it for a couple of years, man. Yeah. I mean, the year.
I remember I tried to come see you and then you didn't get on stage because some local dude showed up that like. Oh, yeah. Was that at the recovery room? No, it was.
There's sushi place. Oh, she does. Yeah. Yeah.
What happened to that place, dude? I don't know. That place was good. It was.
Have you been there lately? No, it was bad. I thought it was gone. I haven't heard anything about it.
I think it's gone now. That's probably why. Because the food went downhill. But anyways, anyway, comedy.
Yeah. So I tried it. It's super nerve. I mean, the first time I was on stage I was literally like shaking.
I had to take public speaking in high school because I was always. Were you not good at it? I'm very nervous and Ellie type dude in front of a group. Well, Dime on Dale's page didn't get into pro wrestling until he was 40.
Yeah. I can be the Dime on Dale's page of comedy. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. I've got the shitty joints to prove it. It's not an easy thing to do. I mean, you think it's easy like, you know, because when you joke with your friends, like you could be the funny guy in your group, but it's not it's not all inside jokes, man.
It can be zero inside jokes. Zero inside jokes. And there's always people that think just repeating very commonly funny things. Yeah.
No, everyone has heard that. That's not where I would. Yeah. Shut up.
Yeah. That is the perfect example actually. I know. It is.
It's the whole it's kind of it puts into the whole psychology of why people laugh anyway, which I think is hilarious. Anyway, like that they've figured out that really all laughter is is like a leftover genetic communication from early man of like, Hey, that's just funny. Like that's how deeply embedded laughter is. It's like a very basic communication.
Oh, yeah. I think babies laugh. Right? Yeah.
You're born laughing. Like no one teaches you to laugh. Like it's not it's not a learned thing. It's like people just inherently know what's funny to them.
Right. But I remember, I remember George Carlin the most as a kid watching the standup specials and like comedy central and stuff. But then I also remember like a as a young kid like HBO. Yeah.
That was like that was. Yeah, because we had the black box. Oh, yeah, the black box. You lucky bitch.
Yeah. We had to go over to somebody's house to see that shit. So I got to see all this HBO specials in the 90s. That was a bit deal.
Oh, yeah. I mean, that was equivalent to the Netflix special nowadays. It really was. And they were.
But you got way more money for it. They were like events. I mean, that was like a boxing match. Like nobody nobody had additional.
Content back then for anything like a pay-per-view what you're paying extra money for something. Yeah. But we can watch it here. What?
Oh, you must be rich. You must be rich. You're getting a fucking comedy special. Yeah.
I mean, that's like we didn't get that shit at my house. We had to go to somebody's house. But that's how comedians got known back then. For sure.
It was not like today where there's internet where it's like you can put some on YouTube. When I imagine, I mean, I wasn't old enough to go into them, obviously. But I imagine that before it was just clubs. Yeah, it had to be, right?
It had to be because there was no internet. Yeah. It had to be clubs or late night TV. Late TV.
Yeah. That was like Carson. Yep. It was basically, if you got on Carson.
It was a very funny one. Yeah. But like, you know, then there's stories of him kind of blackball and some comedians that he didn't like. For sure.
Really hurt their career until he was out of there. Yeah, huge. Like, yeah, if you were a dick to Carson and he didn't like, or he just didn't like you, you're fucked for a long time. It possibly forever.
No, I thought of like six more names. Oh, yeah. Like go ahead. Andrew Diesclay.
Oh, nice. Nice man. How do we, especially if you're like going back into like early stuff? Yeah.
I mean, I've grown up to you. And then really Saturday Night Live, man. SNL. SNL.
And then of course Bill Murray with all his, you know, I guess all the National Lampoon movies. Well, he was in National Lampoon. Oh, not National Lampoon. What's it called?
Animal House and Caddy Shack and Caddy Shack. Well, there's National Lampoon stuff, which was Animal House and vacation. And then there's the Harold Ramus movies, which was like Stripes. Yeah, that was like Caddy Shack.
That was at National Lampoon, was it? Huh. Okay. That was really nice.
Yeah. Yeah. Go, go, go, go. Oh, yeah.
It was really good. Are you talking about the movie with Joel McCam? Yeah, yeah. Dude, did he not fucking nail Chevy Chase?
Nailed it. Nailed it. Which is funny because they're both in community. It is.
And I actually like Joel. Like he's another one of those kind of almost alpha guys. But no, I say, yeah, he did a great job. So we both have, okay.
So we both have kind of similar experiences there. Well, and I also, I think what really hit off me was Nintendo, Nintendo. She's been a long day. Nickelodeon, Nickelodeon, the TV show, all that, which was basically a sketch group with kids doing the sketches.
Oh, yeah, the kids sketch group. And that got me into like Matt TV. Oh, yeah. And you know, because it's like, it's almost like Sign Out Live, but it was like a.
Or In Living Color, which was before that even. In Living Color. I mean, and so many fucking kitty and came from these. Yeah, Jim Carrey, all the lanes.
Yeah, yeah. All of them. Who's the other guy? J-Lo.
No, no, no. Who's, he was like, I think he's a three-namer from Damon. From In Living Color? From In Living Color, yeah.
He did the fucking Man on Film. Oh, David. Yeah. Shit.
What's his name? Fucking David Allen Greer. Yes. Oh, fucking Damon Wayans.
Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, you already said all the lanes. I guess I always think of the older one, for what reason. Those are the key in ways.
Key in every way. Yeah. Which is funny because I can't think of a single skit that he did, but I know he was on the show. Yeah, it's weird.
Well, he went pretty much straight into straight acting. Yeah. But anyways. Anyway.
But yeah, so I guess I just got shows, man. Were you allowed to watch that shit? Because I was not. All the stuff I just mentioned, I had, which made comedy that much more exciting.
Because I wasn't allowed to watch. I wasn't allowed to watch SNL. I wasn't allowed to watch SNL. I wasn't even supposed to be awake watching SNL.
But I fucking would sneak down into the fucking living room late at night and watch it. Yeah, I believe I was. I don't really remember being told not to. Or I was allowed to watch.
I mean, I'm sure I was allowed to watch the HBO specials. But I don't think my parents knew. Well, I mean, you were seriously under-adulted. So I mean, maybe.
I don't know. Left on your own. I mean, Mary doesn't work. I don't really remember being a kid.
Because my whole life is fake. Anyways. But no. So yeah.
And I mean, that is what really sparked it. And then nowadays with the internet, I think everyone kind of goes through waves of stuff they like and don't like. And so when I was younger, I really liked that stuff. And then it kind of teetered off.
When I got older. And then Dane Cook came out. And that kind of reduced it. That's a big gap.
That's a big gap. And once you didn't pay attention to any comedy between when you were 10. And I think everyone watched Sondheim. When you were a little bit.
Everyone watched late night when this was the only option. Oh yeah, true. Late night. But I'd better than dude.
And I was still catch special here. But I wasn't an avid fan of comedy like I'm now. Oh, who's this new guy? Who's this?
This? This? You're right. I mean, trying to compare comedy now to the way it was back then.
I mean, because all it was special. So you didn't have it 24. It's not like you. You couldn't have it like you have it now.
Dane Cook. Yeah, he was definitely a big one. Because that's when the internet was coming up. My space started.
And then it was like something click in my brain. I'm like, oh man. I bet there's other people like him out there like this. And then you start finding all these people and you're like, how come no one's talking about this guy?
He is hilarious. So one thing we forgot to bring up while we were talking about this before the show that was definitely an early influence was fucking Bob and Tom. I mean, I'm. Oh, radio.
Yeah, radio in general. But I'm from Indiana and they're based in Indianapolis. So I mean, everybody listens to Bob and Tom up there. And they're a huge supporters of the comedy scene.
Yeah, we had we had if you couldn't make it on Carson and shit, you could get on Bob and Tom and get a name for yourself. See, we had Bob and Tom, but we also had Howard Stern on a channel over here. So that's what I would listen to. I don't feel like someone on a lot of comics.
No, but it was still entertaining and funny way. The stuff that the almost sketchy type stuff. No, that's true. He did.
I mean, he built like a whole little universe for himself. Yeah. Like the whack pack and all the crazy shit that he would do on the air. Absolutely.
Yeah, for me, I mean, I remember the Dane Cook thing. I'm trying to think if there's anybody that really jumped out at me before like the last 10 years or so, because I'd say like probably 2004-ish, I really started getting back into comedy and it was probably because of Louis C.K. Yeah. Like a friend of mine was like, dude, you got to see this Lucy K guy.
You got to see this Lucy K guy. And we watched something on HBO. Blew my mind. He's very anecdotal.
It's very like down to earth stuff that he talks about and everyone can relate to. And it's weird because even when he's talking about stuff that you can't relate to, you kind of relate to it. You don't have kids. You can.
But you want to say, but don't. Yeah. That was outrageous at the time. I mean, that's pretty much going back in history.
That's what the Court Jester did, right? Oh, yeah. He was the only one allowed to talk shit about the king and it was funny. For sure.
Or like, or journalists and writers. I mean, two of the biggest, you know, literary tools that are still used in all sorts of mediums are like parody and satire. And just real quick, for anybody that doesn't know the difference, a parody is when you take a subject and you blow it out of proportion. Yeah, you make it bigger than life bigger than it is.
Right. Whereas satire, it's still exaggerated, but you use comedic devices like humor and irony or ridicule to rail against people's views. Like, basically they're just making fun of a current situation. So like when Dana Carvey was playing like President Bush or any of the Senate lives when they're playing the president making a joke about it.
Right. And anybody's viewpoints. I mean, Trump's so Trump's like walking. So I guess pretty is more like a physical like parody is taking what you did and making fun of it.
Like, weird al is pretty where satire makes basically like they didn't do this. But if they had done this, it looked how hilarious it'd be. It's almost more like poking fun at it. But it's like satire is the onion and parody is weird.
Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
Like they're very closely related. That's why they're so confusing. So his work is parodion satire or is it parodion satire? I would say I would say Louis life is probably more satire if you want to really nail it down.
But it's a satire of like his own life. It's like self-deprecation in a satire form. Let's lose that out of it. But maybe it doesn't relate as well to the case.
That's right. I thought that it would. But it was just it was outrageous to me at the time. So and then there was a couple others like Pat Naswald and they had big specials.
I mean, obviously in that period I had seen the other big stuff like Chris Rock's special and I mean, yeah, we should go back and just hit all the big big time. I was just going through it autobiographically because I didn't know how else to fucking pack it. Like Eddie Murphy delirious. Where does that fit in there?
Yeah, I mean, I watched that as a kid. I mean, I like that. I said kid I'm probably in high school like 14 or 15. I saw that shit and it blew my mind.
Right. And then my prior blown minds. I guess prior was huge. I didn't see prior and probably into college.
Yeah. Same here because I mean my parents were watching it speaking of my parents watching also huge was as much as everybody hates him Bill Cosby. Yeah. Bill Cosby was huge.
Huge. Not to sound too ridiculous. But I mean, he really was like America's dad, man. I mean, everybody loved Bill Cosby.
Yeah. Like that's why I was so freaking shocking when we were like, he's a fucking rapist. What the fuck? Yeah, crazy.
But I mean, that was huge. He had a great, he had several great shows. But the big impact on me was growing up watching Bill Cosby himself. That was huge.
That was huge. That blew my mind. I wonder, are you probably couldn't even find it now. I don't know, maybe.
Like you couldn't pay to rent it from somewhere. Oh, here's some. My mother kisses every child. Well, just coming in, kiss your grandma.
And my children think that my mother's the most wonderful person on the face of this earth. And I keep telling my children that's not the same woman I grew up with who's trying to get into heaven now. I mean, it's still funny. It's still funny.
I mean, he's got, I mean, such a huge history. I mean, he was a shit person. But of course, like we said earlier, tragedy or comedy comes from tragedy. Oh, yeah.
It really does, man. I mean, it's kind of a messed up thing about comedy. I wouldn't say that that's the case anymore. I think that now more than ever.
Well, now there's such an and comedy is creating more comedy, like it's growing on itself. Well, and you also don't have the the hurdles that you had in the past of being seen like, Oh, yeah. You can have your own podcast like we do, which we're not funny. But whatever you can have your own YouTube channel, you can have, I mean, it's a little good pull down.
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of weird censorship stuff going on right now. There's a lot of weird people too though. That puts stuff up.
It's just like, yeah, yeah, but they're like demonetizing people on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube's this weird. It's getting weird. It's getting weird.
So those were probably the big ones for me. Louie, Jimmy, Jeffries, I mean, Dave Spells. When he came out, he came, he started getting big and what was his first special like in the 2000s, early 2000s? Yeah.
I mean, he was on, you remember that special comic relief? Yeah. Or like the Deaf Comedy Jam? Yeah.
He was on those. I remember. I remember seeing some of them. I remember whoopi Goldberg bringing him out the first time I saw him on television.
I always forget like some of these movie stars. I was starting to forget 17 or something. I forget some of these movies stars were even like comedians. Whoopi Goldberg was a comedian.
Oh, 100%. Like Roseanne Barr. She was pretty funny. She got a little interpretive with it, which was weird.
Yeah. Roseanne Barr. I mean, there's a bunch of people who like once they hit acting, they're like, huge. Yeah, this was more money than this is what I do.
But there's still a lot of actors who are like, you know, standups my thing. Well, and that was like the, there was like a template. Oh, yeah. You've run a lot of time.
You go on late night. Well, it's kind of Cosby was kind of the beginning of that template. Late night, you get a TV show, you go to movies. Right, right.
Maybe it's your train pass to the front lines. Same thing with SNL. I mean, yeah. The number one song album movie all at the same time with Blues Brothers.
And we're on the number one show probably at the time. Yeah, and then I want to show the time. Like it's like, yeah, it's incredible. Actually, I don't know if SNL has ever been number one, but I think it's always been kind of a weird friend show just because it's on some.
It's one of those shows that it's like everyone has their cast. Like the one you remember, the one that you thought was the funniest. Yeah. And like, and then people go and wave to watch it.
At least I have like, I'll watch it for a few years and then nothing. And I'm just cause I'm just interested in whoever's in there. And then I was like, hey, who's this new guy? And then you start watching and you're like, it's still pretty.
And then people will tell you like, oh, yeah, this season is hilarious. Which doesn't happen that much more often anymore. But you know, I think there's too much comedy. There's way too much comedy.
I mean, that's not a bad thing though. I was like saying, there's too much food in here. I can't eat all this food. So, you know, because we're not as entertaining as people.
We're talking about and we're going to cheat a little bit in this episode. Anybody else that you want to play a clip from? I mean, I can easily play some shit from Louie and Jim Jeffries. But I got to say, like my one of my number one comedians and it's such a weird comedian.
I don't have some people. What's going on with your earlier influences at the moment? Mitch Hedberg. Mitch Hedberg.
Hell yeah. I mean, I mean, I found out about Dan Kook is when I found out I'm not a kid. Yeah, isn't it weird that I think he was already dead. Some people, yeah, it was like, I found out about him like then he died like I'm just like after.
Yeah, that's fine. But, I mean, it's kind of crazy. Like some people probably don't know who he is. It's true.
It's true. Well, here, listen to some Mitch Hedberg. So now everyone will know who he is. I like Rice.
Rice is great when you're hungry and you want 2,000 or something. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My mouth loves those applause breaks. Refried beans. I like refried beans. That's why I want fried beans.
We're wasting time. I went to a pizza, I ordered a slice of pizza. The two gave me the smallest slice possible. If the pizza was a pie chart for what people would do if they found a million dollars, this two gave me the donated to Jerry's slice.
I would like to exchange this for the keep it. Excuse this for you. That's what I love. I'm walking the target, but I missed.
I was going to walk in the target. I missed. He's a very like set up punch type comedian. Oh, yeah.
I mean, in his hour special he had to have like, I mean, he's doing a joke a minute. At least like bam, bam, bam, bam. Like short one of ours, but they're like hilarious things like the rice joke. That one gets me every time.
I mean, speaking of early influences, I can't believe I forgot. I'm sure this is going to keep happening. Absolutely. But Mitch reminds me a lot of Stephen Wright.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why Terry's awesome. She bought me tickets on my birthday while we were in college to Stephen Wright. We went down and saw him in Indianapolis. And it was fantastic.
He reminds me a lot of Mitch, but he got a lot of the one liner and kind of dead pan. I mean, you can almost call it Stoner Himmer, but I mean, it's two brilliant to be. Yeah, my. Anyway, he's even right for people who don't know.
He's driving down the street past the gas station. There were two sides in the window. Help wanted self service. So I went in and hired myself.
So I got out of the bed. I figured I'd go for a walk. She said, how long gonna be gone? He said the whole time.
I was on the middle of the desert. A UFO landed three one inch tall guys get out. They walked over to me. He said, are you really one inch tall?
I said, no, we're really very far away. I remember the day the candles shot there and now everybody just stood around and saying Happy Birthday. Man, he's got some of my favorite like, like everything's in walking distance. If you have the time, I spilled my some spot remover on my dog and now he's gone.
So is that considered slapstick? No, no, no. What type of comedy would you even call that? That's definitely one liner.
One liner? Yeah. I mean, that's that's what comedy used to be to, right? A lot of it.
Yeah. I mean, I would storytelling comedy. Well, there was, but if it was storytelling like a Vavillion style or like Laurel and Hardy stuff, it was like a worked out bit. Yeah.
Like you say this, I say this, you say this, or it would be like an ongoing joke. And Rogan talks about this a lot on his podcast. I mean, I feel like I shouldn't notice it. If you don't know who he is, look up J Rogan and he's a comedian and the one of the Mount Rushmore of podcasts, if you want to call it that fear factor, fear factor, that guy.
Comedy is way more difficult now. Because everyone is so prolific. Like somebody puts everybody puts out so much work that everybody has to keep producing new stuff. And that's not the way it used to be.
No. Because there was no internet. There was, you know, there's no television. You could have a set and run it for years.
Exactly. So guys are talking about that. Like steal from each other all the time. Yeah.
Do each other's acts. Yeah. It didn't matter because like if you were in entertainment, your job was to entertain. Who cares if you were telling like Jimmy Dorsey's joke, you know, because nobody cared, you know, they're just there to be entertained.
So now, I mean, people need to come up with shit. Yeah. I mean, it's like everyone wants to consume all the everything, everything all the time. Which is fine with me because.
Yeah. It just means more stuff for me to watch is going better. But it doesn't kind of upset me that I'm going to miss on some stuff. But back in those days, they also would hire four or five writers to write jokes for them.
So you're one guy was producing the jokes of six people. Oh, you mean like television and writing stuff. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying like, yeah, back before the internet.
Like that's how other comedians would get jobs. You become a writer for another comedian. Right. Right.
And which is weird. But so that's why some comedians were so great because they had six great comedians writing for them, right? Which is crazy. A lot of people criticize, you know, like late night shows or I mean, even like SNL.
Yeah. Like that. I mean, I actually be able to deliver the live. Well, and the thing is like when you're producing like late night show or sign up like where it's every day or once a week.
You can't do that. One person can't do that. No. I mean, I mean, it's it.
When Louis C.K. set the standard for the one year one hour special, he really did. It kind of piss people out, but also kind of live fire under them as well. Like, actually, yeah, put some new material together.
And, but I mean, yeah, then everyone else is like, well, shit, if he's going to do it, I'm going to do it. I'm going to release special. You know, like, I mean, that's one hour's worth where saying it live is more than an hour in it or is it's an hour long. No, it's not.
But yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, and he did that in a year. Like so it takes more than just. Oh, yeah.
I think that's kind of the news kind of the new standard, you know, which is which is which we assume will come back at some point. I mean, I'll tell I didn't really want to address the virus thing during this, but assuming things go back to normal and you can go back to doing it the way that they do it, from what I understand from listening to a lot of comedians talk about the way they put this shit together, it's fucking tedious. Like, could you run the same joke over and over and over and then change little things about it until you get to the perfect, like holding a knife. Like, I mean, it's it's it's crazy that I know from my experience, like, yeah, I mean, like how long did it take you to put together five minutes?
Well, the thing is, like, I have this whole list of stuff I'm gonna do. I'm like, this is more than five minutes. I get there and go quick. And then in twenty seconds later, I'm like, well, I'm out of the four pages of stuff I had to say.
Yeah, you think you've got you. Yeah, yeah, you definitely don't. You don't. You think like five minutes, that's easy.
It's not man. It's forever when you're up there. It is. And I totally like I don't have a problem speaking in front of people and and took lots of speech glasses and things.
And even getting good at it, I still had to improvise a lot and I found that the best way to go. I mean, a lot of similar ways that we set this show up is we work basically from outlines. I mean, we'll talk about individual categories. Yeah, but it's like we don't have like no an actual like can you imagine if we dialed down everything into like specific bits and like we actually wrote down dialogue like, all right, now you're gonna say this, Dan.
All right, now I'm gonna say this. And that's what people have to do for television show. Yeah, exactly. That's crazy and or just an act.
Yeah. And how long that would it would take to build that fucking house, man? I mean, just one break at a time just like, okay, I've got these two minutes and these two minutes and I can finally I can string this joke into that joke and then something happens and you're like, Oh shit, this brick should have been in the middle, not at the bottom. So then you got to rebuild the wall.