This is the Jeremiah Intervention episode. That's why I don't like it! That's the Intervention episode! I love it!
That's why I'm not liking this! No, I love it, because you know why? I think we're doing this. Pup-pup-pup-pup- pup-pup-pup-pup-pup-pup-pup...
Tah-dah-dah-dah. Tah-dah-dah-dah- dah-dah-dah- dah-dah-dah. Tah-dah-dah-dah-dah- dah-dah- dah-dah, dah-dah-dah-dah-dah- dah-dah-dah. That's what this podcast is.
Wherever we go with it, I will bop-dot-dot-dot. I'm loving it right behind you. Wow, OK. You're going to do the ship?
Oh, yeah. You're going to be my first mate today. Oh. Yeah, great.
You good or what? Yeah, I'm good. Heck yeah. I'm going to cheer.
I feel like I'm going to space command center. OK. That's just so. Yeah, so.
It's like intense here. Right. There's so much equipment. There is a lot of equipment here.
Yeah. Yeah. Anything's possible. And also the 10 person crew in here is making the little claustrophobic.
Yeah. Something about being in the man's garage and having him say, OK. So do anything you got to do and then pulling the garage door down? That's why I always warn my guests.
This traumatic, as a young woman. That's why I warned you because I didn't want to just be like, shut up. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the back.
All right. Take a part. You got all set? All right.
I'm going to pull the garage door down. Now, clap for me. Yeah. Clap.
Clap. I know. So I was getting out and he made me clap. And he made me do 70 episodes of a podcast.
I know. I went to the bathroom. There's all these like baby toys. There's no baby in sight.
My wife, that's where bath time is right now for the baby. And the bathroom. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to go upstairs. Oh, okay.
You live upstairs. You know. Have you seen the movie duplex? No, I haven't.
It's all about the reason I asked the question is all about there's this old woman who lives upstairs. I think I have seen them. With Ben Stiller. Yes, I have seen them.
And she's like, she's so annoying, I think. Oh, she's horrible. And then she dies, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Like they're wanting her to die for the longest time. And then she does. And I think they're sad about it. And then when she finally dies, it's like, wait, why did we want her to die so bad?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of the whole story of the film. Okay, well, our lives are pretty boring, I guess. Yeah.
We don't have anything to bug us or complain about. Exactly. I forget who was the woman that played Ben Stiller's wife in it. Did they kill her in that movie?
I think they were planning on it and then she died in natural causes. Right. So this is the famous movie where Ben Stiller and his girlfriend want to kill the old woman who lives upstairs. Yeah.
They're plotting her murder. Uh-huh. And when she dies, they're bummed. Yep.
I can't believe that's a real movie. It's a real movie. And we've both seen it. The fact that we've both seen it, that's the more impressive thing.
In fact, I've seen it many times. Why? No. Okay.
It was one of the movies when I was a child that yeah, it was one of like the seven DVDs we had access to. Yeah. So there were like a few movies that we just watched on repeat. It was duplex.
It was barbershop two. I've never seen number one. You've only seen barbershop two. I've only seen barbershop two.
How many times do you say you've seen barbershop two? Upwards of 25. Are you serious? Yeah.
That's amazing. Barbershop two duplex keeping the faith. Oh my goodness. Do you remember that?
Yeah. Yeah. I only had Ben Stiller. Continue with this collection of movies.
This is fascinating to me. a movie called Chasing Stripes about a zebra. Okay. I had, there had to be other movies.
For some reason I'm only thinking of those four. Okay. Well speaking of Grazia's, you were trapped in as a kid. I grew up in a room.
Yeah, exactly. These are the only movies ever made, right? Hello, wall. Hello, DVD.
Hello, DVD number three. Movie three. Movie three. Can we play today?
Yeah, I know. Wow. Okay, so why did you have, why those movies specifically? Because that is such a very, very specific group of movies and also not the same kind of comedy at all.
Yeah, no, and you know what I actually, the other one was Jerry Seinfeld stand up. I'm telling you for the last time or was that the name of it? No, it's not. I'm telling you, whatever.
Yeah, one of Seinfeld specials. One of Seinfeld specials. Yeah. It was like, my parents didn't, I don't know if we went into like Best Buy and like we each were allowed to pick out a movie.
Oh. And then those were just the movies we had for like 20 years. That makes sense. That could have been it.
Yeah. They owned that we, no, why would they only? No. Did you ever go to Blockbuster as a kid?
Yes. I love going to Blockbuster as a kid. Oh, it was an event. It was amazing.
I remember, oh God, it was so fun. You first of all, I remember there was always this one, I grew closeted. And I remember there was one movie called Imagine Me and You and the cover is two women in wedding dresses holding hands behind the groom. Yeah.
And I remember always seeing that movie and wanting to rent it. Sure. But if I picked it up, I like didn't want to out myself to my mom. So like in Blockbuster, I would like pick it up and like look at it and be like, I wonder about that one about like every time.
Oh, you kept trying to like kintier mom like, okay, honey, this looks interesting. Or like accidentally be like, oh, wait, I didn't know that was about like lesbians, like like grabbing lesbian porn bags. Right. I thought they were just friends.
Mom, I heard about this website. Have you heard about it? Exactly. Do you want to put it on?
Exactly. That was so fun. I know. Seeing the DVDs or the VHS, right?
Yeah. VHS and DVDs for sure. Oh my God. I would always watch Night Shift.
Night Shift. What was that one? That was about a pimp. Yeah, I don't know about if I know that one.
And it was like some really hot scenes and I would always watch it when I was home sick. Yeah. Home sick. Super hot, my mom's bed watching a movie.
I was like, seven. Yeah. You get like so turned on when you're little. And you don't know what it is.
You're just like, I'm so into this. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. I used to have, I mean, daily so many boners as a kid.
Me too. Yeah, exactly. Like literally I would just be like, you just feel so, you don't express it. You're just like, it's just like all pent up and just like weird, like it'll come out in like weird bursts of emotion and other ways and stuff like that.
It's so frustrating. Yeah. And it's just like frustrating as a keyword as a youth. Like you're like, I just don't know what's happening or what's going on.
Totally. Totally. Okay. I had a very springer because it was on during the day when I was home.
Yeah. And like something about that felt taboo because they'd be like, and she fucked him and I'm like, bring people out. I was like, Oh my God, no one can see that. It's insane.
This is insane. It felt really wrong. But I love Blockbuster. What did you get?
Oh, Blockbuster. I remember this one time I wanted to rent black sheep with Chris Farley and David Spade at Blockbuster because my friend had never seen it and it was one of those things where I was like, how have you never seen black sheep, you kidding me? We'd have to rent it tonight. This friend of mine, because I grew up religious, this kid's family was also very religious.
like even more Southern mine, like to the point where my family, like if it was comedy, like you know how like with certain religions stuff like like with a pretty much every religion, they bend the rules kind of to what works for you. You know what I mean? Like if my family a lot of times is like if it's funny, I mean, you know, you know, maybe the Lord would be okay. You know what I mean?
Like that kind of they never said that but that was like kind of the energy behind it is like, but it's so funny and harmless that we'll be all right. That's a great energy. No, it's for sure. I love that part of the religion.
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
So my mom mainly was like, it's funny like we're gonna watch it like, but my dad would be the one where like he wouldn't let me watch like the Simpsons at times and stuff like that. He could go, he'd have religious ebb and flows where he'd be super hard in the paint and then other times like just so like out of the woodwork like we're partying, you know, like so different. Right. It's what works for.
It's what you rationalize yourself. You didn't like tolerate. Yeah. It's hilarious.
Yeah. So we rented Black Sheep and it's a PG-13 movie and you're only allowed one F word back in the day. I think it's still one F word. You're a rules of PG-13.
One F word. Oh, you get one F bomb and that's it because rated R it. There's two F bombs plus and it gets the, you know, the language rating. Yeah.
So we rented that and they said they were saying like, you know, some swear word or something and the dad walked in while I was going on. He goes, if I hear one more swear word in this entire movie, I'm yanking it out of the VHS player and I was like, oh, no, I don't know. Like he's probably going to hear something at some point. Like I just like the movies.
I'm not really thinking about it. Yeah, you didn't do the stats. You run the numbers. I know I didn't crunch the numbers.
What was I doing? Yeah. While he's in the room during that 30 seconds, the one F bomb in the movie plays and he's like, get it out of there. Get it out.
And I was like, oh my God. Why did you know somebody's super religious people? Why did I know so many? Were you in a religious school?
Oh, yeah. Catholic? Private Christian. Private Christian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, all my friends, I've always lived, I've always lived my life on both sides of the track. Like, I like, so I went to a private Christian school, but then I played soccer with the kids at public school.
So I literally was, you know what I mean? Kind of doing that dance, doing camps. What was the podcast? Don't go with everybody guys.
Don't worry about me. I'm just doing my thing out here. Yeah. You know?
Was there anything that shocked you about the public school soccer kids or were they like doing stuff that you were like, what? Just more so like how they talked about girls and stuff like that was way different. It just like so shockingly different from the way like a private Christian school kids would be like, well, I mean, I'm not comfortable discussing like, you know, but, you know, like, but then you'd always get edgy kids, you know, they would be like, dude, she's got tits or you know what I mean? Like stuff like that.
It's like awkward, like, like you laugh along uncomfortable. Yeah. And then public school kids just they would just say whatever they want. Right.
Right. Yeah. And then they would just say whatever they want. But isn't it like a little bit of a more respectful culture than to have children being more like conscientious about their language?
Well, that's the thing. The private Christian school thing taught me the best manners. You know what I mean? Like with comedy, I think you can use like if you're trying to be offensive, you can use that as a tool rather than just being crass to be crass.
Yeah. Like I really don't swear in my stand up, but I'll paint very graphic visuals. And I feel like it's a more creative way rather because it still happens all the time where people come up to me after a show. For some people, it still matters.
They're like, I appreciate that you don't really swear in your act. I'm like, I was talking about jizzing and stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally.
But it's like trying to not purposely offend somebody and letting them come to you is kind of how I can't see it. I get that. Do you attribute the fact that you had that up, bringing that up to the fact that like when I think about comedians, the picture that comes to mind about male straight guy, comedians is not you. You come off as respectful.
You're in a committed relationship. You have a child. These are all things that like a lot of comedians are like energetically not inviting into their space. Right.
Would you say stereotypically when you think of male comic, you think single bouncing from a relationship to a relationship and never wanting kids kind of thing? Never wanting kids or just when you interface with them, at least as a woman, they are off putting offensive rude. How just from over the years of doing stand up, like in different scenes and stuff, that's like a normal that you find? Yeah, they're just like really like, have this weird ego even with like, yeah, they're just not really kind.
Interesting. I mean, some are, but a lot of men are not in comedy. Yeah, I mean, there's a bad apples of us in the group. Yeah.
Yeah. And like, you did have that upbringing. We're making, I'm joking about it, but it's like, look, you seem, you're nice. I mean, at the end of the day, like a nice and positivity for me is like, I treat that like with a lot of respect.
Like I'm like, if people are nice and they're positive, I usually want them in my life. Totally. You know what I mean? Totally.
They can literally be like somebody who is not even, and this sounds crazy, but they could be not as strong a comic as someone who is a dick and kills. I'm like, I don't want that person in my life. 100%. Like, I just want to be surrounded by good people that's like, they'll figure it out eventually.
Yeah. And if they're hard working and stuff, it's like, okay, it might take them a little bit better, but those are the people that you want to establish relationships long term with, where you're like, I knew that person, when they weren't funny at all, but they were trying really hard and they worked really hard. And now they're one of the greats. It's like, I feel like that happens a lot in comedy where it's like that marathon mentality where the relationships and the hard work eventually pay off.
Yeah. It might not be, you know, like the fastest route, but it's, I think it's the most fulfilling as far as like, surrounding yourself with people who are like good quality people. I totally agree. And it reminds me of Neil Gaiman has a, I don't know for the saying, but he talked about how there's, there's three things you can be in when you're pursuing life in the arts.
And he's like, you can be really good, you can be on time and you can be nice, kind to people and all you need to be successful, successful is to be at least two of those things. And he's like, if you're kind and you show up on time, people will excuse the fact that you're not that great. Wow. He'll show up on time and you're amazing.
People will excuse the fact that you're not that nice. Oh. And if you're kind and you're amazing and you run a little late, you'll be fine. Wow.
Yeah. So just hit two of the three. I mean, that's pretty good advice. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Who's this Neil Gaiman guy? He's an author. He did, um, the fucking the book, what's it called? With Neil Gaiman.
Yeah. No, God, I remember how he looked at me. I remember how Blockbuster smells. Do you?
Yes. There was a very specific plasticy smell. Exactly that American God's, where American God's about the sandman. He wrote Coraline.
Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah. He's famous author.
Okay. Have a look him up. Yeah. Okay.
Check it out. That's my bad. I'm gonna go out. Sorry.
Yeah. Yeah. I had that smell and remember the drop off window where you would like put the movies in this, like that like vagina of the Blockbuster. Put it in a slit.
It felt good. It just comes like the film reel. It's like, oh, what is going on with this? It's like, this is like a woman smoking man.
They're like, don't look at me. Oh my God. Yeah. Wasn't there something kind of relaxing about, for me, I really enjoyed watching the employees rewind the tapes.
Oh, God. Like I would try to remember to rewind. Like usually we were good about rewinding because I was like, be kind of rewind because it wouldn't take them time. But while I was checking out, there's always a girl or guy, like a teenager is like, whoo, I'm just watching.
Like, this is the coolest job. They just get to rewind these tapes all day. I can't believe that. I just remember that that was a thing.
Yeah. Was that a specific device other than like a VHS player that you hit rewind on? Was there like a rewinder? There was.
Yes. There was separate like hardware for the rewinders. Oh my God. Yeah.
My grandma had one that was like twice the speed of your VHS. Whoa. Right. Just cycles it through.
Wow. Your grandma had one. So she was a really rich woman. Yeah.
She had pencil sharpeners too. So. Whoa. Electric.
Nope. She had bolted the wall. One of those metal. Remember that?
In school. Can I go sharpen my pencil? I'm going to sharpen my pencil right now. Oh my God.
That's so accurate. Oh, it's so accurate. Oh my God. Yeah.
I mean you hit that chunk every once in a while. Oh. It started out good. Yeah.
Oh my God. Once in a while your teacher might have like a battery operated on her desk. You just go over there and like jerk it off. Oh yeah.
Oh. Yeah. Yeah. You're like I got four.
Can I do four at once? You might if we go for a minute. Like I got a sharpen all these. Did you ever have that kid in your class that would sharpen it like just because he could like down to the thing.
Like all the way down like he just big. Right. You're like what are you doing Josh? Josh, there's other people in line here.
Yeah. They make it really short and like it's to the point it's like not practical. And you're like dude nobody can write like. I know totally but you want to test the limits on that age.
Oh of course. You still do. You don't see what's possible. You don't see pictures on fire.
Yeah. If the school of fire alarm finally goes off for a practical reason and not a kid pulling it. Oh my remember fire drills? Yeah.
Just going I love them. Just go outside. I didn't like sitting outside. I was one of those people who was just like we're going on an adventure.
Yeah. No, I guess that's fun. It is fun to be like the other alarm goes off and it's like all right it's a drill. Often that they do those.
Well we had um because I'm from Kansas we had tornado drills as well. Did you where did you grow up originally? Connecticut. Connecticut.
Did you have anything that was like not fire? Fire drill. Not fire. School shooting drills.
See we did not have those. Walked down for bombers. Oh yeah. We were at the start of that craziness.
Yeah. That was in two thousand like when I was in high school we were doing lockdowns and that was in like 2009. Okay. What year did you graduate high school?
2011. Gotcha. Because we were class of 2011 we bring hell. I was like the saying that they did.
It goes hard to paint man. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah.
We bring hell. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't bring any hell.
No. You brought a lot of heck. We brought a lot of heck. I remember actually we had an eighth grade on our eighth grade graduation because we were going to high school.
That was our middle school graduation. My entire class actually threw a food fight in the cafeteria. Was it so epic? Like in the movies a food fight.
Everyone just went up and said food fight and everyone stood up and started throwing food. It was insane. How involved did you get? I actually I was so upset that I went to the bathroom.
Hi. Because there was so much food. Yeah. There was so much food.
The whole day was canceled. And they sent us all to the gym and we all had to look at the wall for hours until school and even though you weren't involved in it, every single person in the school. And it's funny because it's not funny but it's interesting the way there's rules in school but they're not laws. But like the teachers are basically allowed to sign off on that handbook because the teachers can do anything to you.
No. There is a little bit of a martial law mentality with teachers. Like there's like hey, we can't legally tell you that you can discipline kids in this way. But like there are some loopholes along the way.
Right? Yeah. I always was when teachers, like that I remember being like, can you really legally make like look at this wall for three hours. Isn't that insane?
They can't touch you, but they can do some weird mental warfare with you. And they do. Did you have any teacher punishment? Ooh, well.
In Christian school? At this church camp I did. That was strange. You're going to hell.
Yeah, well, there's definitely mental warfare all the time with church in that. And it's like if you do this, then you like XYZ. Because I remember as a kid hearing that stuff, like very, very little. Like I'd be like, if you do this, you're going to hell.
And then they would paint the picture of hell, fire and brimstone and all this stuff. So you're like terrified as a little kid. Oh, scary. Oh, no, it's legitimately terrifying.
Because they're like, already your parents are like, you know, if I count to three and you're not over here, then this happens. Okay, that's a logical, like I know what's going to happen. My parents are telling me, but you add a factor of adding a kid's imagination to something mixed with a punishment that you've like, it's a place where no one loves you. And it's a place where you're on fire at all times.
The garage turns back. Yeah. It's in a place. In a world.
Yeah. Where you have no friends. Yeah. Yeah.
Where you say to me, who wants everything? Yeah. So go get two thousand and let him know. We bring hell.
Yeah, we bring hell. Wow. We bring hell as a movie. Yeah.
So what was the punishment though? The punishment was this was like more of like a physical punishment at church camp because I might have gone streaking at church camp. I was a lot of guys back in the day. Some other campers because that was the worst thing you could do at this camp was like show skin.
What? Like no t-shirts? We could wear t-shirts that were supposed to be down to the elbow. And the girls had to wear skirts past the knee to the shin.
That's so Christian it's almost Jewish. It's almost Jewish. That's so religious. That's just me.
Almost Jewish. Wow. And did you have to wear the pants? We weren't allowed to wear shorts pants only.
And the girls had to wear something for sports called Kool-Lots. Have you heard of a Kool-Lots? Like a bag of your capri? Exactly.
Yeah. They're like big, they're giant shorts with like still a separation in them. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Almost like parachute shorts. Right. Yeah.
Wow. That's the funniest thing is like if that's the main thing to not do it's like oh well that's gonna make it then. And you weren't thinking about hell at that point in time. No.
I have this weird thing. This is the comedian inside of me. Like if it's funny I really rationalize stuff. Just like your parents with the movie.
Right. If it's offensive or but it's funny I'm like I kind of rationalize it. Yeah. Or if it's like somebody will be like dude this will be funny.
Like that got me in trouble a bunch in my youth. Like dude this will be hilarious or dude will film it. It'll be hilarious. Like I'm like all right.
You know what I mean? Like that kind of mentality. That's so funny. And what they made us do is they made us clean for hours.
So at first we were cleaning toilets from the other campers all night. Like from like I'm talking about like I want to say one thirty in the morning till like almost five a.m. and like making us lay down on grass and stuff like that. Just like face down on grass.
What? Yup. Weird stuff. After the cleaning.
Before the cleaning they would have us just lay down. They're just like like almost like we were arrested. Like put your hands down. At your size.
Face in the grass. Look down at the grass. For how long? I don't remember.
Yeah. Yeah. And then the kids are like I'm just a cow. I'm just like hmmm.
Yeah. What's that? It's intense. Yeah.
But then they made us clean for hours. The kitchen, the bathrooms and one guy, one counselor was really upset because I had a plunger and I started like making like noises and stuff. I was like yeah. Yeah.
And then he's like this very like very strict guy. So quit being dirty with the plungers. How old were you? I was about to well over thirteen.
Wow. Yeah. I'm surprised you would go there. Like even like being dirty with the plungers.
That seems like it wouldn't have been in your repertoire at that point. I was like I went there like until I was like I want to say fourteen maybe and then that's when I was like yeah I can't do this anymore. And were your parents okay with that? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah for sure. It was one of my grandma. She was the one that was like super religious out of everybody because she was like a pastor's a missionaries wife.
Grandpa was a missionary. Grandpa was a missionary and it came in islands. Yeah. There's a lot going on here.
There's a lot going on here. You're interviewing me a lot on the part which I'm okay with if you're okay with that. Oh I was just interested. I think I get that a lot but I ask a lot of questions.
No no no it's fine. I just want to make sure that I wasn't over talking with you as my guest on. No I was just did your desk already know all this? Some of it but not some of the specifics yeah.
Okay. Yeah. I don't know why this is reminding me of this but my middle school when we were in seventh grade we had a trip called nature's classroom. Nature's classroom okay.
And we would go up seat New York for a week. And the pinnacle of the trip was a reenactment of the Underground Railroad. And what would happen is you would be woken up out of your bed and all told to look down and kind of walk as if we were all chained together. And I think we might have all been holding a rope.
And the teachers would pretend they were slave owners and we were the slaves and they would walk us through fields and we would try and get on these like guys like pickup trucks that they had and these like corn fields and they would like take us to the north. And then finally after like 90 minutes of this we would reach the north and get to run across this field and make it to freedom while teachers tried to catch us and stop us as a reenactment of slavery. And it's since been shut down the program. How's it really?
I know. No. It's insane. It's insane.
Quick question. How diverse was your class? We were all white kids. Oh no.
Oh no. Two black girls. Two black girls. One Latino kid.
Now looking back at that. Do you think how do you think that they do you remember how they reacted to it? Like if they were like okay cool or they were like kind of weirded out by it. I can't really remember.
Yeah. I don't I remember thinking this is strange. Right. This is weird.
I can't believe this is happening. Yeah. But I also didn't have the tools to be like wait this is really inappropriate. The teachers that I trust are like a lot of confidence to speak up like that.
No totally. But I didn't even click into the idea that my teachers could have been misguiding us was like unfathomable. Well that's the whole thing with power dynamics how like with kids and adults like when when bad stuff happens it's that it's like kids don't have that in them. It's like well why would they do something bad or to hurt me?
Yeah. It's that like like why would you have any kind of disbelief if you've only been around like a caring family or something like that. And that's how sometimes kids getting advantage of us because stuff like that where they're like oh I didn't know like I had no idea like I had friends I had a friend who who a couple friends that this happened to an older friend of theirs talk them as kids into giving an older teenager like a blowjob because they're like no every guy does this for other you know like to teach them you know what I mean like what you know what I mean. No.
Okay. Your friends would tell older friends would tell your friends to give other guys blowjobs. To tell them so they got molested you know what I mean boy you're two men boys and boys. Wow.
And what was the purpose of that it was literally I'm just saying like the power dynamic like of people taking advantage of like somebody who's like if your friends are somebody or your family like they're like oh well why would why would that be. Yeah I'm not going to not trust this. Yeah like why would he have any ill intent here and then years later they're processing and they're like oh I got molested. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah it's really I mean it's weird it's like that's really heartbreaking. Oh it's I had a couple friends tell me that like involved in the church that they're like yeah this happened me I was like oh frick this is like crazy. Wow.
That stuff always comes up in church. It does. Oh. Yeah.
It's a it's a running thing especially I mean Catholicism the most see how I'm like like brushing off like I mean ours wasn't as I mean Catholicism they still hold the title. Yeah shut up to Catholicism out there. Holding the belt down. Yeah the loose pan.
Oh god. Yeah yeah crazy. Yeah I was gonna ask him a question I'm holding back so that you can like do your thing I feel. No no if you have another one that's fine I told you before we started podcast it's truly wherever this podcast goes and takes us.
Yeah yeah what was the question. Yeah I forget it now. Oh see I shouldn't have said that I shouldn't have shouldn't put that out there. I was getting self-conscious about like me hogging time.
You hogging time on your podcast? Yeah. How's that a thing? I see some podcast where the host doesn't know how to listen and it drives me crazy as a listener.
Oh all right. They interrupt their guests and I'm like dude it's your guest like we see you every week. Yeah I hear you. I want to learn about howly.
Okay. Like that's my that's where the self-conscious thing came by. Got it got it. Not out of you not out of me being like oh she's never a lot of questions.
I told that to me being like I just don't want to be that guy we're like we get it. No no no not the experience. Yeah yeah. But we met originally at a very diverse show.
Do you remember which show this was? Laura Sogar's show? Yeah that's right. We met it was like in the back of a drag bar.
Yeah. Yeah that's right. Yeah. What was happening there?
I forget. Some show that was going on they had like a DJ there. Yeah there was a drag show going on behind us. Yeah so inside it was like thumping music but then you went outside and it was like an amazing comedy show.
Yeah I remember that. That was pre-pandemic. No is it height of pandemic? The height of the pandemic was forming up the drag show.
Yes. Yeah. I visited New York in November during the pandemic. Mmm.
November of 2020. Wow I uh that's a risky time to visit. Oh no it was. Mmm.
I can't believe the pandemic has been going on for this long. I mean yeah. It's like pretty wild. Over it.
I know I know. I know. Yeah I don't like the shows outside in New York like especially around then it's just too cold I get really miserable. I had to um even just visiting I was like man these New Yorkers are going hard like this is like I'm legit freezing right now.
Yeah it's too cold. And outside show um Soul Joel's amazing venue on the east coast. One of theirs was outside with heating lamps and they had me on one of the colder nights it was there. Yeah mid set I had to sit down next to the floor heaters to warm my feet up because my feet were getting so cold.