Google 4.13 says That My best days are ahead of thee I don't think I've ever really met somebody who is the guy in the video game Do you know what I mean? Once I saw it all put together and I saw it and I saw it and played the whole game all the way through But I've seen about 30-40 minutes of gameplay, I'm like Ohhh It's impressive I love you I love you I love you You were running Ohh Running with the night You mean That sounds good 1980 synthesizers? Yeah You can fire that up a little bit A little line of energy right? Do a little line of energy here?
Do you plan for me? I dabble Guitar I dabble with Yeah I need to get back on the plane and work my cows back up and muscle strength going Yeah when I shed that layer of skin I always feel guilty like Ahh It's like not wearing a cuddle What a cuddle What a cuddle What am I doing? I'm having no protection And it hurts It hurts so bad But when I first moved out I was playing a lot of guitar acoustic And wrote a few songs Really? I got really faded one night I was having a bad night in LA That night's in LA It was in the early 2000s This place was Maca And wrote a couple songs and one of them was like a country western song They came out I don't know where it came from But it channeled through in 15 minutes Really?
It just poured out lyrics Versus chorus, bridge, out and I went back and read it And I went back and read it and mixed it and all of the shit All of the shit and I was like God damn it was it And it was crazy I went back and listened to it and checked it out and I went I have no idea why this song came to me But at some point in this career of mine I'm going to get to use it And I will not be surprised if it's the thing that Or one of the things that gets me some kind of ridiculous recognition I've yet to use it It's a great song It's gonna piss people off Okay There's a certain segment of the population is gonna piss off And I'm okay with that But it's a really It's called Three Red Packs Three Red Packs And a bottle of Jack Three Red Packs That sounds like a country, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Pretty damn good I was surprised One of these days I'm going to actually put it out And I used to be in a gospel choir I did and that's one of the reasons why this song is People were like, wait a minute, didn't she used to be? It was at a point in time in my development spiritually Where I was at a crossroads Crashing with what I was raised on And beginning to explore a different way of looking at that Well, how religious did you grow up? If you're in a gospel choir, probably fairly religious Fairly like 80% religious, you know? I had like the percentage 80% of the time, you know?
80% of the time I was like all in But I was never the one that was so all in That I just was like Is that existed in religion? In the Southern Baptist Brand? I kind of always was the one that This was me I would get done with gospel choir rehearsal And then it would be about nine o'clock On maybe a Tuesday? Yeah, Tuesday night I think it was And I was a dude that I'd be walking out Like hugging folks and saying, oh, this is a great rehearsal I can't wait till Sunday's gonna be amazing Reaching my pocket, break out my hoop earrings Pop them in and my homie would pick me up and we'd go hit the club Okay, yep So, like I was there for the Lord I was, but at the same time I was moving through, but they knew I was in some hoes That we dealt with, right?
You know, some jazz bells in the club and you could be dealt with So I had to go meet me, I had to serve, please why? To inspire them And so I was always finding myself on that That fine line of trying to live, sanctify Holy life, but at the same time Trying to live a whole life and have fun Right And fun one out for the most part But there's always been something, a program in the back of my mind Kind of keeping me on course I'm more on course now than I ever have been Did you ever show up to church slightly hung over? Girl, don't give me snarches Yeah, I mean, I probably would get like If you're gonna find a star on the dog at that point There were a few times that I'd show up and be like, yeah, I need it Yeah, I need it, I need it, let me get to Let me set this up a little bit Let me get to one, yeah Here are the dogs You're eating all the crackers It's bad But I was 20, you know, that was what? 21 through 30 I stopped, yeah I stopped going right around 30 Cause I was like, you know what, let me just go live my life You know what, I mean, whatever this is Let me just go live my life and do my thing And if I come back to it, great, if I don't, great I always wanted to be famous That's like, I always wanted to I always wanted to hit you I always wanted to be, I always wanted somehow to be big Right, right, right Like not branding, I don't understand those words Then, but I always knew that I was destined to do something That was on a bigger platform Sure And so when I was in this gospel choir, I was always like, man, we're really good Why are we just here?
Yeah, is nobody seeing this right now? No, seeing what's cracking? Like, this is great music, I can direct my ass off People, I got the whole congregation, I got people that can't stand up standing up Right? Yeah, right, he's in rocking and doing anything, falling out And I'm like, okay, and having fun, cause I love music I just love being a part of what local register are you?
And then I was a tenor Back then, when I say tenor, I mean like, the Fred Ham and Crankland tenors that were, they hit them ridiculous notes And I can't hit those anymore, but I'm now probably a baritone Okay, wait a minute, I know this song Do you? Are you making this up? Sounds familiar Just playing a few chords right now A couple chords, you got those majors in there, and some like, thirtaints Alright, now we're gonna take y'all back Yes Right down to the waters of Jericho There's no waters of Jericho, just waters I shouldn't be playing around like this Where do you take it? I'm taking it from reserve I shouldn't be playing around I love the character of a gospel director that's slightly Just slightly Just making tweaks and stuff like these little tip scenes He's a little lit, you know what I mean?
It's like, alright, congregation Uh, we want y'all to come together Look at your neighbor in the same neighborhood I had a good day Tomorrow will be better Then yesterday Google 413 says The best days are ahead of thee And low I just love that word, and low On the way I came from, but like, whenever you watch Moses or the Ten Commandments Yeah, they always use that phrase And low, the angel of the Lord It was always, and low, and I'm like, who's there low? Yeah, a little John's like, but I don't know So we say, and low And low, do we start? I feel like we might start? Oh no, we're in This is a free flowin Go wherever we want to Alright, you know, tomorrow Sunday So, y'all get y'all pannies I like the idea of the piano That we haven't started recording yet, and they're like, let me down this road Let me down this road I mean, I grew up in the church too, and I mean, so much of my family's life is that, you know, that duality Yeah, I think most people who are in church Yes Really are trying to find, what's my balance?
What's my balance? That I don't feel too guilty about Where the rest of my life, I'm not feeling like a horrible person Yeah, absolutely Yeah, guilt drove me for so long I mean, it's such a huge thing with religion It hangs over you, they use it as a tool Oh, it's the hook, it's the hook Look, people can believe whatever they want, I really don't care Yeah, whenever I roll into any belief system Where the hook is guilt, if you don't have that guilt, then you don't have no power Over people's emotional stability and what they do with their life Then you don't have no power, and I firmly believe, and this is just from my past experiences I firmly believe they're, I don't really buy into the whole devil stuff I finally got to a poor woman Oh, that doesn't really make sense, right? I'm not a very, very specific understanding of things But with that said, I believe that there are more folks that are scared of the devil Or Satan, and like in ancient Hebrew, Satan was a shaytan Which meant crazy thought, well that's a whole different sermon More people are afraid of what might happen if they don't believe Yes, then they are actually coming from their full heart believing in something A safety net, a false A safety net, yeah, like they say Falmo Or a false fear of hell I don't know what to owe to the fear of having out Fear of helling out, fear of helling out, right? So I mean, and it's not a nog, it's just if it's used as a tool to keep you in fear We know what fear looks like when it's propagated Yeah, and how it can sway people into believing one thing or another So you don't believe in Satan, do you believe in demons or ghosts or supernatural stuff like that?
I don't believe in demons and ghosts I do believe that when the physical body breaks down and the energy that's animating it leaves it I do believe that that energy's gone somewhere And I do believe that it's possible that that energy could get stuck in between this physical form Yeah, and the next form of energy that we may not be able to see And in Iraq, I've had too many experiences and too many moments where I've felt the presence of family members Where I've felt a hand moving things in my life and in my career protecting me Usually protecting me or even nudging me not to go down a certain road And it's always the times where I ignore it and go down a road And I'm like, oh that's what they were trying to tell me So I don't, I believe that we are all energy And I don't believe energy can be created to destroy these effects And I used to have this philosophy, it's real simple If I cut off my pinky, do I die? If I cut off my hand, do I die? If I cut off my arm, do I die? And I started going through the whole body and I went, you know, the truth of the matter is There are vital organs in the body that keep this physical form rolling But if your spirit is not in your pinky, then it cannot be in your brain and your heart Those have to just be vital parts of the physical carbon machinery that keep you going And then once that disconnects, whatever is actually animating us right now has to go somewhere So if I can't be one physical body part, then I can't be any body part You dig it?
Okay. Like I can't, if I can cut off my hand and I'm still going, right? But my spirit doesn't live in my hand and I cut off my head I may not still physically keep going, right? But my spirit energy has to go somewhere, it has to be in something And it can't be in any one body part because we know people that are alive without a brain Like they got a brain stem and they're there, right?
Yeah. You got people that have portions of a heart and they're there, they're f- They may not f- like we do, but they're there. They're in the physical form. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So all I'm getting at is, if you can't take one piece of it, then no piece of it is what you are. You're something more than that. So you have to be more than this flesh, this brain, this heart, you have to be something more And once that disconnects, I don't know what happens to it. I don't know where it goes, but I know we're more than that than we are this.
Okay. That's all. That's kind of profound. That was kind of deep, but that's what happens when the woodford gets flowing.
Hey man, I dig it, I dig it. Light, light, light, light, light conversation for a- Hey, do you know what I love about this podcast? It goes, it can go as silly as we want, or it can go as profound as we want. That's what, it's very freeform, very much where we want to take.
Right, you know. When I met you, so we haven't known each other really crazy amount of time. No, no, we're still getting to know each other. But I got to say, so the way that Jason and I met was through our wives, they were they met randomly at a restaurant locally to where we live.
Yep. And they hit it off. They both had baby strollers. You guys talking?
Yep. And my wife doesn't ask me very often to do the double date thing or the couples thing. So she's like, I really want us to go out with T.O. and her husband.
Right. And I was like, you know, I'm sure you've met that situation. It's always weird. It's always weird because you're like, you know, you might be hitting it off with your friend, like the husband thing.
It might not click at all. It's kind of like the kids may be friends. Exactly. And I was like, yeah, we don't have to be friends just because our kids are friends.
Yeah, just drop them off. Yeah, we good. Well, exchange. That happened to my mom.
That happened to me in high school. Really? One of my close friends, no, no, no, I don't, yeah, I won't say names. One of my close friends in high school.
Me and him were buddies. I was friends with his brother. Like the three of us made each other laugh constantly. And you know, my parents are very outgoing.
My mom is very outgoing. My dad's a little more reserved. And I think we were at a sporting event of some sort, probably track, I think. And their mom, my mom and their mom, my mom started to try and chum it up with their mom.
And their mom was like, you know, we don't have to be friends just because our kids are. Just straight up, straight up to her face. My mom was like, oh, okay, I can support that. Stop talking to her.
Yeah. All good. Fast forward something hit the fan at one point. And someone needed a pickup.
Like, could you pick the boys up and try? She's like, oh, well, we remember when you saw me that we don't have to be friends because our sons are friends. I don't have to pick your child up just because our sons are friends. My mom clapped back.
My mom was like, well, hold on to the shit. Oh, yeah. And then clapped back and she was, she was not happy. But I'm like, you know, don't be rude.
But sometimes some folks just think they say whatever they want. Yeah. Every once in a while, I appreciate brutal honesty. Like I did an audition once.
Where? You auditioning this time? Everyone's in a while. I did an audition once before I left the room.
Yeah. You didn't get it. It's like, thank you. Thank you for just, I am.
Thank you for letting me know. Such a fan. Tell me yes. Tell me no, but tell me something quick.
Right. I was like, great. That's way better than going out of there thinking, man, I killed it. And then like, hinging hope on stuff?
Absolutely. It's draining. Like, hey, wait, was lifted off my shoulders as I left out. And I go, that's awesome.
I didn't get it. Yeah. I can go on about my day and not give a rip. Exactly.
Oh, I wish more people were honest in this time. I wish it was too, but there's too many crazy people. They're like, no, no, give me another shot. It's like, yeah, that's true.
That is true. When people get like real super neat and desperate and they cling to that thing. I've got it. I swear.
No, no, I can do it again. Do y'all want me to try to say it or angry? I can cry on cue. No, we good.
It's a um, I can make myself throw up. They're like, what? We good? We good?
I love it. It's like, this is way too much. It's a little too much that's not what we're going for. It's crazy.
I'm wired to be really honest. I'm a Virgo. I grew up in a military family. I was always the young guy that would see what was happening in front of people and just call it out for what it is.
And would blow up certain situations and just blow up people dating with other people and knowing full weather, they didn't like each other or he didn't like her. I called out, man, that stuff blew up my face so much. And I realized, oh, people don't want to hear the truth. A lot of people don't.
They really don't want to hear the truth. They want to live in a false reality that makes them feel, I don't want to say that makes them feel whatever positive affirmation they want. Whatever version of themselves that they want to be seeing? Whatever version they want to be seeing.
I'm the one that goes, yeah, but no, because you really can't sing. No, I get it. You spent all this money. Yeah.
The lessons you did, the things. Producers sessions. Yeah. Your throat sounded like a carburetor fell out of it.
That ain't it. That ain't it. It's not. It's not.
And I got to L.A. and it was really weird because everybody, not everybody. A lot of people like to live in this bubble of false. It's only safe, okay?
Right? Safeness, seriously? Like just like I don't want to be in the safe space. I don't.
I don't. I only want to know so much, okay? Yeah. I'm here to blow your shit up.
Listen, don't tell me too much, okay? Yeah. Look, so the role calls for a character with a deep voice and you don't have it. But I could put on.
No. I could put on. We don't want you. I could put on a deeper voice.
Yeah. I know of, I can't remember his name, but you ain't him either. Okay. Well, you know, I'm really good with direction.
I just told you that you can't do this and you still trying to go down the road up. Do this. You can't take direction either. Well, I would be willing to take direction if you were willing to guide me a little bit more.
Have you ever thought of your direction as a director? Your skills may not be a depart. You could be right. But I am directing this project, this new media project, which means I'm in charge and you not.
So I'm going to be the one to tell you that you need to go take classes. Okay. Well. You know what?
It's people like you that ruin this place for other people. Pretty sure it's the people that drive cars and try to do too much. They ruin the atmosphere of this place that make it bad. No, no, no.
It's people like you that tear people's dreams down and don't care about their well-being whatsoever that I have a problem with. I'm trying to save you with the heartache. I'll waste the next 15 years of your life to only get to the end of that 15 years and be right where you are today. I'm going to prove you wrong.
Right. And then I'm going to call you up and I'm going to be like, oh, hey, Mr. New Media Director. Pull out your phone.
My phone number is? Okay. I don't know. You've never had that emo song.
Seriously? Nah. Sorry. Nope.
There must have been back during my gospel days. I would be fun to test you at me naming different pop punk or emo bands. Pop punk. And see if you have heard of them.
Pop punk or pop punk. Emo, like comma. Pop comma. It's like pop punk slash emo or pop.
So they're all that's like one cat. It's kind of lumped in because true emo is more specific to a certain group of bands. Got it. But like pop punk slash emo is like something that kind of went mainstream.
Okay. You know? Are these derivatives or offshoots or are the roots of pop punk emo? I mean, 80s new wave.
Probably. Because I lived 80s new. I mean, okay. Everybody's going to be inspired by like the cure and you know what I mean?
Like that's that's a great example of like, okay, they're derivative of like show me show me show me show me how they do that. You know, you know, and then like, but they're like, okay, that, we're going to bring it out and make it more muddy and make it more dirty and make it more dirty and make it more dirty and make it more dirty and make it more dirty and make it more dirty and we're going to put on eyeliner. Okay. We're going to maybe do a little cutting on a wrist.
I'm going to do a little pilot. I'm not a pet crow. And that was not the 80s. But yeah, I get where that came from.
I see how they took that and fused it with like a hardcore punk. And a little bit of it sounds like a little bit of touch grunge. Sure. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Those are the news like those are the genres of my generation, you know, because I'm all gen X.
Yeah. Like all gen X. And it's either new wave hip hop like no, not even hip hop rap like full on. Who are your favorite rappers?
I just love iced tea his first few albums. Um, old school like Curtis Blow. Cause I'm Curtis Blow when I want to know the breaks. Give it up.
Like those were rap lyrics back then. That's what a her up would work. But that's all thing. Um, but anytime they're saying hotel motel holiday and you know, it's a good rap song.
You know, it's a good rap song early. Early. Like the first got our memory when bad dropped. I was a sophomore in high school and I was in Germany.
So you know, yeah, my dad was military. So we were in Germany in the 80s. And so we had a disconnect with mainstream music. We had a disconnect with mainstream TV.
We were three years behind in TV, but we were current in music. So music would get over to us. And one person would get the cassette tape. The cassette, a cassette tape is.
This is for the viewers. I grew up with cassette tapes. So anybody that doesn't know what cassette tape is. It's a little tiny little y'all seeing Guardians of the Galaxy.
Oh, there you go. That's a perfect reference point. Same y'all this explain. Yeah.
So we would get the cassette and we would just bump it. Like somebody who had a boom box and we bump it. And I remember all of us sitting there with a piece of paper and a pad playing, hitting play, rewind, play, rewind, play rewind to learn the lyrics to El cool J's bad. You know, I used to do the, the you'd appreciate.
So I used to have one of those stereo cassette players. They were the dual. Oh, real to real. With, it was like a Sony set up where they had like two speakers and had the two cassette.
Absolutely. Like a little green dash, little wood grain, little piece of metal that was wood grain. My brother and I would wait up real late throughout the night because sometimes we'd play new like hit songs on the radio and sort of that. And we would wait and wait and wait for that song to come around and then record right from the radio.
Right. I'd look at that. Before download and the ripping things you were ripping it from FM radio. Right off the airway.
Yes. Oh, it looks like some clacks on the sound. And it made you feel like you accomplished something. You caught it in time.
You'd get it at perfect right after the DJ would introduce it. It was the best. So similar experience. We were like 85 through 88 that we were in Germany and case of caseums.
Top 40. Case of case. Case of case. Top 40.
We come on every day, every Sunday at like two o'clock in the afternoon. Yep. And you know, we're way ahead in time, like 10 hours ahead in time in Germany. West Germany.
Back when the wall was up. And West Germany born in Germany. He's on the playground. Most of the days.
She went out to have some of the full in and some people outside the school. A couple of fries. We're having a good time. We're having a trouble in my board.
In my neighborhood. I had one little war in my pocket. She said you're moving with your uncle in the bed. In Eigleberg.
I do think so. It's a little hot for this. I get terrible German accent, but that was fun. I do a segment on the show called Wig.
Oh, yeah. And I have a couple of wigs that I kind of want to be back in 1980s Germany with you. I was brought my old improv gig, my sketch gig back. I would have loved that.
I should have brought it. I would have loved that. I was like, do I bring this? Because I got all kinds of stuff in there from back when I was doing this sketch all the time.
I'm rusty as hell, but it's there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean shit.
Yes, wait. Wait. I don't know what you want to do. But I know that I love you.
I want to take you up and have a drink. I want to come home and wash your sick. I don't know. But I love you.
I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.
I love you. I've been thinking for so long about you every night. I don't know if I can ask you how I'm a. I might.
What's your number? What's your telephone? Give me your number. I would appreciate it if you gave it to me before snobber.
What you gonna do? I don't know what you're gonna say. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know. But I love you. I love you. I love you.
I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you.
I love you. I love you. That was case cases. I feel like we're really getting somewhere.
We put on our American voices when we sang it and stuff. I feel like we're very close to being as good as the Randiran. You sang so? Oh, absolutely.
I know you're hungry as a wolf. I'm right now. I really go for pizza. I'm gonna shake it right now.
I could go for a YouTube right now. You too? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah? I feel like we're really close to getting on the radio out here. I truly believe that we will be on the air and be at the top of case cases soon. I would love to be on the top of case cases.
The boss of case cases will be honestly anything but good for me even as a mid-roost. But we will need a name. That is a very good point. It cannot no longer be you and I.
Did you stop doing this with your hands? It is getting into my eyes. It's quite uncomfortable. It's the hairstyle that you chose, okay?
It is a look that is not good for my spirit. I know, but you're wanting to be the front man of this band, yah? Yeah. Okay.
Does it start acting like it? Okay, pause. Yes? Yes, yes.
Okay, fine. You live your best life. I will live my best life. Okay, so what is the name that is recomfits?
I'm quite certain that me and Lily did not have these kind of issues when they were forming themselves, yeah? No, but they had like makeup people and they had like a big crew. Like we're in our garage right now trying to come up with these sick beats. They are the greatest group that ever come out of Germany, yeah?
I mean, you are the really good, yeah. There's people that are inspiring for me and you to look up to, yeah. They just don't understand why you have to be such a climbing flushing. Okay, you did not use that language for my name.
The last time that I heard that was when my father left my mother years ago. Okay, I don't know. You know that that's a trickle of earth for me? My horse?
Yes, Peter. You do not have to always invoke your mother and your father, yeah? Maybe I do, okay? Maybe it's coming from a hard-fed place.
Your cold heart is locked out every other motion. Oh, are you speaking through the xylophone again? Really? Your cold heart blocks out the emotion.
Did you just come up with a title for a new album? I know album. It is so brilliant. It's really good.
I love this. Your cold heart blocks out the emotion. Your cold heart blocks out the emotion. Is that dark?
It is really dark. This is a good thing I'll look at. Are there songs? Should we do the face for the album cover right now?
Certainly. Okay, in three, two, one. It is pretty good. This is good.
Yeah, it's a really nice. Can I go with it when we sync up? First we are going into fighting. Do you know we are doing it?
Do we have a title? We have a title. You know it turns into lovers, turns into a friend. Do you know friendships for life?
Friendships for life, I feel like. Good. It's good. Do I feel like we have a hit song?
Do you ever think we will ever get to leave in-go to the best? I hope we get to go to the states when it is this. I would love to just go to West Germany. Really?
There's all your spiders just go to the West side of Germany? Yeah. I mean... Dieter...
Aim bigger! Okay, friend? I am aiming big. Like, even bigger.
Do you know how many people have died and perished trying to get apart? Get across the West... Checkpoint Charlie? Do you know...
Oh, I like this. Let me find it, let me find it. Let me find it, let me just take a moment. Take a moment, take a moment.
You're going to use some hand saniters. Shut up, shut up. I'm gonna try to find this. Oh, you're almost at it.
You're almost at it. Oh... Ah-ah-ah-ah. I don't think that one's us coming across the Charlie.
They want us to stay here forever. But the vote will be free. We want to be free. We want to go.
As the church for Charlie. We're just part to be afraid. You and me. We're just part to be free.
I say you and me. Data and cows. Forever is the data. I would maybe like it to go further.
But data always says we're just friends. And we are always just friends. Because it's not possible to believe. We took it to another dimension.
But we could just leave it as it is. Right here and now. I just want to be free. With you and me.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Let me be free. You and me. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. This is very cool. Two hit songs now. This is two.
We are on a rose as they say in the vest. Yes, it's not true. But this meeting I feel like it's been really good. We already have two hit songs.
So I guess I'll see you maybe tomorrow. We will rehearse then. Is that okay? Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Oh, wow.
That is French for good. You're so new age. You're using some French as a gem. Super French.
I love you. It is great to see you again, Klaus. All right. Bye, Peter.
You know, I've not gone like full character. Like full dive in and so long. How do I feel? Awkward.
It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. The feel of play is still there.
Right. But knowing what to do and knowing how to just sit in it. Yeah. And just be like, I know everything.
Yeah. From this character. Yeah. Yeah.
It is weird because it's rusty. I haven't done it in since 2009. I haven't really actively been in this yet. Was it the last time you were like at Second City around then?
Yeah. Actively. Yeah. I mean, I've always popped in and out.
Yeah. But where I was taking classes or I was doing shows between either IO or Second City. 2009. I did the CBO showcase.
Yeah. And it was a full-on sketch. It's a big deal now then. It wasn't.
But Aria Rethas was in my cast who just was on SNL for the season. Ginger Gonzaga was on Shegulk. We were all like, those are my people. Yeah.
And it was crazy how deep we went, Colton done. Like we were all class for like six months. Yeah. Creating and just coming up with whatever sketches we could.
And it was an intense experience. And it didn't go as well for me. It always happens. There's always somebody where one or two people where it's just not going to play out that great.
And it for me, I was that guy. It didn't play out that fantastically for me. But it was one of the best times in my life, one of the hardest times in my life. Because you know, you're climbing and you want that opportunity.
Of course. That break. Of course. And what's crazy is after years of it being long on past, you now realize that you are the break.
I know. Like it doesn't matter what platform you are, what you're doing, whose sprinkles pixie dust on you. So it's a hard mental state to dig in. I think you got almost all of it.
Do one more. Do one more. It's been a long time since I've had as much blonde here. I'm telling myself.
There we go. Looking sharp again. Looking sharp again. Better round than that same tank named early 2000s.
Early 2000s. Yeah. Oh, so what I was going to say, the long story of me, us essentially we went on a double date with our wives. Right.
I was so relieved. Nice callback. How cool you were. Like you.
Do you know what I mean? No, I appreciate that. Because I have done this with some other couples. Yeah.
And it's always like, I think the real talk factor, you and I hit it off right away with that, is because we weren't like, I don't even know how to describe it. When somebody is just being direct with you versus, you're like, oh, there's like a thickness is going on here. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, we're still going to know each other.
But I think we're the type of people that just present ourselves. It's like, this is me. Take it or leave it. If you don't, fine.
On to the next one. On to the next. It ain't going to affect me. I ain't going to lose no sleep over it.
This is just what it is. And because I'm tight. I think you're sick of some tight force. Because I'm not tight.
Yeah. Slick of it. Slick of it. Yeah.
I'm just, you know, growing up in the military, as in a military family, you know, and always reach back to the touchstones of my life. That kind of taught me how to engage people for the first time. Yeah. When you're the new kid all the time, like every three years, you're the new kid, you learn, oh, I can't present a false version of me.
And I've done that trying too hard. I've done that. I did that when I first moved to LA. Guilty.
Just it was not good. Yeah. Yeah. But once you realize that your authentic self is enough to drop your glen or repel them and be okay with the repel, if that's part of it.
Oh, no, no. I think that's a big, just the way I conduct myself with my comedy and everything. It's just polarizing. It's just what it is.
So like, I have people who dig it and I'm super grateful. And then there's people that are like, why won't this guy be authentic? I'm like, I am being authentic, but you can accept that I'm a big thing that I'll give feedback on is like, this dude fake glass all the time. Can you imagine being in a world where you're having such a good time that you're being so present in the moment that you're actually enjoying yourself that much?
That's how I try to live my life. Right. And some people like to hate on that. I'm like, you know what?
That's fine. Right. That's, you know, you deal with your own thing. Right.
But yeah, absolutely. I did at one school that I went to. I tried too hard, too quick. Mm-hmm.
And it just was bad, bro. It was just, you know, people snout on you. Oh, you, they snout on you feel it? Of course.
It's so obvious. It's trying and you put it on. Hey, guys. Oh, it's so bad.
Then, you know, there were times where I remember doing it being a little too overly excited about my early sketch day as being too overly excited about what I do on the stage. And having my challenge was this. I always had this thing in my brain that thought whatever it is I'm doing is really a big deal. Yeah.
And so I would kind of act like it was a big deal. Sure. And places and spaces where it really wasn't. But I also was letting people gas me because I just didn't have any framework.
I didn't know. There's no reference. There was no reference point. So because I had no reference point, and this was one of the first things I was ever doing.
And I was like, oh, wow. I'm actually doing the thing that I said I was going to come out here and do. I'm doing it this way and people are making a big deal out of it. Oh, it must be a big deal.
It's a big deal to me. It feels great. Oh my god. Oh, this is the thing.
Because I was on that juice, it would just come off and just reek of inauthenticity. Yeah. And one writer popped in my bubble early on. And was like, relax, man.
It's not that funny. And I went, I wonder why he's I didn't get offended. I went I wonder why he said that. I was able to step back in the course of that year in anything that I was going into and go, is this really a big deal?
Yeah. Or is it just getting some attention right now? It's getting attention right now. OK, I can sit back and relax.
And now I can just I can instead of me worrying about the finish line of the sprint, I can just go, oh, it's a marathon. I'll these are checkpoints along the way. One of the best harshest notes that I ever got was from a grounding teacher. And he goes, I'm going to be honest, you're good enough for me to pass you, but you won't learn if if I pass you right now.
He goes, your problem is not the comedy or the skill set to improvise or do characters, which is a lot of people's when they come into the groundlings is we're having to shape them of getting their skill level up to be comfortable, seamlessly going into these characters and all that. That's not your issue. He goes, you want it too bad. Bad.
You reek of it. That. And I was like, what? He goes, every time you go up, I can tell how bad you want to kill and you want those laughs.
He goes, you need to work on that and I'm not going to pass you. That's a great coach. It was it was it was one of those moments. It was it was a defining moment in my comic career.
I was so pissed at the time. I'm like, well, you know what I mean? Why is that not a good thing? And then, you know, it's like, of course, it's something that I still to this day constantly, he goes, you need to zen.
Absolutely. He goes as soon as he goes as soon as you figure that out, he goes, you're going to start booking everything. But when you come into a room the way that you come into my room every week, he goes, you're not going to book anything. It's true.
And I was like, whoa, it's true. Yeah. I wanted to I thought that everything was going to be I thought everything was my big break. I came into LA with this sense of being discovered wanting to be discovered.
Well, I think that that's a it's a an illusion to a lot of people and it's a trap to a lot of people who who move out here from whether you're especially if you don't have family or any context like what you're saying, no reference point for people in the industry how they works out here. The discover word is huge. Huge. It's been an ongoing joke with my mom and I now over the years where like I'll be doing a random gig like, you know, in the middle of nowhere doing a stand up gig.
She goes, I think you're going to get discovered tonight. Just like that kind of thing. Right. She's like, this is the night.
You've been working hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. And that's the thing like when and to that point part of the challenge was, you know, improv was very much the thing where I went in. If I don't know how to if I can't learn how to use myself, what's the script going to do for me, right? Sure.
So I went that route. Yeah. I started in stand up like early on I started going down the stand up road and Rizowski said, look, these are two completely different comedic disciplines. You need to pick one.
Yeah. Because you're he's a Jason. You're gifted. You have something.
I don't know what, but you have something. I don't know if you have the discipline to be able to study both at the same time, because they're in opposition of each other. Right. And you need to pick one and go down that road and whichever one you pick will be the right one for you.
And you can always migrate to the other one once you get proficient. But don't try to learn stand up and sketch at the same time for you. Right. Because you want this, you want something to you want to be the funny guy all the time.
Right. Right. So you're trying too hard. And you're going to go on a stage and try too hard.