EPISODE · Aug 5, 2026 · 28 MIN
Karen Martin: Five Conversations Over 20 Years
from Lean Blog Interviews: Real-World Lean Leadership Conversations in Healthcare and Beyond · host Mark Graban
Karen Martin has joined this podcast five times since 2012. For our 20th anniversary series, we pulled together highlights from all five conversations: clarity versus ambiguity, why value stream mapping needs directors and above in the room, the pattern behind claims that Lean is dying, and the three rules of quality at the source. Karen is founder and CEO of TKMG and TKMG Academy, and author of The Outstanding Organization, Value Stream Mapping, and Clarity First, among other books. Episode page with links and more
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For our 20th anniversary series, we revisit five conversations with Karen Martin spanning 2012 to 2024. Highlights cover clarity versus ambiguity, why value stream mapping requires senior leadership involvement, the recurring pattern behind claims that Lean is dying, and the discipline of quality at the source.
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